odyssyus Posted Wednesday at 05:12 PM #26 Share Posted Wednesday at 05:12 PM 2 hours ago, aborgman said: My point is that while Carnival is perfectly within their rights to prevent you from bringing it on board, they are making false statements about WHY you aren't allowed to bring it on. You shouldn't bring it on because it may be contminated with THC which is federally illegal? Absolutely true. You shouldn't bring it on because it is illegal in SOME of the ports visited by Carnival? Absolutely true. You shouldn't bring it on because it is against Carnival policy/rules? Absolutely true. It's against Carnival rules BECAUSE it is federally illegal? Absolutely false. It's against Carnival rules BECAUSE it's illegal in ALL ports they visit? Absolutely false. Don't bring it on your cruise. There, fixed it for you. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kalmich Posted Wednesday at 10:13 PM Author #27 Share Posted Wednesday at 10:13 PM Thanks everyone. I'm convinced. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare notscb Posted Wednesday at 11:16 PM #28 Share Posted Wednesday at 11:16 PM 8 hours ago, aborgman said: It's against Carnival rules BECAUSE it's illegal in ALL ports they visit? Absolutely false. Is your problem with the word "all" here? If it said "many" would that make it true for you? Either way, it's Carnival's policy and foreign ports take this kind of stuff very seriously, especially from American tourists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare aborgman Posted Thursday at 01:19 AM #29 Share Posted Thursday at 01:19 AM 2 hours ago, notscb said: Is your problem with the word "all" here? If it said "many" would that make it true for you? Either way, it's Carnival's policy and foreign ports take this kind of stuff very seriously, especially from American tourists. That wouldn't make it "true for me". It would make it true instead of false. They'd still be making the false claim that it is federally illegal though. It's a habit for Carnival... Like the choice not to serve Cheers the 1st day out of certain ports being described as prevented by state law when it isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geckoaz Posted Thursday at 01:52 AM #30 Share Posted Thursday at 01:52 AM (edited) Grandma took her gummy bears. Dog found them and grandma got denied boarding and no refund. Bears vs dogs..dogs won.. game over. Sea hair..who.cares. Edited Thursday at 01:55 AM by geckoaz Complete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare BlerkOne Posted Thursday at 05:19 AM #31 Share Posted Thursday at 05:19 AM 6 hours ago, notscb said: Is your problem with the word "all" here? If it said "many" would that make it true for you? Either way, it's Carnival's policy and foreign ports take this kind of stuff very seriously, especially from American tourists. I think the issue is hair splitting that no amount of CBD can cure. 🙂 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
staceyglow Posted Thursday at 04:14 PM #32 Share Posted Thursday at 04:14 PM 10 hours ago, BlerkOne said: I think the issue is hair splitting that no amount of CBD can cure. 🙂 You win the internet today! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare sparks1093 Posted 17 hours ago #33 Share Posted 17 hours ago Since Carnival can ban whatever it wants for whatever reason it wants to I don't see what difference it makes what explanation they give for it- it's banned and that is all a passenger needs to know. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare aborgman Posted 16 hours ago #34 Share Posted 16 hours ago 1 hour ago, sparks1093 said: Since Carnival can ban whatever it wants for whatever reason it wants to I don't see what difference it makes what explanation they give for it- it's banned and that is all a passenger needs to know. Carnival can largely ban anything they want for any reason - I just find their repeated need to lie about their reasoning for things... intriguing. They don't need to give any reason as justification. They can easily give the true reason as justification... So why make stuff up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare sparks1093 Posted 16 hours ago #35 Share Posted 16 hours ago 5 minutes ago, aborgman said: Carnival can largely ban anything they want for any reason - I just find their repeated need to lie about their reasoning for things... intriguing. They don't need to give any reason as justification. They can easily give the true reason as justification... So why make stuff up? Since the website is largely written by marketers I would say marketing. But are they actually "lying"? I looked at the FAQ and it says this: "While certain CBD products used for medicinal purposes may be legal in the U.S. based on state and local laws, they are not legal under U.S. federal law and in all the ports we visit and therefore are also considered prohibited items." I do not see that statement as a lie. It may not be fully transparent, but hardly a lie. Certain CBD products may be legal, certain CBD products are not legal under US law and certain CBD products are not legal in the ports visited. The word "certain" modifies the entire sentence when one reads it critically. In any event it's nothing that I am going to lose sleep over and DW leaves her gummies at home when we cruise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare aborgman Posted 15 hours ago #36 Share Posted 15 hours ago 3 minutes ago, sparks1093 said: Since the website is largely written by marketers I would say marketing. But are they actually "lying"? I looked at the FAQ and it says this: "While certain CBD products used for medicinal purposes may be legal in the U.S. based on state and local laws, they are not legal under U.S. federal law and in all the ports we visit and therefore are also considered prohibited items." I do not see that statement as a lie. It may not be fully transparent, but hardly a lie. Certain CBD products may be legal, certain CBD products are not legal under US law and certain CBD products are not legal in the ports visited. The word "certain" modifies the entire sentence when one reads it critically. In any event it's nothing that I am going to lose sleep over and DW leaves her gummies at home when we cruise. All CBD products which are state legal are federally legal, by definition under the Supremacy Clause. (Or more accurately - anything federally illegal must be illegal under state law, and yes that means all state marijuana legalization laws are invalid). ...and CBD is not illegal in ALL the ports they visit. I ain't losing any sleep over it, because I don't use any CBD and never have - I just find it (and the lies about Cheers and certain ports) weird and unnecessary. Marketers ARE professional liars, but I don't see how these lies do anything to drive business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare jimbo5544 Posted 15 hours ago #37 Share Posted 15 hours ago 27 minutes ago, aborgman said: Marketers ARE professional liars, but I don't see how these lies do anything to drive business. Not sure I would characterize their rules this way, but in this case I def think it enhances the cruise experience. JMHO 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare aborgman Posted 14 hours ago #38 Share Posted 14 hours ago 57 minutes ago, jimbo5544 said: Not sure I would characterize their rules this way, but in this case I def think it enhances the cruise experience. JMHO You think giving false reasons instead of the true reasons for banning CBD enhances the cruise experience? I can totally get how banning CBD could enhance the cruise experience, but I don't get why lying about why would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeniseTr Posted 14 hours ago #39 Share Posted 14 hours ago If you are looking at the carnival statement for truthfulness, you need to consider the word "and". As written, it would need to be legal in the U.S. AND all foreign ports that Carnival visits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare sparks1093 Posted 13 hours ago #40 Share Posted 13 hours ago 2 hours ago, aborgman said: All CBD products which are state legal are federally legal, by definition under the Supremacy Clause. (Or more accurately - anything federally illegal must be illegal under state law, and yes that means all state marijuana legalization laws are invalid). ...and CBD is not illegal in ALL the ports they visit. I ain't losing any sleep over it, because I don't use any CBD and never have - I just find it (and the lies about Cheers and certain ports) weird and unnecessary. Marketers ARE professional liars, but I don't see how these lies do anything to drive business. As I was driving to my platelet donation I thought of another reason- human nature. People as a rule are more compliant if they believe something is illegal versus just being against company policy. As to your point it needn't be illegal in all ports, because Carnival doesn't want to get into the enforcement game of it's legal here but not there. Another good reason to say it the way they do. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StephPS79 Posted 11 hours ago #41 Share Posted 11 hours ago 2 hours ago, aborgman said: You think giving false reasons instead of the true reasons for banning CBD enhances the cruise experience? I can totally get how banning CBD could enhance the cruise experience, but I don't get why lying about why would. I can see how saying "some" would then require they document which, which can be changed as time goes on, and require constant monitoring and updating, leaving room for error. While "ALL" might not be exact, it's less maintenance, while causing no real harm, other than ruffling the feathers of technical experts. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare BlerkOne Posted 18 minutes ago #42 Share Posted 18 minutes ago By legal definition, puffery is not lying and is, in fact encouraged. Referring to marketing people as liars is an opinion and not a fact, and is no different than what they are being falsely accused of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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