Have you been on a "Bleach Cruise" - NoroVirus

[charlielinda]

There had been some talk that the Zenith was having problems with the norovirus and today I received a message from a good friend on the Summit. She mentioned it to me and said I'd see bleach everywhere and to try not to touch glass on the elevators or railings. Besides not wanting to get sick what problems can the bleach cause.

[BB5953]

I think it is mostly just unpleasant.... considering the alternative I'd take the bleach....

[clm101798]

bleach will ruin clothes if it gets on it, it can irritate skin. If the vapors are inhaled can irritate mouth, eyes, throat, nose. if it got in eyes you would have to flush for 15 minutes.

 

If they are using it to clean surfaces then you should not have these problems, but they should also be rinsing it very well too so that no residue stays behind. Imaging being in a fancy dress and getting a bleach stain on it from the handrail!

 

Using a hand sanitizer is a good way to help cut germs.

[charlielinda]

I'm off to buy Purell!

[caviargal]

Bleach also can damage leather so watch out for your shoes:(.

[NanD]

We were on one of the Mercury's "bleach cruises" last March. I imagine the degree of disruption depends on the severity of outbreak they are contending with. The numbers afflicted were large enough to require the attention of the CDC, which put our voyage in a higher level. The ship itself is certainly not as attractive....nothing is bright and shiny....surfaces are dripping wet and contact with bleach is hard to avoid. If you are unlucky enough to be on a hardcore "bleach cruise" you will probably find you end up with a bare bones cruise in the sense the extras about Celebrity many of you mention here as making things special are missing. On our cruise, no sushi bar, no cova cafe pastries, no grand buffet, no midnight bites, no dining room open for lunch, no sorbert by the pool, etc. The cruise goes on.....meals in the dining room are good, the shows go on, and the casino is open....but you feel things are only just ordinary. On paper, a Celebrity cruise still looks like a good fit for our preferences and we'll give another try and hope for better luck before writing them off.

Nan

[jgh121369]

Scary - leaving on Summit 11-11-06. Any additional information and suggestions greatly appreciated. Thanks

[chuckw]

We were on the Mercury in June and everything NanD said is accurate plus all beef is served well done. It was a very disapointing cruise. If I had the chance to cancel a bleach cruise I would.

[FortyNinerLiz]

We were on one of the Mercury's "bleach cruises" last March. I imagine the degree of disruption depends on the severity of outbreak they are contending with. The numbers afflicted were large enough to require the attention of the CDC, which put our voyage in a higher level. The ship itself is certainly not as attractive....nothing is bright and shiny....surfaces are dripping wet and contact with bleach is hard to avoid. If you are unlucky enough to be on a hardcore "bleach cruise" you will probably find you end up with a bare bones cruise in the sense the extras about Celebrity many of you mention here as making things special are missing. On our cruise, no sushi bar, no cova cafe pastries, no grand buffet, no midnight bites, no dining room open for lunch, no sorbert by the pool, etc. The cruise goes on.....meals in the dining room are good, the shows go on, and the casino is open....but you feel things are only just ordinary. On paper, a Celebrity cruise still looks like a good fit for our preferences and we'll give another try and hope for better luck before writing them off.

Nan

I think I was on the same cruise as Nan. The one thing I would suggest is having a balcony. It gives you the ability to have fresh air when in your stateroom. The bleach on our cruise was overwhelming if you had no fresh air. They did not rinse the walls off after bleaching on the Mercury. In fact, the rooms were bleached sometimes twice a day. Take alot of shore excursions off the ship (if they are doing intense bleaching) and you will have a good time.

[Betty4]

I was on a "partial" bleach cruise on the Zenith in 2 weeks ago. It was annoying NOT being able to touch the drippy handrails, but not a big deal really. I did see a gentleman who had obviously sat up against a rail, as his nice kahki slacks had a thick fade mark across the back, which I don't think he noticed at the time. They should at least post warnings in the dailies that they are going to be doing this type of "cleaning." As someone new to cruising, I had no idea what I was touching and why it was there until I came home and read the boards! Well, I can now say I was on the last Zenith cruise to Bermuda - the bleach aspect will become a faded memory!

[BrooklynGirl2]

Hi Betty4...it was nice to share Zenith's last Bermuda cruise with you... even if it was a "partial" bleach cruise....it did not diminish our enjoyment of being on Zenith. We will surely miss her.

[Cruise Arizona]

Maybe I'm remembering wrong. But I think through the diligent work that Gail did to get the message out that the bleaching procedure was almost as sickining as norovirus.....that Celebrity changed thier procedure.

 

I believe that they were chaingin it from spray, sit & drip then wipe, to spray on cloth then wipe surface...???

 

This to me sounded like a better process than leaving all the wet bleach to dirp and so much bleach to get into the air???

 

Any body got a better memory than me on this???

[clm101798]

I don't understand why they would leave it dripping wet....as far as I know bleach kills on contact so wash it down and dry it. They shouldn't leave enough bleach behind that would ruin someone's clothing unless they are planning on completely restricting access so there is no chance of contact. I would expect the ship to re-imburse me for any ruined clothes.

 

I am surprised that they would have the stench of bleach so strong. While for most people it may be annoying it could still cause irritation in a health person, and if you have certain medical it could be harmful. The following is taken from the Material Safety Data Sheet for Chlorox Bleach.

 

"Health Haz Acute And Chronic: CAUSES SEVERE BUT TEMPORARY EYE INJURY. MAY IRRIT SKIN. MAY CAUSE NAUSEA & VOMIT IF INGEST. EXPOS TO VAP/MIST MAY IRRIT NOSE, THROAT & LUNGS. UNDER NORMAL CONSUMER USE CONDITIONS THE LIKELIHOOD OF ANY ADVERSE HEALTH AFFECTS ARE LOW.

 

Med Cond Aggravated By Exp: FOLLOWING MED CNDTNS MAY BE AGGRAVATED BY EXPOS TO HIGH CONCENTRATION OF VAP/MIST: HEART CDNTNS, CHRONIC RESP PROBLEMS SUCH AS ASTHMA, CHRONIC BRONCHITIS OR OBSTRUCTIVE LUNG DISEASE.

Emergency/First Aid Proc: EYES: IMMEDIATELY FLUSH EYES WITH PLENTY OF

REMOVE CONTAMD CLOTHING. WASH AREA WITH WATER FOR AT LEAST 15 MINUTES. INGEST: DRINK A GLASSFUL OF WATER AND CALL MD. INHAL: IF BREATHING PROBLEMS DEVELOP REMOVE TO FRESH AIR. "

 

Here's a thought if you want to annoy them - Everyone on the boat request a copy of the MSDS for bleach - by law they have to give it to you if you are being exposed :)

[tinker]

Brooklyn Girl and Betty4:

 

Assume you were on the 10/14 sailing of the Zenith? We were on the 10/7 sailing and lots of sick passengers but chalked it up to rough seas. (we left during the Nor'Easter on 10/7).

 

So just curious if the virus outbreak was during our week as well as I didn't notice any bleach.

 

Interesting news about the Zenith being finished for Bermuda and it seems we are one of the few who felt our vacation lacking in many areas, mostly the entertainment and activities geared toward the older vacationer.

 

A sort of underlying discontent with the crew was apparant, and maybe the news of the ship swap had them on edge?

[Alzarine]

I think our cruise last week on the Constellation Oct. 16-27 Canada/ New England may have been a "partial bleach" cruise. The last four or five days people were posted at all the railings and elevators constantly wiping them down. In the Seaside buffet, all food was served by workers and you were not allowed to get even a glass of iced tea by yourself. Waiters were placed by the drink dispensers and folks served individually during height of meal times.

 

There also seemed to be a respiratory virus making the rounds as well. DH had to go on the Z- pack antibiotic treatment for lingering effects after arriving home. My advice is go healthy, get rest while cruising, don't burn the candle at both ends trying to do everything and wash, wash, wash those hands. ;)

[clm101798]

I think our cruise last week on the Constellation Oct. 16-27 Canada/ New England may have been a "partial bleach" cruise. The last four or five days people were posted at all the railings and elevators constantly wiping them down. In the Seaside buffet, all food was served by workers and you were not allowed to get even a glass of iced tea by yourself. Waiters were placed by the drink dispensers and folks served individually during height of meal times.

 

There also seemed to be a respiratory virus making the rounds as well. DH had to go on the Z- pack antibiotic treatment for lingering effects after arriving home. My advice is go healthy, get rest while cruising, don't burn the candle at both ends trying to do everything and wash, wash, wash those hands. ;)

 

Sounds like they must have realized a virus was going around and really went out of their way to make sure to help protect the passengers from getting it.

[bububr]

First of all...Hey Nan D!...hope alls well!

 

I might be flamed on this, but I did write a review, and I will recount a couple of things.

 

First NORO type virus' spread quickly in office buildings, schools and nursing homes. For the record, the sanitary conditions on ships are as good or better than hotels, aircraft, and other public venues. These virus' tend to be BROUGHT on board, not born there.

 

Being said we can most likely eliminate Seniors in Nursing homes, leaving those who work in large buildings, and schools. In my opinion, while not all adults wash thier hands frequently and consistantly, most adults are careful. This leaves children.

 

During the past March cruises that coincided with spring breaks across the West coast...there were numerous outbreaks of noro in many public schools. Some schools even closed for a period to to try and gain control over the problem.The one fact we seem to overlook is that NORO is still contageous days after it is diagnosed. So chances are someone with children in an affected school or someone in an affected office building boarded the ship, either in disregard for everyone else because it was "their vacation and they paid for it" or not knowingly they contacted the virus in an aircraft, vehicle or hotel and brought it along. We will never know for sure.

 

The cruise prior to ours had a small outbreak, which means the problem started before our cruise. Our cruise had the LARGEST out break and was really more of a disaster than a cruise. The cruise following, with Gail (Tuggers) passengers were actually notified and or given compensation, this cruise however had half or fewer cases compared to our sailing. We were given nothing but the axe.

 

The things that disturbed me the most were.

 

1. Upon boarding many did not use or outright refused using the hand sanitizers. There was actually an incident in the buffet when a crew member tried to enforce this with an older man and he out right refused and caused a scuffle. At one point they closed the entries on one side of the ship so they could try and take control...some passengers STILL refused and caused problems.

 

2. Reaching and grabbing food with hands, sneezing and coughing with out covering mouths with hands, and then not washing or sanitizing after. SORRY but most of the passengers on this ship, mainly families with children were the most rude, disrespectful unsanity group I have ever encountered.

 

3. NOT WASHING HANDS AFTER USING THE MENS ROOM!! I don't know how many men I saw using the restrooms and NOT washing their hands. In my review at one point I mention an older passenger on his knees vomiting in the mens room ( could have been NORO ). When I asked if he needed help, and told him I was going to get it he ran out with vomit on his face and jacket. I sayed and told others not to go into the stall untill it was cleaned up...Later this man was at passenger services complaining that he and his wife had been quarantined and they wanted their money back.

 

4. CHILDREN IN HOT TUBS. I don't know if parents can't read, or just don't understand ENGLISH. No diapers, pullup or infants/toddlers in the hot tubs. Most signs say 16 and up...This is a MAJOR way to contact disease if the kid goes potty in the tub, diaper or not. NORO is an ingested FECAL related illness. While the hot tubs do have chlorine, there is still a risk. On this cruise there were frequent abusers and when confronted by the staff they argued and threatened.

 

Now I'm not totally against children, but I do remember when I was a child and some of the things I did including eating dirt, not wasing my hands, and if i coughed or snezzed I did wipe my hands on my clothes. I also used my arm to wipe my nose when it ran when mom wasn't around....just like any other normal kid, the difference was we wern't as over populated, crowded and traveled as we are now.

 

The ship was a disaster because of the bleach, our saving grace was the balcony...we left the door open 24 hours a day...lest we be asphixiated? by the fumes.

 

No midnight bites, no sorbet, pastries, no grand buffet, most of the CC events cancelled, diningroom closed for lunch, no salt and pepper shakers, no self serve anything. bleach everywhere. the chairs and tables by the pool were sprayed and not wiped so you would sit in wet bleach if you were not careful, hand rails were covered......no need to go on you get the picture.

 

The ship did everything to contain the virus, yet people in quarantine were leaving their cabins, walking around, touching things. One couple even went on their shore excursion after they were told they would be refunded. They wern't allowed back on the ship and were disembarked when they tried to reboard...for failing to follow proceedures. As in the past I will stand by X for doing what they did to contain the problem, however it still ticks me off that we had to put up with less than an X cruise and we were ignored in our requests for any kind of acknowledgement that this happened, especially when the cruise after ours was granted room credits, future cruise certificates, and refunds...yet they had half the problems we encountered.

 

Not to mention the fact that I was thrown off my horse in Mazatlan and broke my pelvis, a vertibre, and slipped a disk....try walking around the ship when you HAVE to hold onto hand rails, and lean against walls...I think I had the cleanest hands from all the bleach, and I tried to wear only white or light clothing, lest it be ruined...and X claimed no responsiblity if it was.

 

 

WASH, wash, wash your hands...report suspicious people that look ill, and be aware of your surroundings. Its no guarantee, but its at least preventative.

 

Dave:eek:

[Zaphod]

I was on the Mercury back in March (the 27th "bleach bucket" with Tuggers), and like others have noted, the problem then wasn't so much the noro itself, but the (mis)handling of the situation by those in charge of the ship. The bleach was left dripping, and was used far in excess of what should have. I had also hoped that Celebrity had learned from those mistakes and from observing how other lines handle similar outbreaks. From what I see on this thread it sounds like they're a little better, in that they at least wipe up the bleach, but that they may still be lagging behind the rest of the industry in this regard.

 

As has been said many times, the best defense against this kind of virus is to wash your hands frequently and thoroughly. For myself, it'll be a long time before I book a springtime cruise on Celebrity again, as that seems to be the height of noro season. If they demonstrate they've gotten better at it, fine, but until then I'll do my best to minimize a repeat of that debacle by either avoiding the season or choosing a line that has a better track record of handling such outbreaks.

 

And if I ever arrive at the port and am told there has been an outbreak and I have the option of not boarding, I'll take it. I don't care if I lose my airfare and hotel expenses, have no return travel arrangements, and will miss out on the cruise I've been looking forward to for so long. Experience is a harsh teacher.

[clm101798]

Dave,

You know someone was going to write back  First of all, I do respect your opinion, I just don’t agree. (although some things I actually do agree on). I hope I don’t sound too harsh.

I put your stuff in quotes. I hope my comments make sense. 

 

” First NORO type virus' spread quickly in office buildings, schools and nursing homes. Being said we can most likely eliminate Seniors in Nursing homes, leaving those who work in large buildings, and schools.”

This is a big generalization. What about people who visit seniors in nursing homes, people who eat in restaurants, People who take public transportation, people who interact with the public in any way. All have the potential to pick up the virus.

 

Interesting face from the CDC:

Among the 232 outbreaks of norovirus illness reported to CDC from July 1997 to June 2000, 57% were foodborne, 16% were due to person-to-person spread, and 3% were waterborne; in 23% of outbreaks, the cause of transmission was not determined. In this study, common settings for outbreaks include restaurants and catered meals (36%), nursing homes (23%), schools (13%), and vacation settings or cruise ships (10%).

 

So it looks like schools children are one of the least likely to bring it aboard, contrary to your belief.

 

“In my opinion, while not all adults wash thier hands frequently and consistantly, most adults are careful. This leaves children.”

Well, if an adult is not washing frequently and consistently like you said then they are NOT being careful. Most adults do not wash their hands frequently and even when they do they do not wash properly. Most adults I know will walk up to the sink, turn on the water, wash their hands, turn off the water, get a paper towel and dry their hands. They shouldn’t have even bothered. Any germs they were hoping to wash off would be transferred to the faucet and then put right back on their hands when they turn off the faucet. To wash properly you need to have the paper towel hanging before you wash, turn on the water and wash, leave the water running and dry your hands. Then you turn off the water.

 

”there were numerous outbreaks of noro in many public schools. Some schools even closed for a period to to try and gain control over the problem.”

That is because schools make the news. If an office had an outbreak you would never know.

 

“The one fact we seem to overlook is that NORO is still contageous days after it is diagnosed.”

This is true. People are contagious for 3 days after recovery, but some people are still contagious for as long as two weeks. Some one who was sick and had been better for a week would definitely still go on their cruise not knowing they are contagious and possibly infect people.

 

“The things that disturbed me the most were.”

”1. Upon boarding many did not use or outright refused using the hand sanitizers. There was actually an incident in the buffet when a crew member tried to enforce this with an older man and he out right refused and caused a scuffle. At one point they closed the entries on one side of the ship so they could try and take control...some passengers STILL refused and caused problems.”

I never understand this – why do people fight over it. Just do it, it doesn’t hurt.

 

”2. Reaching and grabbing food with hands, sneezing and coughing with out covering mouths with hands, and then not washing or sanitizing after.”

Well, if you cover your mouth with you hands and there is nothing to wash or sanitize with right there what do you do? Even if it is in your pocket and you take it out and use it, you re-contaminate your hands when you put it back in your pocket. Or you can cover your mouth the proper way – the way my CHILD – yes a CHILD – does it, with you elbow or upper arm.

 

“SORRY but most of the passengers on this ship, mainly families with children were the most rude, disrespectful unsanity group I have ever encountered.”

Oh Please, do you realize how bigoted this is?

 

”3. NOT WASHING HANDS AFTER USING THE MENS ROOM!! I don't know how many men I saw using the restrooms and NOT washing their hands.”

But yet you say adults are careful and kid are the ones spreading germs?

 

“In my review at one point I mention an older passenger on his knees vomiting in the mens room ( could have been NORO ). When I asked if he needed help, and told him I was going to get it he ran out with vomit on his face and jacket. I sayed and told others not to go into the stall untill it was cleaned up...Later this man was at passenger services complaining that he and his wife had been quarantined and they wanted their money back.”

And anything that man touched for the past two days and up to two weeks later were contaminated. And he isn’t a child.

 

”4. CHILDREN IN HOT TUBS. I don't know if parents can't read, or just don't understand ENGLISH. No diapers, pullup or infants/toddlers in the hot tubs. Most signs say 16 and up...This is a MAJOR way to contact disease if the kid goes potty in the tub, diaper or not. NORO is an ingested FECAL related illness. While the hot tubs do have chlorine, there is still a risk. On this cruise there were frequent abusers and when confronted by the staff they argued and threatened.”

That is how anyone under 16 or their parents react when confronted on most cruises. Just don’t drink the hot tub :O Yes, an infant or toddler is more likely than an adult to go to the bathroom in the hot tub, but an adult may not have washed after the bathroom and before getting in the hot tub. They might not have wiped well for all we know. People of all ages are gross.

 

”Now I'm not totally against children”

You Aren’t?

 

“bleach everywhere. the chairs and tables by the pool were sprayed and not wiped so you would sit in wet bleach if you were not careful, hand rails were covered......no need to go on you get the picture.”

There is not reason they needed to leave the stuff wet, they should have dried it off after they sprayed it.

 

”Not to mention the fact that I was thrown off my horse in Mazatlan and broke my pelvis, a vertibre, and slipped a disk....try walking around the ship when you HAVE to hold onto hand rails, and lean against walls”

Why were you walking around anyways? Was this accident on a shore excursion – if so you should have still been in the hospital. If this was well prior to the cruise, what had you planned on doing if the seas were really rough and you couldn’t walk around?

 

”WASH, wash, wash your hands” Good Advise!

 

“report suspicious people that look ill” Not good advise – who are you to judge who looks ill?

[bbro]

I spoke with my doctor prior to my last cruise regarding Noro/Norwalk. While it is a virus and there is no medication to treat it she did recommend 1 dose of pepto-bismol daily as a profalactive (sp?) and also take acidophyllis daily (available in the vitamin department) to boost the good bugs in your belly to help keep your colon in tip top shape. You can also eat yogurt daily and get the good bugs too if you prefer not to pack extra pills. You will need to take some extra fiber due to the Pepto, but neither my husband nor I got the slightest bit sick on our cruise. I also follow this advice when I travel to 3rd world countries for work and so far so good. There is some ingredient in Pepto that kills all the nasty bugs, it comes highly recommended by doctors/nurses I've spoken to. I have heard that if you do get the virus the ship doctor can prescribe Phenergan to help with the nausea. My doctor was kind enough to give me my own prescription just in case. I never had to use it, but now travel with it. Of crouse, good old fashioned hand washing, hand sanitizer and sanitizing wipes will also work wonders. Hope this helps!

[bububr]

” First NORO type virus' spread quickly in office buildings, schools and nursing homes. Being said we can most likely eliminate Seniors in Nursing homes, leaving those who work in large buildings, and schools.”

 

This is a big generalization. What about people who visit seniors in nursing homes, people who eat in restaurants, People who take public transportation, people who interact with the public in any way. All have the potential to pick up the virus.

 

I did make reference and agree to this also, by mentioning things like transportation, especially cabs, airplanes, terminals, public restrooms...etc...

 

Interesting face from the CDC:

Among the 232 outbreaks of norovirus illness reported to CDC from July 1997 to June 2000, 57% were foodborne, 16% were due to person-to-person spread, and 3% were waterborne; in 23% of outbreaks, the cause of transmission was not determined. In this study, common settings for outbreaks include restaurants and catered meals (36%), nursing homes (23%), schools (13%), and vacation settings or cruise ships (10%).

 

NORO is found in the stools and vomit. failure to properly wash after being exposed to the virus then touching areas such as your nose, mouth or eyes can infect a person very quickly, If a person preparing food does not wash properly and handles it it also can be spread by ingestion. Hence the food born cases. On the ship, it would be easier to trace back a sick food handler by their area, or persons eating the foods they are preparing, If it was a single person the entire ship would most likely be infected instead of random people at random tables in random venues eating different foods. So if we eliminate the restaurant issue, The chance of contacting the virus through a nursing home is quite slim as they would quarantine the patients and notify the visitors and family members. So this is less likely especially since very few if any of seniors in nursing homes travel on cruise lines. The third as you mentioned are schools. And as I had posted there were a number of large out breaks this past year at the beginning of March;information via web and newspapers. By the way there were a LOT of children onboard.

 

“SORRY but most of the passengers on this ship, mainly families with children were the most rude, disrespectful unsanity group I have ever encountered.”

Oh Please, do you realize how bigoted this is?

 

Just to clarify. Young children in hot tubs that are meant for adults specifically, and signage that says no diapers, yet people persistantly ignored this. A woman who changed her baby on a table by the pool, then put the dirty diaper in the regular garbage can by the poolside grill, and it did smell when you walked by it...Quite possibly she might have chosen the restroom? Parents who let their children run free without supervision, and another woman who was cleaning her kids ears on the deck by the pool. Okay, you can say my comment was biggoted, and if you weren't there I would understand, however These people were gross, period.

 

”Not to mention the fact that I was thrown off my horse in Mazatlan and broke my pelvis, a vertibre, and slipped a disk....try walking around the ship when you HAVE to hold onto hand rails, and lean against walls”

Why were you walking around anyways? Was this accident on a shore excursion – if so you should have still been in the hospital. If this was well prior to the cruise, what had you planned on doing if the seas were really rough and you couldn’t walk around?

 

I actually didn't find out the extent of my injuries until I got back home and I wasn't any better. At the time they were quarantining people and the medical services onboard were packed with patients. First I thought I only pulled a few muscles...I'm a guy, we do stupid things but usually get over them. And Second, with ALL those sick contageous people down there I wasn't going to risk it. By the way the seas did get rough, and it was quite a challenge.

 

report suspicious people that look ill” Not good advise – who are you to judge who looks ill

 

Okay, maybe I misphrased this one. My example refers to the guy in the restroom throwing up......

 

 

The rest of the stuff I think we pretty much agree upon.

 

FYI just did the Mercury Alaska cruise, it was like night and day from the Mexican Riviera. Almost everyone I saw used the hand sanitizers, washed their hands in the mensroom, acted accordingly and only had a handful of children on board, with the exception of a few teenagers that ran amuck a couple of days on the upper decks...you wouldn't have even known any were on board. No sickness, all ammenities....GREAT cruise!!!

 

Thanks for the challenge on my post, glad to be able to clarify a bit.

 

Dave:eek:

[FinelyCruising]

We were on the 3/27 historical/hysterical (:D ) bleach cruise and we have decided we would do it all over again if presented with the same situation again at boarding.

[clm101798]

Dave,

 

Basically we both agree – Noro is transmitted because of poor hygiene.

 

I guess my biggest issue is that your post seemed to blame only children. While I am not saying that children are never the culprit, I bet they have a much smaller roll than you think. I was on a spring break cruise with tons of kids on it and never heard of any type of illness breakout. (I also noticed that people really did use the hand sanitizers often so that probably helped.) If you think about it most of the examples you gave (which you are correct in them being disgusting) it was actually the adults being the problem, not the kids. It was the adult who changed the baby’s diaper, and adult who cleaned her kid’s ears on the deck; it is an adult that brings a kid in a pull-up or swim diaper in the hot tub, etc. Not only is the diaper changer gross, but I bet she didn’t wash her hands after changing the baby. And if she didn’t wash then, wanna bet she doesn’t after using the Bathroom? I am always amazed here at work how many people here do not wash. I mean if you are walking out the door zipping up and the flush is still going on – you did not wash. (I know this sounds like I am generalizing about men but I am just referring to work and I work at a construction company so it is mostly men. Trust me, I have been in many ladies rooms and they are usually gross)

 

Maybe we should all tell these types of offenders how gross they are in a very loud voice to shame them into good hygiene. :D

 

Regarding your accident – after re-reading my post I sounded quite rude. I apologize. I often sound like a witch when I am writing even though I don’t intend to. I am very sincere in hoping that you are doing well.

 

As for reporting people who are ill, I agree that someone throwing up can easily be spotted as ill. I just had visions of some poor person with naturally sunken eye and sallow complexion having people report him as sick the whole cruise. :)

 

Let’s hope that people who read these posts can help spread the word on good hygiene on ships to keep others from getting sick.

 

Christine

[SandyMc]

Hi, Nan and Dave!

Have missed reading your posts but decided I should move on from my extreme disappointment in Celebrity. Still - like to lurk around here occasionally. This, as you know, is a subject I feel very strongly about.....

DO NOT GET ON A SHIP THAT HAD NOROVIRUS on the previous cruise if you have an option!!! Who knows - if we had been given an option we may have just rescheduled and been able to add Celebrity to our list of favorite cruise lines. Now we'll never know!:cool: