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  1. HMR74 and Ride-The-Waves, your posts are excellent and spot on regarding the attitude of Celebrity. Celebrity has been downgrading their product since about 2015. Their corporate attitude since this time has been to stiff the consumer, but then, it is the consumer who chooses to get stiffed. The new pricing scam is just another example of Celebrity arrogance. I will wait and see what Celebrity offers on a consistent basis and measure them against their competitors and the premium lines, and that will take many years to determine. In the interim, myself and our travellin
  2. Greetings TeeRick: It appears it is the provinces, ie the same approach as in the states. The approach here in BC is different than for my sister who lives in Ontario. The other thing is that there has been no official statement from the provincial government as to the distribution priority list - ie no open and transparent communication. We learn things via the media and FB and Twitter posts. Not good at all. I am not impressed.
  3. phoenix_dream, Support your assessment 100%, thank you for posting. The vaccine distribution does seem willy nilly in terms of any consistency from location to location. For example, my 93 year old father is in a retirement home, I guess he will eventually get the vaccine. I however, just got an email from the retirement home saying I can get the vaccine asap as I visit my father. Not sure I am pleased with putting me first. I support as #1 priority the elderly and immune compromised before any one else. Not seeing this happening.
  4. Jeremiah1212, that is the same situation with the people we know. All professionals, so have the $ to travel but they have not taken cruises in the past - they do land trips so they can see the places in detail. I am the only one who regularly cruises, they simply call cruising "fake". This also speaks to other threads on Celebrity, about chasing the younger crowd, not sure about that either. To the one, no one will consider a cruise and like you said, the Petri dish comes up repeatedly. So, if they were not inclined to cruise before, then add in the Petri dish context, the
  5. Well I am not so sure about the public's appetite for cruising. At the nursing station at my father's retirement home, a discussion was underway with three PSW's. They were talking about travel and one stated no way would she ever cruise as cruise ships are petri dishes. The other two ladies jumped in and agreed and the passion in their statements was significant. I asked them if they had ever cruised, each said no, but two said they had been thinking about it. Those three ladies represented possible future customers for cruising, I doubt that they will consider cr
  6. DC, thank you so much for your comment - the issue is "what is the problem..." You are totally correct and the current distribution plan I see in Canada and elsewhere is not based on this fundamental question. As yes, TeeRick, it should be data driven - ie triage: highest % for death, those that take care of the 1st group, then the group that has the worst lingering issues after the virus: 1) Elderly 2) Hospital staff 3) Staff taking care of elderly 4) Immune compromised So why is my 93 year old father in a retirement home not receiving the vaccine
  7. Thank you ipeeinthepool, most interesting. Well any company can do what they wish, it is up to the consumer to decide what their tolerance is and if they buy it. Time will tell about Celebrity's current fantasy marketing plan. Maybe they will be successful, maybe not. Sort of like Celebrity's past fixation of all things Goop etc. The concept of Celebrity being premium luxury - seriously not. 🤣 With the information age, consumers have considerable information available before they purchase - that includes checking out cruise lines before purchasing. If the ne
  8. As the old saying goes, "there is a sucker born every minute". People need to take care of themselves first. There are many travel options out there, cruising is merely one. With those prices and those before the virus, no wonder we have scaled back cruising in favor of land based trips - more bang for the buck and more real destination experience. Cruise lines get real.
  9. Get to your credit card company asap and make a dispute case and get a file number. The credit card companies count the days after a consumer has been given notice of cancellation. Do not wait. Indicate that the FCC is being pushed on you and that you want a refund. PDF any correspondence from your TA or Ponant that showes the FCC push, attach it to your complaint. Do not rely on Ponant period. Credit card disputes are powerful tools of the consumer. I even got a refund for a Air Canada flight when that despicable airline refused refunds to anyone.
  10. Ports, less and less. Land trips oh yes, and if they happen to be a port stop, we check the impact of the cruise itinerary. The land trips is where you get the deep dive into a destination. Cruises not and especially if the cruise lines use the virus to not allow independent activity - that will equal - 0 cruises going forward. It is up to each community (like Key West) to decide their future, particularly due to the impact of the ever larger ships, but that may change going forward.
  11. I believe that Celebrity, and the other cruise lines, are deliberately choosing to sell a product that they know will not be provided. It works very well as the consumers in the bell curve seem to willingly purchase what is put in front of them. Say in spring 2021 - what will be the on board product? Will the food and service be downgraded due to cruise line debt (likely). Will the ship likely arrive at the advertised ports (maybe). Will you be required to take only the cruise line shore excursion (likely). So everyone who is booking - this scenario is ok with you
  12. Ride-The-Waves, excellent post. In the end it is very simple, buy what you want which includes each persons individual assessment of pricing. I am not interested if Celebrity's high prices continue or not - if they price at a level I, I deem, acceptable they would be considered. Celebrity has not had my business in years due to their excessive pricing and constant lowering of on board product. Nothing I have seen thus far would incline me to purchase a Celebrity product. I believe Celebrity is the most arrogant of the main cruise lines and it shows in their
  13. morechances - you last paragraph is very important. Thank you for highlighting it. The value of a cruise for us, and many, are the destinations. Any restrictions of access will simply eliminate cruising for us. I would arrange land travel and gain access without the entire risk of thousand's of other people impeding me, which frankly is a risk in itself. There is also the issue of prejudice against cruise ships which will likely linger for a long time - the sanctions on cruise ship entry are likely to be more forceful than a single traveler arriving by train or plane.
  14. Hank, you also make a great point above, in the world response to 9/11, the world is far more shut down, tracked and costly than it was before hand. I agree with you that government imposed restrictions and control will remain in some fashion - many governments will refuse to give up their control on people. They will be aided by a compliant media who will continue to create hysterics designed to scare people into submission. I lived through SARS in Toronto in 2003 and that was almost as bad as this virus - Toronto was the epicenter of SARS and the Province of Ontario and Cana
  15. Hank, thank you. Like you said, I believe we are rather out of step with those desperate to cruise again. And yes, the cruise lines believe the many with the FCC's will do and pay anything. The "value proposition" will be fundamentally changed post covid, so the concept that cruisers will be able to get the previous product, is I believe, naïve. What this virus has done to cruising is to essentially break the "habit" of cruising. My habit is totally broken and destroyed. I have moved on to planning land vacations to have a real experience in the location I choose. Thi
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