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I agree. The term "suite" is really being misused. It's nice that they put a curtain to separate the bed and the sitting area, but it really doesn't make it a real suite. Agree. 240 sqft on the newer O ships is perfectly fine. I could never understand what people do in their cabins that they need 300-400 sqft or more (unless of course money is really not an issue). We come to a cruise to see the world, not to spend time in the cabin.

They are not missing the point because this is what important (or not) to THEM.

Very true. For people who fly business class and buy cash tickets, Regent is an excellent value. For those who buy on points - not so much because their air credit is significantly less than the current cost of the flights. So it's really what's important to YOU. If I don't drink, I couldn't care less about the alcohol quality - and no, I'm not missing the point because this is what's important (or not) TO ME. If 240 sqft on Vista is more than sufficient to me, then 300+ sqft "suites" on SB or SS are "nice to have", but not something worth paying for. Space ratios are important, but Riviera never felt crowded to me compared to SS ships that have higher ratios.

Matter of attitude I guess. We never had a bad cruise (well, maybe except for Carnival a while ago). Sometimes we don't like some aspects of the cruise, the ships etc. but to leave in the middle of the cruise?? Unless there is some emergency of course. I guess some people are never happy.

In the last 3 years we sailed twice on S and 3 times on O. We found nothing on SS that makes it any more luxury than O and justifies the 40-60% price difference. Maybe the cabins, but that's it. As non drinkers, your example doesn't really mean much to us, but service in most other areas was comparable to O. In fact, we had much longer waits on SS in the morning and afternoon buffet for things like water and coffee. We asked for Perrier, the impression was they are bring it from another ship. After two times we gave up and settled for their sparkling water, which is pretty bad compared to Perrier. If you read SS board, there are a lot of complaints about service and food. I don't know how it was before Covid, but now we just cannot justify their prices and consider them in the same league with O. Maybe SB and Explora are different, but not SS.

I mostly agree with your observations about activities and entertainment. But the difference between you and me is that we sail for destinations, not sea days. This is why O is perfect for us for European port intensive itineraries, where we spend most of the day in ports, come back to the ship to have dinner, spend some time in the lounges, see the show and go to bed. This is why personally I don't think O is good for TA or Caribbean. That said, there are more activities and choices on newer ships, so I always advise first timers to start with the newer ship. As for you comment "The long time Oceania cruisers seemed to like it, the 200+ first timers not so much." - on our Riviera cruise last May we went with friends who sailed exclusively on Celebrity for over 20 years. Guess what? They are not going back to celebrity. Already booked 3 more on Marina and Vista, but won't go on the R ship. btw, we went on 2 SS cruises in the last 2 years, didn't see much food customization - in fact, I think food on O is better, for 40% less. But yes, choice is good. No point to argue really. Celebrity and other lines have their devoted loyalists. For us, it's itinerary and price first, but we are not going back to 3,000+ ships.

Oceania on its worst day is better than Celebrity on its best day. Like comparing Mercedes to Toyota. People come to R ships and are not aware about the shower size?? This shows lack of the most basic homework. But yes, entertainment and activities are not the strongest areas on O. Again, some minimal homework would set expectations right and avoid disappointments. More Oceania for us.

Personally I found Hank's observations and review very objective and balanced. I share his view of Red Ginger, despite this being a favorite restaurant of many O cruisers. I don't think anyone would claim that every meal on O (or any other line) is excellent. Same for most restaurants on land (there are some exceptions of course). But Hank also said the O food is second best only to Explora, which speaks volume.

And think that what they have on the Nova is already a relaxed dress code compared to other ships (they now switch to the new dress code fleet wide). On our recent Dawn cruise it was absolutely ridiculous (3 different types of dress code).

Good for you! How much was it per person? And yes, many people actually claim that O skips ports to save money. Just read some of the topics on this board.

Absolutely! Things might have changed on Oceania in 16 years.. but it's good that not everyone likes it, more Oceania for us!

We didn't do SB yet, but I agree that SS service can be inconsistent. And with the recent price increase, I don't find value in SS anymore. However, we enjoy Oceania very much, and can book it around $400. I find food on O excellent and service very good too. To me there was nothing on SS or Crystal that made them more luxurious than O when we look at things that are important to us. Crystal might feel like family if you did dozens of cruises on their ships, know the crew and they know you. On our cruise on C in 2019 we felt like outsiders. Doesn't mean the service wasn't good, on the contrary. But part of the family? Not really, at least this was not our feeling. To some people it's worth the extra cost. To others it's not. Especially if you sail for destinations and not see the ship as a destination.

Great to hear! Your experience puts our recent experience on SS to shame.

Yes, I'm well aware of it. But for those bigger cabins, the prices are even crazier. I just looked at few sailings for summer 2025. SB has many sailings around $500-550 USD per night. Crystal starts around $600-650 for standard OV room (210 sqft) while AQUAMARINE suites (323 sqft) are around $900. To me, those prices are crazy. I don't mind being in a 210 sqft room, but the price should reflect it. I would try Crystal even if the price was similar to entry level cabin on SB, but paying 20-25% more for a smaller cabin on a much older ship just doesn't make sense to me.

We were on the old Crystal. From what I read, the new Crystal is similar. We enjoyed the OC very much, but I find the current pricing of the NC not competitive at all. The ships are still over 25 years old, and the cabins are still small. Not a big factor for us if the price was competitive, but paying 20-25% more for a 210 sqft cabin on a 25 years old ship is just not my definition of value.

You don't need to ass passengers. In fact, you can even invite friends to ride with you (in theory) as long as the total number does not exceed the specified capacity. We got one link to because I specified the same email for me and my wife. But it has 2 rides per direction, so we used the second ride to book airport-port (and wise versa).

While the new showers on Riviera are really nice, the old ones were perfectly fine too (which I cannot say about R ships). And some people actually like tubs. So personally I don't see this as an issue at all.

I completely agree about Marseille. Doesn't feel like France anymore..

We were able to book Airport- ship and ship- airport with Blacklane.

I would sign on every word that you said. This was exactly our conclusion. The problem is that for 2025, SS priced itself out of the market. In 2023/2024 you could find a fair amount of SS sailings with prices comparable or only slightly higher than O, but this is not the case anymore.

Well, for those of us who live in North America and book cruises to Europe/Asia, flights will definitely be more expensive if booked 3-4 months in advance, especially for business class. And if you book with points (like we do), then the best deals are when the flights are just released (usually a year in advance). So 3-4 months won't work for us, and if they caught better deals on the cruise, most likely this was offset by air prices (unless you don't have to fly too far). Makes sense, and this is why they published till June 2026. But I hope they don't wait till September to release rest of the first half of 2026.

I understand why they would not release September 2026 now, but why not full schedule for the first half of 2026? We usually book 2 years in advance. We are currently looking at May-June 2026. If they don’t release them till September-October, and other lines like Seabourn, Windstar, Explora etc release a good itinerary at reasonable price in the next 2-3 months, we will book them instead of O.

I posted a comparison a while ago: If PH price is similar, I would go with O. You get more perks, larger cabin, better food, comparable service. Especially considering you don't drink much, so included alcohol on SS is not a factor.

All valid points. I don't disagree. The ratio is far from perfect, but I think it is still a pretty good estimate. As an example, QM2 has a ratio of 55, and indeed it felt the least crowded of all mass market ships. The difference between 44 and 52 is pretty significant to be ignored even considering all other factors you mentioned, and to me, Regatta did feel slightly more crowded than Riviera. And if you compare Regatta with 30,000 ton and 700 guests to ships like Silver Dawn or Silver Spirit that have 40,000 ton and 600 guests, the difference is very significant, despite SS cabins being almost double in size.

Money aside, on R ships, we would go to PH (regular cabins are just a bit smaller than our comfort level). On O ships (and Vista), regular cabins are very nice size, no need for PH only to get more space (at least for us), but other perks are nice if you use them. Always better to be young, handsome, rich and healthy than old, ugly, poor and sick, so if you can afford PH, why not?