Anyone ever experienced the 'Brig'?

I assume Carnival's on-ship security staff have some form of secure holding room (brig) or rooms where they can detain those few passengers that have behaviour is so bad/disruptive or threatening it is deemed they need to be segregated from everyone else on the ship. As an architect I once designed a psychiatric hospital -- the staff there called their holding rooms "time-out rooms". In the jails I've designed they are called "Administrative Segregation Cells". I wonder if anyone on these boards has ever experienced 'hard time' on their cruise? If so please share the experience... (we know you aren't a bad person - you just did a bad thing ;)).

I once worked with a guy who during his conscripted WWII service with the Canadian Navy he had been locked up (more than once) in the brig for insubordination. He explained how when put into the holding cell, those detained would be given two pounds of the heavy braided rope used to tie the ships. (It would have been very similar to the heavy rope Carnival uses today but made of hemp instead of nylon). Two pounds represented a piece approximately a foot long. Those detained were told that when they fully unraveled the rope to just fibres they would be released. The unraveled fibres would be weighed and you were free to leave if you had the full two pounds. Aparently if you were really motivated the rope could be picked apart in less than a day but your fingernails & teeth might well be bleeding from the effort. Many of the sailors would go about it more casually and it would take two or three days work.

I doubt the Carnival security guys give you a piece of rope. :rolleyes:

This question actually came up during our "behind the fun" tour. There is a "brig" and it is used when security cannot control someone.

We did not get to see it, but the host said it was just a cabin with a door that does not open from the inside.

We did not get to see it, but the host said it was just a cabin with a door that does not open from the inside.

Wonder if the mini fridge is stocked?

Typically holding rooms in police stations, jails, court houses and psychiatric facilities have doors that open out (so they can't be barricaded), have CCTV cameras, and anything that could facilitate a suicide removed. Usually they have durable construction like stainless steel toilets so they can't be damaged by the occupant. A big worry in those circumstances is suicide so a high level of supervision is necessary. If I were designing a holding cell for a cruise ship I would recommend doing it like I've done at court houses - with a secure vestibule (separated by security glazing) where a staff member can sit and talk with the person detained. It can have a positive effect on calming the person down and provide the utmost in supervision.

I imagine the whole situation must be a legal minefield for the cruise lines. Any time you put thousands of people together there can arise a very real need to segregate a few from the others to provide for safety & security. On a ship the detention must have many legal fine points as those detained would not typically have access to legal representation and the cruise company must be very weary of law suits. I personally find this a very interesting subject and would like to know more about how the cruise industry handles such security situations. I suspect they actually handle things very professionally as I've never heard in the news any concerns about the cruise industry in this regard. In contrast there's lots of stories of the airline industry's security troubles.

Wonder if the mini fridge is stocked?

With P-r-o-z-a-c?

I had some friends that were "summoned to their rooms" for mooning on the water slide. They were warned once and were sent to their rooms, not the brig for about 6 hours. Their spending accounts were cut off for the duration of the cruise, so that they couldn't buy alcohol, but they were liquor distributors, so they were plenty equipped, beverage wise, for fun in their cabin.

I had some friends that were "summoned to their rooms" for mooning on the water slide. They were warned once and were sent to their rooms, not the brig for about 6 hours. Their spending accounts were cut off for the duration of the cruise, so that they couldn't buy alcohol, but they were liquor distributors, so they were plenty equipped, beverage wise, for fun in their cabin.

Note to self: If I ever feel the urge to buy expensive cruise drinks... moon someone instead.

SaltyDingo & TheDingoAteMyBayBay -- do you to have a relationship. If the Salty one ate your baby he needs to be in the brig - with no minibar! Baby eating is not acceptable cruise behaviour. :D

Baby eating is not acceptable cruise behaviour. :D

No comment :D

Does it look like this?

What is the recommended tip for a guard?

Also, can it be adjusted either up or down?

Are young detainees expected to tip the full share?

Never from the wrong side. But have had people held on other "cruises" when I was in charge. I never did go and see where they were held since even the best cabins were minimal to say the least. I would have been quite shocked to learn that they were NOT such holding cells on a ship. There you are in the middle of noplace and you have someone losing control or getting a bit , or a lot, crazy. Very grateful to have them if needed. Oh the stories I could tell.

What is the recommended tip for a guard?

 

 

Also, can it be adjusted either up or down?

 

Are young detainees expected to tip the full share?

If I tip the Maitre 'D can I get any-time seating in the brig? Just for one? With a view?

What is the recommended tip for a guard?

 

 

Also, can it be adjusted either up or down?

 

Are young detainees expected to tip the full share?

I think it's a dollar an hour per person. But I think you should only have to tip for adults. Just have any auto tipping for the kids incarceration removed even though they'll receive the same waterboardings and beatings. Don't flame me for this or I'll tip even less. :eek:

What is the recommended tip for a guard?

 

 

Also, can it be adjusted either up or down?

 

Are young detainees expected to tip the full share?

This is a comment that is going to show up on John's blog!

The brig on the Triumph is located right next door to the Morgue. It is basically a padded room. It is used when they cannot control someone.

Most cases they will post a security officer outside your cabin. Ironically on this same cruise, two cabins from us, a lady and guy got into a fight on the fifth night of our 7-night cruise. Security was posted outside their cabin and they had to keep the door open the entire time.

On the last day, they escorted him off the ship and then came back and escorted her off the ship.

Dave

I don't think the brig has to be used for long periods of time really. In the cruise contract it says you can be put off at the next port. So, I imagine, if you're acting up and you get put in the brig and aren't controlled enough by the time you get to the next port, you just get escorted off and told, "see ya later." If someone was just beligerent and drunk and calmed down, they'd be let go and told to behave.

Makes sense to me.

I was so afraid we were going to get thrown in the brig when we were caught on the bow of the Valor by the flagpole.

I was so afraid we were going to get thrown in the brig when we were caught on the bow of the Valor by the flagpole.

Only because you didnt pay the $95 for the tour to get there. :p

Here is a photo on the bow of the Triumph on the Behind the Fun tour.

The brig on the Triumph is located right next door to the Morgue.

Kind of handy in case the brig just can't do the job :D!

What is the recommended tip for a guard?

 

 

Also, can it be adjusted either up or down?

 

Are young detainees expected to tip the full share?

and if it is for multi passengers, can you leave your towel on the chair you want for more than 20 minutes without it being taken?

I think it's a dollar an hour per person. But I think you should only have to tip for adults. Just have any auto tipping for the kids incarceration removed even though they'll receive the same waterboardings and beatings. Don't flame me for this or I'll tip even less. :eek:

But are you able to bring your "Luggage" with you, so you can have your rum runner also, that would be the real challenge for the smugglers,

see if you can smuggle booze in to the brig?

Do they provide striped robes?

It's a shame they just took a section of a brig cell to display (see the photo from the USS MIDWAY) ...The cells are much larger than what is shown.

The actual cells had three high steel bunks in them, and depending on the severity of your charge or actions, may or may not have had a mattress (not like anything any civilian knows!), blanket or pillow.

The brigs on Navy ships were, until a few years ago, manned by Marines; and they took delight in playing 1-2-3 with those committed to serve some time behind bars.

1-2-3 ?? The bunks were numbered 1-2-3. The Marine would shout out "1", and the prisoner would scramble to bunk "1". About then, the Marine would shout "3" or "2", and the prisoner would scramble to that bunk. Bruises, bumps, skinned shins, knees, and knuckles weren't unheard of -- after all, trying to keep up with the numbers the Marine called out while climbing on steel wasn't a tender game....

No...I was never in one....but our chow line went by the brig and most of the crew at one time or another witnessed what went on in the brig....

The Marines would certainly take the rowdiness out of any cruise ship passengers who got locked up.... :D

What is the recommended tip for a guard?

 

 

Also, can it be adjusted either up or down?

 

Are young detainees expected to tip the full share?

The jokes on CC can get somewhat lame (especially mine). This one was a hall of fame comment. Kudos