Barangaroo Your Thoughts ?

[rugbypopsie]

I see the debate on what should be built at Barangaroo has hotted up again...should it be open space (given that there is a huge amount of open space around the harbour already. Or a beautifully built multi use space including a new terminal.

 

My vote would be for something including a terminal it is a wonderful opportunity to make another wonderful gateway to Sydney..nobody seems to want to be in White Bay.

 

What do you think?

 

 

[thied]

There is a number of reports around on this very subject

http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-national/sydneys-barangaroo-hotel-downsized-20100616-yg58.html

 

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/barangaroo-ideal-for-cruise-ships-says-stoner-20100623-yz9f.html

 

http://www.watoday.com.au/opinion/society-and-culture/what-would-macquarie-have-done-to-make-barangaroo-great-20100616-ygaf.html

 

http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-business/lend-lease-signs-6b-barangaroo-contract-20100305-pokq.html

 

just a few links to reports on they wont to do.

[The_Big_M]

Superficially, Keating has a persuasive argument. However, if you analyse it and his criticism of the impact from cruising with parking, tourists and traffic, the same issues arise with a hotel and associated buildings he is advocating!

 

I don't know why he's immersed himself so much in this, to the extent of getting the original plan kicked out, but his proposed solution introduces as many compromises and deficiencies as those of the ones he complains about. Taking over the public waterway to give it to private industry is something we should avoid - and have done enough of in the past with the tragic transfer of Woolloomooloo public spaces to private hands and the destruction they placed there. Woolloomooloo wharf was a magical structure which was turned into nothing but a shell - and with loss of public amenity that has now become an issue at that.

[bazzaw]

I wonder if we, as a group, could mount some kind of "campaign" of our own to push our views towards whoever. Personally, I would like to see a second Terminal developed at Barangaroo - but also wonder why it appears that the OPT is not used to it's maximum efficiency.

 

Barry

[Oxymoron]

Barangaroo is on the wrong side of the bridge for any newish large ship, I say turn it into a carpark and use the money to fund a terminal on the east side of the bridge.

[thied]

This like has video in it about what they plan to do with Barangaroo South

 

http://www.barangaroosouth.com.au/The-Design/default.aspx

[aussielil]

One of the reasons they are moving the cruise terminal, is because there is an "exclusion zone" around the terminal, meaning a large area where nothing can be built around it apart from terminal buildings, parking etc.

 

In short, they won't be able to build their fancy hotel jutting out in the water.

[woodscruise]

Sydney’s interim wharf pressure

cruise weekly Thursday 1st July 2010 page 1

Darling Harbour Wharf 5 is

“functional” but could face a

serious challenge when it

rains, Carnival’s Ann Sherry

tells CW.

LAST WEEKEND SAW THE FIRST USE OF THE

makeshift facility that is to serve as a cruise

shipping terminal for the next two years after

Wharf 8 Darling Harbour was closed this

month to make way for the NSW

Government’s Barangaroo redevelopment.

On Saturday P&O’s Pacific Jewel was the

first cruise ship to use Wharf 5, dubbed

“essentially a marquee” by Carnival

Australia’s ceo, Ann Sherry.

According to Sherry, it was the fine weather

that helped the turnaround to run “relatively

smoothly”.

“We feel the real challenge will be when it

rains, given the marquee has been erected

over the existing asphalt so drainage may be

a problem,” she said.

Sherry said Carnival Australia would be

meeting with Sydney Ports Corporation this

week to discuss suggestions for “further

improving the experience” of ship

turnarounds.

“Overall, the marquee is a less than ideal

situation for cruise passengers beginning a

holiday they have saved hard for, and we look

forward to the State Government’s

But the temporary terminal has some good

points, Sherry conceded.

“It is only a matter of metres from the

current terminal at Wharf 8 so its location is

unlikely to make a huge difference to

passengers,” she said.

“And it will be functional and, thankfully,

air-conditioned during the summer months to

help passenger comfort.”

Wharf 5 will be used for cruise ship

operations west of the Sydney Harbour

Bridge until a permanent terminal at White

Bay is constructed and opened in 2012.

Sherry has been the most vocal opponent

of the Government’s White Bay plan since it

was announced in 2008 and she believes

Carnival’s lobbying has made a difference.

“At the very least, there is a broader public

conversation that is now happening that has

never happened before,” Sherry said.

“We have been heartened by the support

we’ve had from our industry partners, such

as travel agents and suppliers, who want to

see cruising continue to grow and prosper.”

Carnival last week declared its support of a

proposal by the National Trust to build a

multi-purpose shipping terminal at the

northern end of Barangaroo at Millers Point.

Sherry said there was still time for the

Trust’s proposal to be considered by the

Government as the White Bay plan was not

yet finalised and it would have no effect on

the first stage of the Barangaroo

redevelopment.

Source - Cruise Weekly 01July 2010

[Kiwi Kruzer]

If our City Fathers and Town Planners are berefet of ideas on how to make the area work, perhaps they should look to Singapore and Hong Kong who are both moving towards building new cruise hubs, complete with all the facilities for both passengers and servicing , multi level car parks, function centres and Hotels and apartments above.

Sydney and Auckland, have both become hubs and both need attention.

I realise the complication with Sydney is the bridge, but surely someone can see the way the future will be.

[livingstone]

I have to say that the use of a what is essentally a tent is a step backwards in the history of Australian cruising. The idea would have been to use some forsight and build a proper temporary facility. To use an other example they built a temporary parlement house in canberra that lasted for many years, why cant they build a proper tempory terminal in sydney.