Rare Coral Posted October 27, 2022 Author #26 Share Posted October 27, 2022 14 hours ago, notamermaid said: The Mozart has been spotted sailing! The folks on Binnenschifferforum say that she has left the shipyard in Linz and was seen sailing towards Vienna. It sounds as if her transformation is complete. notamermaid I am following someone who works for the new company and she said she was going to board the ship in 24 hours in Vienna. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare steamboats Posted October 27, 2022 #27 Share Posted October 27, 2022 Yes, the ship is going to Vienna for a media presentation/event tonight. Then she´s heading back to Linz. Their main focus are their existing hotel guests. They now have four price models on the website. "Full Board" which includes the meals and water. And "all inclusive" option which includes a beverage package and afternoon coffee/waffles. And then you can have both packages with one excursion at each port. steamboats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Coral Posted October 27, 2022 Author #28 Share Posted October 27, 2022 5 hours ago, steamboats said: Yes, the ship is going to Vienna for a media presentation/event tonight. Then she´s heading back to Linz. Their main focus are their existing hotel guests. They now have four price models on the website. "Full Board" which includes the meals and water. And "all inclusive" option which includes a beverage package and afternoon coffee/waffles. And then you can have both packages with one excursion at each port. steamboats That is an awful pricing model. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare steamboats Posted October 27, 2022 #29 Share Posted October 27, 2022 30 minutes ago, Coral said: That is an awful pricing model. It´s not geared to cruisers but their hotel guests. steamboats 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Coral Posted October 27, 2022 Author #30 Share Posted October 27, 2022 2 minutes ago, steamboats said: It´s not geared to cruisers but their hotel guests. steamboats Well - it is not the first time a cruise line has tried something and it didn't work and they had to adjust accordingly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare steamboats Posted October 27, 2022 #31 Share Posted October 27, 2022 4 minutes ago, Coral said: Well - it is not the first time a cruise line has tried something and it didn't work and they had to adjust accordingly. Well, you have to see it from their perspective... They don´t want to act as a cruise line but a hotel brand. Same with Ritz-Carlton´s Evrima... and there´s another luxury hotel brand which recently announced that they are building a small luxury cruise ship. I assume we´re not the target group ;-). steamboats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare steamboats Posted October 31, 2022 #32 Share Posted October 31, 2022 Se here´s a little more about the MS Mozart and her future with Riverside. Sorry, but the text is in German so you need to use an online translation. steamboats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare notamermaid Posted November 3, 2022 #33 Share Posted November 3, 2022 Thank you for the link and cheers to Mr. Neumeier for the very informative interview. Very nice interior I must say. The last photo of the lounge/bar is leaning towards Art Deco. Really classy. notamermaid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare steamboats Posted November 3, 2022 #34 Share Posted November 3, 2022 2 hours ago, notamermaid said: cheers to Mr. Neumeier for the very informative interview. I´ll forward the kudos 😉 (but first DB has to get me back home). steamboats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare notamermaid Posted November 5, 2022 #35 Share Posted November 5, 2022 Was a bit confused about this as I thought Karst and Schreiner are the bosses of Amawaterways and have been since founding the company. Just a short note as the article is behind a register-to-read wall: https://www.ttgmedia.com/news/ex-amawaterways-boss-stuart-perl-set-to-return-with-new-river-line-36911 Apparently Stuart Pearl was managing director for the UK and left in 2020 (as stated in another online article). notamermaid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Coral Posted November 5, 2022 Author #36 Share Posted November 5, 2022 1 hour ago, notamermaid said: Was a bit confused about this as I thought Karst and Schreiner are the bosses of Amawaterways and have been since founding the company. Just a short note as the article is behind a register-to-read wall: https://www.ttgmedia.com/news/ex-amawaterways-boss-stuart-perl-set-to-return-with-new-river-line-36911 Apparently Stuart Pearl was managing director for the UK and left in 2020 (as stated in another online article). notamermaid They have had some good hires. They should just buy the rest of the fleet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare steamboats Posted November 6, 2022 #37 Share Posted November 6, 2022 11 hours ago, Coral said: They should just buy the rest of the fleet. The basic problem is that the rest of the fleet is more or less owned by banks. And they want their money back they loaned to Crystal. Therefore it might be cheaper to build new ships than to buy those. steamboats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Coral Posted November 6, 2022 Author #38 Share Posted November 6, 2022 7 minutes ago, steamboats said: The basic problem is that the rest of the fleet is more or less owned by banks. And they want their money back they loaned to Crystal. Therefore it might be cheaper to build new ships than to buy those. steamboats How were they able to buy this ship? Same issue or different issue? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare steamboats Posted November 6, 2022 #39 Share Posted November 6, 2022 6 hours ago, Coral said: How were they able to buy this ship? Same issue or different issue? The Mozart was no newbuildt and obviously Crystal had paid the massive renovation out of the pocket with no bank loans. steamboats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare notamermaid Posted November 6, 2022 #40 Share Posted November 6, 2022 I guess it is not much different from building a house as regards the banks. I have seen the publicly available info on the Viking ships being built with a bank loan to be paid back per contract over a period of eight years. I do not remember which ships they were but I calculated at the time that they would be paid off by 2021. Of course, you can choose to pay back faster. It is standard to have a bank in the background and/or an investor (group) for financing. The individual contracts will differ. Crystal (Genting) were very enthusiastic about the share they could get in the river cruises market with their newbuilds (saw an interview), unfortunately, together with the idea that the Mozart would do well on the Chinese market, they got it wrong. Granted, very much connected with the pandemic, but not entirely. I agree with the interviewee that the Mozart can give the luxury the new venture wants to provide but the smaller, minimally scaled-down other ships, cannot - especially with the loan in the background causing financing worries. For now, I see the future of the remaining ships a bit bleak. notamermaid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare notamermaid Posted December 3, 2022 #41 Share Posted December 3, 2022 An article expanding a bit on the takeover and plans: https://www.travelweekly.com/River-Cruising/New-river-line-plays-a-familiar-tune-with-former-Crystal-Mozart?ct=river and new from the UK with info on booking through travel agents: https://travelweekly.co.uk/news/travel-agents/riverside-luxury-cruises-unveils-raft-of-booking-offers Certainly looks promising for the re-launch of the Mozart. notamermaid 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Coral Posted December 4, 2022 Author #42 Share Posted December 4, 2022 On 12/3/2022 at 9:24 AM, notamermaid said: An article expanding a bit on the takeover and plans: https://www.travelweekly.com/River-Cruising/New-river-line-plays-a-familiar-tune-with-former-Crystal-Mozart?ct=river and new from the UK with info on booking through travel agents: https://travelweekly.co.uk/news/travel-agents/riverside-luxury-cruises-unveils-raft-of-booking-offers Certainly looks promising for the re-launch of the Mozart. notamermaid Good to hear. Service was exceptional on that vessel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare steamboats Posted December 23, 2022 #43 Share Posted December 23, 2022 According to this very short notice Riverside will also take over the other four Crystal river cruise ships. steamboats 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Coral Posted December 24, 2022 Author #44 Share Posted December 24, 2022 21 hours ago, steamboats said: According to this very short notice Riverside will also take over the other four Crystal river cruise ships. steamboats Thanks. They were gorgeous ships. Glad they are all together again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare notamermaid Posted January 5, 2023 #45 Share Posted January 5, 2023 The Clia RiverView Conference takes place in Vienna in March and the Riverside Mozart will be there: https://travelweekly.co.uk/news/tourism/start-up-river-cruise-line-to-showcase-ship-at-clia-conference notamermaid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare steamboats Posted January 10, 2023 #46 Share Posted January 10, 2023 The purchase is confirmed now. The Riverside Debussy is supposed to start Mid April on the Rhine river, the Riverside Ravel early May on the Rhône river. The Riverside Bach and Mahler will follow in 2024. steamboats 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare notamermaid Posted January 10, 2023 #47 Share Posted January 10, 2023 Thank you, saw the article this morning, great news. Some reporting from the anglophone industry: https://www.ttgmedia.com/news/new-luxury-line-riverside-acquires-four-more-crystal-river-ships-37951 notamermaid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare notamermaid Posted January 10, 2023 #48 Share Posted January 10, 2023 Still a doubt here: https://www.seatrade-cruise.com/ship-operations/crystal-river-vessels-reportedly-going-riverside-luxury-cruises notamermaid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Host Jazzbeau Posted January 10, 2023 #49 Share Posted January 10, 2023 Sounds like a better itinerary distribution than Crystal, which clustered all their ships (even the ones with French names, which were originally intended for French rivers) on the Rhine and Danube. Even with only the first three ships Riverside is covering the three big river itineraries. It will be interesting to see where they put the other two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJCruiserBoy Posted January 10, 2023 #50 Share Posted January 10, 2023 32 minutes ago, Host Jazzbeau said: Sounds like a better itinerary distribution than Crystal, which clustered all their ships (even the ones with French names, which were originally intended for French rivers) on the Rhine and Danube. Even with only the first three ships Riverside is covering the three big river itineraries. It will be interesting to see where they put the other two. We sailed Crystal on the Danube, Rhine and Moselle, which was delightful and not offered by many in the way Crystal sailed it. So now a ship will do the Rhone, which was no big deal to us because we've already done that with Uniworld. I'm just saying it just sounds like more of the same. And 3 day cruises? Who wants to fly all the way to Europe for a 3 day cruise? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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