Beyond Live Jan 8 to Jan 22

[Toscana3]

Thank you for doing this Live Report!  I know it’s a small thing, but next time you are in the Martini Bar or the World Class Bar, would you mind snapping a photo of the Wines by the Glass list?  I am particularly interested in learning what the current sparkling wine/champagne by the glass offering is.  If you can’t upload a photo, I’d be happy to learn just the brand names you see there.  Thank you!! I hope you’re enjoying your vacation! 

[mperrizo]

Sail Away out of St Thomas began around 4:00pm. The pool area was not as packed as it was out of St Maarten, still a nice crowd but nothing like the day before.

 

After a few cocktails we decided to head to the room for a power nap and to get ready. The Power Nap was nice especially with a full evening of Martini Bar, Jessie Hamilton Jr at the Theater, dinner at Cyprus followed by silent disco and a show in Eden.

 

The martini bar is always great and Herman is our favorite followed by a cast of others who are a close second. In reality they are all great but tell Herman hello! After a cocktail or two we headed to the theater for Jessie Hamilton Jr who is a soul artist.

 

We were hopeful that it was better than the other vocalist (who oddly enough was sitting in front of us at tonight’s show). The show started two minutes early which I found great as I am always early. Out of the gate Jessie was great in his 5 decade review of soul music. Stage personality and his voice were wonderful. He ended up calling up the other singer Savannah Smith, who we didn’t care for originally. Savannah’s performance with Jessie was better but still it felt like she was on an American Idol audition  when signing solo. As someone who has held a microphone, only yell for emphasis, not the entire time you hold the microphone when  singing solo.

 

If you have the chance to see Jessie on sea or on land we thought his performance was great. Following his performance we made our way to dinner and chose Cyprus for a back to back dining venue due to the service.

 

This was the first time we waited in line for a dinning venue but it was less than 10 minutes from the line to the table. This may have been the party of 12 in front of us who didn’t like the tables they were being assigned. They wanted a window view, I wanted to remind them it was dark but DW asked that I refrain from sharing the truth. We asked for our server from the night prior, William, but he was not available.

 

Once  seated dinner was as advertised at Cyprus. Though we found the food good service was  slow tonight . On a win for the drink package they were out of Cab Sav at the normal drink package levels and poored Decoy like it was ice water though still slow they kept the wine flowing,

 

After dinner we ended us back at the Martini Bar for the silent disco, due to rain on the outer decks. After a few drinks we headed to Eden for the 11pm show but found no seats at 10:35 and decided it was a next week show.

 

After a stop back at the silent disco for a second spin we decided with another 7 day to go it was time to relax and say goodnight. We still are silent disco fans but it was time to sleep.

[1960Travel]

We are Sailing April 16 on beyond first time on E class ship very much looking forward to it.  Question about the MDR , which has been your favorite so far and is it hard to get a table for two .  We have the open dining so will be trying different ones at different times also.

thanks

[mperrizo]

4 hours ago, Toscana3 said:

Thank you for doing this Live Report!  I know it’s a small thing, but next time you are in the Martini Bar or the World Class Bar, would you mind snapping a photo of the Wines by the Glass list?  I am particularly interested in learning what the current sparkling wine/champagne by the glass offering is.  If you can’t upload a photo, I’d be happy to learn just the brand names you see there.  Thank you!! I hope you’re enjoying your vacation! 

I will try and grab a shot of it tonight.

[mperrizo]

2 hours ago, 1960Travel said:

We are Sailing April 16 on beyond first time on E class ship very much looking forward to it.  Question about the MDR , which has been your favorite so far and is it hard to get a table for two .  We have the open dining so will be trying different ones at different times also.

thanks

Our favorite dish so far has been Tuscan the Pumpkin Salad, our favorite entree has been the Short Rib at Cyprus. Normandie and the Cosmopolitan where good but none of their speciality items moved the needle for us.

[mperrizo]

We are scheduled to arrive at our last at 11:15am which gave us the opportunity to go to the B2B passenger meeting at 9:00 followed by a leisurely breakfast in the dinning room. 

 

The B2B meeting can be skipped no information that we needed was not in the letter they would leave for you if you did not attend. In addition to turnaround day information the excursions manager gave us hi-lights of the next ports. The one bonus that made it worth going was at the end of the presentation one of the restaurants hostess were present and took dining reservations for the next voyage. The meeting was held in the Meeting Place and lasted about 30 minutes.

 

After a quick walk across deck four we found breakfast. The menu was identical to our last breakfast but we did try the pastries this time. I am not sure if it is an everyday thing but a warm croissant that had left the oven just minutes prior was superb.

 

Today we shared the pier with the MSC’s newest ship the Seashore. We backed in this morning and used the starboard gangplanks. The width of this pier along with  the size of Seashore which holds over 5,000 passengers made the Beyond look small. 

 

The pier area encompasses a shopping area with bars, restraints and a freshwater pool. This area combined is called Taino Bay and reminds me a lot of the Costa Maya cruise port. When we strolled through it everything was new and clean. The layout was a little odd at the entry as you are forced to walk through a large duty free store to access the smaller shops, pool, beach area, tours or the city.

 

Walking through all of the typical shops are there but in small individual buildings. Several folks were in costume posing for pictures with tourist and they had Macaws on display in three areas. The area feels very touristy and sterile of a true Dominican experience. When you exit the area at the far end you are immediately in a Caribbean downtown and in the historic Downtown center. Just a 10 minute walk from the exit of the shopping district is the fort “Fortaleza de San Felipe” that you see sailing in.

 

The overall shopping district was nice and we never were hassled but with MSC in port as well it was crowded in the morning. We did not find any open pool loungers or beach loungers. Calling the area a Beach is a little bit of a stretch as there is no water access in the pier area. If you want to sit pool side here get off ASAP. 

 

After our own explorations we headed back to the ship and the pool. The sun was intense today but nothing a cold drink with our feet in the pool could not solve. After a cool down it was off to lunch in Eden to checkout the choices and then to the buffet. In Eden they had great baguettes today with a carving station of pork, and the chocolate chip cookie. In the Oceanside Cafe it was Mexican day and it was not impressive. The food was not bad it just didn’t move the needle at all and the prep chef missed burrito folding classes.

 

Speaking to previous Celebrity cruisers they have said the food quality seems slightly diminished from what they are use to in free dinning spaces. This same group though had the same observation that the bakery department is top notch!

 

We will finish the day at the pool for some sun lounging and to await sail away at 6:00pm tonight. 

[Janie001]

7 minutes ago, mperrizo said:

When you exit the area at the far end you are immediately in a Caribbean downtown and in the historic Downtown center. Just a 10 minute walk from the exit of the shopping district is the fort “Fortaleza de San Felipe” that you see sailing in.

How did you find the walk into town?  I am seeing mixed reports about the comfort level people have walking through the vendors/tourist operators outside of the gates.  It is hard to find much information about this.  I am loving your review so far!

[mperrizo]

21 minutes ago, Janie001 said:

How did you find the walk into town?  I am seeing mixed reports about the comfort level people have walking through the vendors/tourist operators outside of the gates.  It is hard to find much information about this.  I am loving your review so far!

Janie we travel often for work and pleasure. We felt very safe and besides having to say no a few times it felt fine.

[mperrizo]

After spending the afternoon by the pool we made our way to the sunset bar to watch the sail away. The sunset may have been a sight to see from here with the island as the backdrop but as we pulled up our lines it was not to be as the clouds had other plans.

 

After sail away we made our way to the room to get ready for an evening out. We stopped by the martini bar and got a few drinks to go and made our way to the theater early to get prime seats with some ship friends for the production show Arte. Just like the other production shows sitting in the middle of the theater  if it is possible will make a world of difference as the screen is incorporated into the show. Arte was a very good production but I felt Elements was just a slightly better show.

 

Following the show a group of 8 of us went to dinner together in Tuscan. Without a reservation we were seated within 5 minutes of our arrival. Tonight was the second Chic night which meant lobster was on the menu. The tails were of good quality and had a great cook on them as no one had the rubbery texture that an overdone lobster tail can bring. No one in our group asked for a second tail though several of us asked for an additional entree to pair the tail with. 

 

Dinner with a large group was leisurely paced but not slow and from being seated to the ending of dinner took about an hour and forty five minutes. As we finished as a group so late we knew we would not get seats in Eden so we made our way to the Club to watch the  

magician Matt Johnson. Matt’s show was entertaining for the portion we stayed but just like Eden the night prior we were not there early enough and it was standing room only left available. It has been great that the ship has an alive nightlife but you have to be early if you want a seat let alone a good seat in the smaller venues.

 

After watching about half an hour of the show DW and I decided to call it a night to get some sleep and prepare for our last day at sea on the front end of our B2B.

[mperrizo]

22 hours ago, Toscana3 said:

Thank you for doing this Live Report!  I know it’s a small thing, but next time you are in the Martini Bar or the World Class Bar, would you mind snapping a photo of the Wines by the Glass list?  I am particularly interested in learning what the current sparkling wine/champagne by the glass offering is.  If you can’t upload a photo, I’d be happy to learn just the brand names you see there.  Thank you!! I hope you’re enjoying your vacation! 

This is from World Class

[Toscana3]

Thank you for doing this! 

[mizLORInj]

Wow Celebrity Vintages sparkling.  I'll be trying that one out.   

 

Thanks for all this info; I'm onboard in a few weeks.   

 

I have been to Taino Bay while on Virgin Voyages Scarlet Lady, but we were the only ship in port in Puerto Plata, and it wasn't bad with crowds that day.    It's great if you're a pool person, though I prefer the beach and water access.   

 

[mperrizo]

Today was the last full day before turnaround in Ft. Lauderdale. Last night the ship shifted back to east coast time from Atlantic time. 

 

Regretfully the curtains in our room did not get the memo and allowed too much light in which woke me up much earlier than needed. Cafe al Bacio opened at 6:30am for a much needed latte and it was off to the pool deck to read. This morning was very windy on the ship and several loungers were blown into the pool. I started to feel bad for someone who had left their beach bag but I had been reading for two hours and no one had been in sight when their bag went for a swim.

 

As the morning moved on it was time for another quick coffee and a quick breakfast by 9:30am the pool deck the solarium and the Oceanside Cafe were hopping. This was probably the busiest we have experienced in Oceanside this morning. The layout of the buffet area helped make the traffic flow smoothly and even though it was packed.  A made to order omelet was 5 minutes from getting in line to on our plates. At home it takes me that long to find the pan and crack the eggs.

 

After breakfast we returned pool side and the 10:00am announcement said we would be passing a cold front around noon. And we could expect clouds on and off all day. Despite the ominous forecast the day turned out ok just a little windy and cooler than previous days. Today in the pool area we have noticed more attentive bar staff walking around. We wondered if this was because it was close to survey day or did someone complain. 

 

At the noon hour we were serenaded by Yanna a guitarist who had wonderful vocals. If you are looking for your typical steel drum band pool side we have not yet heard them or seen them in the daily guide. The individual talents on the ship are wonderful just not the vibe we anticipated.

 

We decided to go to Eden again for lunch and skipped the Oceanside Cafe today. The other option for lunch on a sea day is the Cosmopolitan dinning room but the menu left us left than inspired when looking at the Celebrity App. Eden was once again very good and we skipped the cookie today to save room for the next 7 days. After lunch a quick stop at guest services to straighten out a billing discrepancy. Earlier in the day the line had been extremely long but we found after lunch no one to be waiting.

 

After our stop at guest services we walked the Oceanside to see the deserts displayed and then back pool side where we could tell the temperature was dropping. We enjoyed watching pool volleyball but eventually decided it was time to find a warmer venue.

 

The solarium was still crowded but we procured two loungers and began to read. After a leisurely time in the solarium we headed to the room to change and explore a little. 

 

As we walked around lots of folks were spread out using the hidden reading nooks or helping the casino stay ahead. We stopped by Captain Kate’s bug naked show and it was the fullest we have seen the club. 

 

After an espresso and a cookie from Cafe Al Bacio it was time to get ready for dinner.

[mperrizo]

After getting ready for the night we made our way to listen to the Jazz quartet. As we reminisced on our first week we find it odd that most of our new friends from Beyond are thinking about packing and their departure as we prepare for another week. 

 

Even with the change in dinning to being all my time dining we have made great cruise friends. Tonight over drinks at the Martini Bar we asked several of our Celebrity friends  their thoughts compared to previous  Celebrity cruises they have been on. Even those on other E-class ships stated that the entertainment was the best they had experienced. Some thought this may have been a rebound from the Covid effect. When we discussed dinning most thought the food quality had gone down marginally. Without sailing Celebrity before we did not have anything to compare it to but other lines and I would put the food quality just on par with our summer cruise on Royal

for included dining experiences.

 

After visiting a little we went back to Effy to collect a charm and look at a ring one more time. In several of the islands Kay’s Jewelers has a location (not the same as the USA with every kiss) that we and the family have done business with for years. We can not say enough nice things about Kay’s but this ring was calling DW name so we wanted to look one more time before we went to Kay’s in Nassau to look next week.

 

Afterward we went to the casino to catch-up with friends trying to win their losses back. We have considered our losses a donation to the Casino and will try and have them donate to us next week.any players this week said they felt the casino was not very generous as many were loosing. 

 

We were then off to the 7:30 show which was a group from Liverpool called Ukebox. Though a talented group of musicians they over played their schtick as you can only do so much as a ukulele boy band. 

 

After the show we met up with the same group of friends that we dined with previously and had dinner together. We got in line at 8:30 and were seated by 8:35. Tonight’s service at Cosmopolitan was a little quicker but not rushed by 9:30 we were done with dinner and chatting like old time friends. After our visit we took a photo as a group and off for a farewell cocktail.

 

As a B2B passenger we were resigned to the fact that next week we may not meet as cool of a group of cruising companions. We were shocked at 11:00pm how much the martini bar was still hopping as we are use to the last night being quieter. After a few toasts and goodbyes DW and I were off to bed to start our last 7 days on this B2B.

 

The second half on beyond is the western itinerary for us and we will be focusing on speciality dinning this week. Time for bed and another week on this wonderful ship. 

 

If your joining for next week say hello.

 

[LouChamp]

Aloha. Thank you so much for your posts. Wishing you all the best!

[Acruzaholic]

We are booked for the 1/22/23 sailing on the Beyond. We also got stuck with a 2:00-2:30 boarding time like you had. However you state you arrived @ 11:30 instead. Did they check your original boarding time or give you a hard time?  We also would like to arrive early like you did-but don't want to get turned away and told to wait @ port  after arriving till 2:00-2:30. Your response will be GREATLY APPRECIATED😁

[CruisinBanka]

Love your writing style and wit! Enjoying sailing along with you and look forward to the second leg of your trip! Keep enjoying!!!

[kasowell2]

1 hour ago, Acruzaholic said:

We are booked for the 1/22/23 sailing on the Beyond. We also got stuck with a 2:00-2:30 boarding time like you had. However you state you arrived @ 11:30 instead. Did they check your original boarding time or give you a hard time?  We also would like to arrive early like you did-but don't want to get turned away and told to wait @ port  after arriving till 2:00-2:30. Your response will be GREATLY APPRECIATED😁

We will be there too. Since I have no clue what you look like I will just wave at everyone and assume I said hello to you. Can’t wait.

[mperrizo]

1 hour ago, Acruzaholic said:

We are booked for the 1/22/23 sailing on the Beyond. We also got stuck with a 2:00-2:30 boarding time like you had. However you state you arrived @ 11:30 instead. Did they check your original boarding time or give you a hard time?  We also would like to arrive early like you did-but don't want to get turned away and told to wait @ port  after arriving till 2:00-2:30. Your response will be GREATLY APPRECIATED😁

We were on no issues and no questions last week.

[mperrizo]

Will be a bald guy at the martini bar this evening. Tell Herman the bartender to introduce you to Michael he knows me 😜

[mperrizo]

This morning we did not pull into the pier until 7:00am. Beyond returned to Pier 25 parking nose to nose once again with a Holland America ship. The gangways were placed on deck 5 around 7:15 this morning with a flow of people off of deck 5 beginning around 7:25. At 7:50 the first announcement for luggage tags began.

 

Joining us in port this cold 40 degeee morning is Celebrity Reflection, Holland America Eurodam and Nieuw Amsterdam, Royal’s Harmony of the Seas and Princess’s Regal Princess.

 

After breakfast in the cafe we walked around a bit as people were waiting in public spaces with baggage or hoping for elevators with space. We found the forward elevators had less traffic, just as they had most of the week and the solarium was under utilized to wait. 

 

Around 8:15 I checked Uber to the Fort Lauderdale airport and found prices from $18 to $35 depending on size of vehicle as we plan for next week. At 8:30 luggage tags 1-24 had been called and food service was discontinued in all of the venues accept Cafe al Bacio which was still open until at least 9:00.

 

This morning for turn around was interesting and overall very smooth process but lacked communication at the time. All B2B passengers who wished to remain on the ship reported to the Club at 9:00 we were checked off of a list and waited while they had coffee tea and pastries out for us. At 9:10 they made the last call over the ship public address system for all passengers disembarking today. As a group of about 100 passengers we waited until 9:35 with no communication from the staff in the room. An officer at that time said bring your sea pass and passports and let’s go. We were led off the ship where they walked us in a  line through the terminal and we qued to clear customs and immigration. After clearing we went back to get new sea passes and immediately back on to the ship. From the time we left the club to the time we boarded again took 25 minutes total. Though an easy process, communication with the group while people waited could have gone a long way.

 

The other two options for those doing a B2B were to explore the area on your own or take a Fort Lauderdale excursion. B2B guests were also invited to a consecutive cruisers lunch at Tuscan at 12:00 which we may go try.

 

We had planned to make today another sea day pool side for us but with the less than balmy weather for a second day it looks like it may be a Solarium day so we will head there for a while and enjoy the quiet ship.

 

For our new friends who are about to join us a few tips and tricks to make the week a blast. 

 

1. Treat each other with respect don’t be that person who cuts everyone in a line as you feel your vacation time is more valuable than someone else.

 

1. Where a watch there are hardly any public clocks on the Beyond.

 

1. Sober or not please do not lean against the buttons in the elevator.

 

Looking at the entertainment scheduled for the week it appears it will be the same guest performers so our focus on entertainment will be the shows at Eden and the Club this week with early arrivals to the show times.

[mperrizo]

As we settled in for turnaround day we confirmed our dinning reservations and added Raw on 5 for tonight. Bar service reopened at 11:00 and it was nice knowing the bar menus like back of hand. Just prior to the bars opening back up Captain Kate came on board and briefed the crew with a request that they use their training and expertise to wow the next set of cruisers who will be beginning to board at 11:00 as well.

 

The solarium was a great place to spend a chilly turnaround day after reading for a while we made our way to the martini bar and then to the concierge lunch as B2B guests. The concierge lunch options included a soup or salad followed by entree choices of salmon, pasta, or short ribs. I ordered the short ribs and DW the pasta but after seeing the salmon go by to another table wish I would have ordered the salmon as it looked great. Lunch was good and we skipped desert to make it back to the solarium and spa area.
 

We stopped by the spa for side by side pedicures. My nail technician seemed great, but we were in the same room as someone getting a blowout so we could not hear anything but the hair dryer the majority of the time. DW thought her pedicure was a little lackluster and they were going for the upsale, she was surprised they didn’t use a base coat on her toes so we will see how long the color lasts.

 

After we both had been pampered we took a walk around the SPA and they offered a couples pass to the Sea Thermalsuites for the week for $471, this just seemed a little rich for what it was for us so we will just turn the shower on a little hotter if we need a steam room this week. 

 

We continued to enjoy the solarium area for sail away which stared as we pulled a way from the pier for the second week at 3:50 and were clear of the channel in under 20 minutes. As we walked the upper decks we found that this sailing seemed to have either less people or less individuals interested in the pool areas. This lack of individuals could be the chilly day in Florida or it could be lower occupancy. We heard from a bartender that they were only anticipating 1700 guests this week but I have no way to qualify that or to qualify it to how many we had last week. 

 

As I finished reading for the day and less than 45 minutes from when we began sail away I made it to the pool bar were it appeared one of our fellow passengers had either become injured or fallen ill. I was instantly impressed by the speed in which Celebrity crew responded including staff from the medical center. It appears we are sailing on to Nassau so hopefully it was just a sprain or something minor.

 

As we continued towards Nassau for our port of call tomorrow we are hoping for a warmer day and less winds as we have heard reports of ships unable to dock in the Bahamas the past few days due to high winds. However if we are going to miss a port Nassau would be ok as we have been there recently.  Since we have been to Nassau so many times and have avoided Blue Lagoon we decided we should try it this time and have booked the Ultimate Beach Experience Blue Lagoon through Celebrity. 

 

In the early evening it felt like rougher seas with rocking on the ship and after getting ready we were looking forward to seeing how the Beyond’s new guest were doing getting their sea legs at the martini bar.

 

It appeared everyone had their sea legs though a few were making the same drink package mistake I did last week. When you have the drink package it is a marathon to enjoy the scenery that goes by, try it as a sprint and your better half may give you an eye roll. 

 

After the Jazz Quartets performance we did a bar tour on our way to the theater. We found the bars generally quieter than any day we saw last week. Another bartender told us we had just under 1800 this week and last week was around 1000. Ore passengers. Regardless of the true count we can see the difference so far.

 

Following our bar tour we decided to see Elements again in the main theater and listen to our own advice of sitting center stage. Elements was our favorite show last week and it dis not disappoint. It was odd that the production shows were in a different order this week. Thankfully elements did not disappoint this week either. 

 

Following Elements we made our way to Raw on 5 and caught the Chandler show before heading into dinner. The martini bar was the slowest we have seen during the past week. The production show seemed busy but not this or dinner at Raw on 5. Raw on 5 has approximately 21 tables and we were one of 5 tables seated the whole time. The Head Waiter said he only had 40 guests the entire evening booked at Raw.

 

Dinner at Raw was the best meal we have had so far in 8 days and my beautiful wife DW has a shrimp allergy. We ordered Saki cocktails that were just okay, green tea that was good, the green roof tuna roll that was fresh and intricate in its presentation, hamachi that was DW favorite, the Chicken Ginger Gyoza and the Osaka style kushikatsu without shrimp. For desert we ordered the Green Tea Coconut pana cotta and the Yuzu Strawberry shortcake. We had mixed thoughts on desert but still enjoyed both. Ala carte dinner for what we orders (minus the drinks) was $71.98 as this dinner was not included in our dinning package reservations we made for the we package we had purchased.

 

We took a stroll and stopped by a few stops who said we were at least 800 to 900 passengers less this week from what he had been told.

 

After dinner and our stroll we decided it was time to for another  stop at the martini bar. Last week at 10pm we couldn’t have found a seat, today there were only 6 of us at the actual bar. It was a little quiet tonight and DW and I didn’t want to be the life of the party and with 4 bartenders and 6 at the rail the damage was done.

 

It was time for bed with an early morning stop in Nassau. After a short stop to visit with Herman, Francesco, Bob and Kadek (who joined the ship when we did for his 9th contract) at the Martini bar we headed to bed dreaming of pier runners in Nassau tomorrow.

 

Today’s crowds reminded us of Covid recovery cruises from 2021.

[dreamer321]

14 minutes ago, mperrizo said:

It appeared everyone had their sea legs though a few were making the same drink package mistake I did last week. When you have the drink package it is a marathon to enjoy the scenery that goes by, try it as a sprint and your better half may give you an eye roll. 

…

Following our bar tour we decided to see Elements again in the main theater and listen to our own advice of sitting center stage. Elements was our favorite show last week and it dis not disappoint. It was odd that the production shows were in a different order this week. Thankfully elements did not disappoint this week either. 

I’m boarding next week and I’m going to sprint my way through my premium beverage package. Fortunately I don’t have a better half to roll her eyes at me.

 

 

I read somewhere that Capt. Kate posted on IG that last weeks production cast left today and a new cast started today.  Did you notice any difference in quality between casts?

 

Fewer people doing a Western Caribbean cruise versus an Eastern Caribbean cruise doesn’t surprise me.  I’ve been checking cabin inventory for next week and it looks like we should be sailing with about as many passengers as your first leg.

[volk904]

Which night on the eastern cruise was Evening Chic night with the lobster ? Do they serve that in all 4 dining rooms?  

[mperrizo]

8 hours ago, dreamer321 said:

I’m boarding next week and I’m going to sprint my way through my premium beverage package. Fortunately I don’t have a better half to roll her eyes at me.

 

 

I read somewhere that Capt. Kate posted on IG that last weeks production cast left today and a new cast started today.  Did you notice any difference in quality between casts?

 

Fewer people doing a Western Caribbean cruise versus an Eastern Caribbean cruise doesn’t surprise me.  I’ve been checking cabin inventory for next week and it looks like we should be sailing with about as many passengers as your first leg.

Enjoy the sprint! We believe the new cast boarded with us yesterday in Nassau and will take over from the existing cast next cruise based on an announcement we are not sure which cast it is the main theater or Eden.