Smoking on QM2 after UK ban

[GAV BOY]

I have still to see a report proving the harm of so called "Passive Smoking".

 

Where have you been?

Here's a start:

 

http://www.lungusa.org/site/pp.asp?c=dvLUK9O0E&b=35422

 

http://www.epa.gov/smokefree/

 

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/news/fullstory_41489.html

 

http://www.surgeongeneral.gov/library/secondhandsmoke/report/

 

http://www.cancer.org/docroot/PED/content/PED_10_2X_Secondhand_Smoke-Clean_Indoor_Air.asp

 

http://www.surgeongeneral.gov/library/secondhandsmoke/secondhandsmoke.pdf

 

 

http://www.cancer.ca/ccs/internet/standard/0,3182,3172_13127__langId-en,00.html

 

and on...and on....and on....

 

:D ;)

[pnhmrk]

:confused: :confused:

 

Gav Boy - Simply quoting other people's posts with a couple of smilies attached is pointless. At best it adds nothing to the discussion, whilst at worst it can cause all sorts of annoyance.

[pnhmrk]

Why are people comparing smokers to drinkers.

 

How many people have been killed or killed others as a direct result of smoking one too many cigarettes? How many times have you had to skirt a puddle of vomit (or, as you suggest urine) on the pavement? How many times have you avoided drunks on the tube?

 

I do not effect the enjoyment of other people.

 

"I'm alright Jack"?

 

A smoker effects my enjoyment whether they are being responsible or not.

 

If you don't like it then you don't need to go into a smoking area, in exactly the same way that if someone wants to smoke they won't go into a non-smoking area.

 

If the smoke and carcinogenic fumes did not make it's way into the air that I breath

 

If the fumes are carcinogenic (at least in significant amounts).

 

Had my wife been a smoker then I probably would not have wanted to ever give her a first kiss. let alone get married.

 

Had my partner not been a smoker then I doubt that we would have met more than once, I'm sure I wouldn't have kissed him, I'm almost certain we wouldn't have got our Civil Partnership. All that goes to prove is that people with like interests are attracted, it's not an argument for or against the freedom of choice.

[guernseyguy]

If you don't like it then you don't need to go into a smoking area

 

 

Malcolm,

 

If only it were this simple (by the way, I think you are living up to your self description of 'vociferous minority' admirably!).

 

I think we are confusing issues, and introducing a red herring with 'drink'.

 

As far as I am aware, no one has died in a drink-driving accident on the QM2 (the topic of this thread) or even the much longer serving QE2. I also have not had to tiptoe past pools of urine or vomit on either ship. So, I have not had experience of other drinkers detracting from my evening - indeed, not infrequently, they have added to its humour.

 

I wish it were as simple with smokers.

 

If I do not want to have a drink - its simple - I don't go to a bar.

 

If I do want to have a drink, but don't want to inhale smoke, its less straight forward. If I go to the bar, and find the non-smoking section full - (often the case, non-smokers being ~75% of UK/US population) what do I do? (I agree that sitting in the smoking section and behaving rudely is inappropriate) Also the a/c (in particular on the QE2 in the Golden Lion) is often not efficient enough to effectively render the non-smoking section 'smoke free'.

 

So, what is your advice to a non-smoker who likes to enjoy a drink, without smoke?

 

Peter

[Norfolk Brit]

I've always avoided the smoking debates on the boards in the past, but have now conducted a completely and utterly pointless poll which has no basis in science and proves that I have no life:

 

For freedom of choice: 7

Against freedom of choice: 7

Floating voters: 3

 

So, at the moment it's neck and neck.........

 

Mary

[pnhmrk]

I've always avoided the smoking debates on the boards in the past, but have now conducted a completely and utterly pointless poll which has no basis in science and proves that I have no life:

 

For freedom of choice: 7

Against freedom of choice: 7

Floating voters: 3

 

So, at the moment it's neck and neck.........

 

Mary

 

Mary - isn't it sad - as you were posting your poll I was totting up the pro choice/anti smoking. I came up with 7 for, 6 against and two floating. I wonder who I missed?:)

[Norfolk Brit]

Mary - isn't it sad - as you were posting your poll I was totting up the pro choice/anti smoking. I came up with 7 for, 6 against and two floating. I wonder who I missed?:)

 

Deeply sad, but it's keeping me away from the ironing.

 

For:

you

Jonmar

Venicecruiser

Colwill

Patwell

Anteeter

Kindlychap

me

Against:

Peter

Karie

Gavboy

Stowaway2K

Samantha'sDad

Paulista

 

Floating:

HamburgCruiser

KarenR

SeaFlint

 

Now, what this proves is that I dismally failed my maths 'O' level for a good reason and there are actually 8 in favour and 6against. I can count up to three, so the floaters remain the same.

 

Mary:)

[pnhmrk]

I think you are living up to your self description of 'vociferous minority' admirably!.

 

Vociferous I have to agree with ;) but minority? see the preceding posts.

 

I think we are confusing issues, and introducing a red herring with 'drink'.

 

If you wish to restrict the thread to its original topic - then you should reprimand Claudia who, in post #4 said "I'm assuming I can still smoke in the room at the Marriott" and paulista1950 for the drink when he said "If you drink, which I do, there is no consequences to others".

 

As far as I am aware, no one has died in a drink-driving accident on the QM2 (the topic of this thread) or even the much longer serving QE2.

 

I'm not surprised that there's never been a drink driving accident on the QM2 - you can't get a car anywhere on board! Whereas on a proper car ferry ;) like the QE2 I'm astonished if the captain hasn't had one too many once in a while! (BUT I haven't any proof:D )

 

I also have not had to tiptoe past pools of urine or vomit on either ship.

 

No - the cleaning crews are quite good! I was thinking more about ashore than afloat though.

 

I have not had experience of other drinkers detracting from my evening - indeed, not infrequently, they have added to its humour.

 

Again I was thinking more about ashore than afloat (Although the last time I found an intoxicated passenger to be a nuisance was last Christmas when we had a great job persuading this inebriated old lady that she couldn't share our taxi back to the ship.

 

If I do want to have a drink, but don't want to inhale smoke, its less straight forward. If I go to the bar, and find the non-smoking section full - (often the case, non-smokers being ~75% of UK/US population) what do I do? (I agree that sitting in the smoking section and behaving rudely is inappropriate) Also the a/c (in particular on the QE2 in the Golden Lion) is often not efficient enough to effectively render the non-smoking section 'smoke free'.

 

You mean the QM2 doesn't have a non-smoking bar? I'd like a drink in the QE2's Champagne Bar, but as the surroundings are only a small part of the pleasure of having a drink I'll forgo drinking there so that the person I'm with can feel more comfortable. (I can't comment on the Golden Lion - I don't like it as a bar and never go there:) ).

 

I'm interested in your comments about the non-smoking sections always being full - in my experience the smoking areas are the ones that are always full with plenty of space for non-smokers!

 

So, what is your advice to a non-smoker who likes to enjoy a drink, without smoke?

 

I think that it depends on how far removed from smoke you need to be. If you insist that the entire ship must be non-smoking then go on a non-smoking ship, if you're happy with something less than that go for almost any ship:)

[pnhmrk]

Deeply sad, but it's keeping me away from the ironing.

 

It's very bad - I've just recounted (and I've already done the ironing, I haven't even got that to look forward to:D )

 

I reckon that it's now nine in favour of choice, six in favour of repression and three floating (at least we can agree on that!)

 

I don't want to post who I feel is for, anti or floating; I'm not putting words into someone's mouth - it's up to them st say what they feel.

[Norfolk Brit]

I don't want to post who I feel is for, anti or floating; I'm not putting words into someone's mouth - it's up to them st say what they feel.

 

I run a democracy here, although my family do not describe it thus. All those named have the right of appeal:).

 

Mary

[SeaFlint]

Floating:

HamburgCruiser

KarenR

SeaFlint

Mary:)

 

I've been called many things in my life, but never a "floater". :(

 

I'll try to hop off the fence (I THINK), if for no other reason than to break the tie...

 

I LIKE the way the QM2 is set-up. There are places to smoke and places to not. The bars are NOT ALWAYS full of smoke, nor is the Casino. I'm glad there's no smoking in the rest of the public spaces. And I cannot seem to bring myself to complain about the TINY puffs of smoke that it is only slightly possible to smell every once in a blue moon while strolling the deck.

 

I cannot see a need to limit it further.

 

Does that qualify me for the "Ashtray-Licking Vociferous Minority" party? Or am I disqualified because I don't/won't smoke? ;)

[guernseyguy]

I reckon that it's now nine in favour of choice, six in favour of repression and three floating (at least we can agree on that!)

 

Naughty Malcolm!

 

What 'choice' is that? The choice to repress others with your second hand smoke? Or the choice to enjoy your evening without being repressed by some one elses carcinogenic, life shortening habit? :rolleyes:

 

So, I think the only thing we can agree on is 'floating'! Which, considering its about the QM2, is probably a good thing!:)

 

Peter

[Norfolk Brit]

Floating:

HamburgCruiser

KarenR

SeaFlint

Mary:)

 

I've been called many things in my life, but never a "floater". :(

 

I'll try to hop off the fence (I THINK), if for no other reason than to break the tie...

I LIKE the way the QM2 is set-up. There are places to smoke and places to not. The bars are NOT ALWAYS full of smoke, nor is the Casino. I'm glad there's no smoking in the rest of the public spaces. And I cannot seem to bring myself to complain about the TINY puffs of smoke that it is only slightly possible to smell every once in a blue moon while strolling the deck.

Does that qualify me for the "Ashtray-Licking Vociferous Minority" party? Or am I disqualified because I don't/won't smoke? ;)

 

What this makes you, Seaflint, is an honorary smoker; I can bestow no greater compliment.

 

So, my very doubtful maths makes it 9 in favour and 6 against, with two floating voters.

[guernseyguy]

go on a non-smoking ship

 

Maybe the QM2 will be :D

 

Peter

[SeaFlint]

Maybe the QM2 will be :D

 

Peter

 

If all else fails, smokers will be directed to the fantail, where sunbathers (exposing themselves to skin-cancer-causing sunlight) are willing to brave the (carcinogenic) diesel fumes which will most likely cover the scent of the tiny tobacco tubes enjoyed by the few smokers.

 

Let's see, Friends of Bill for the drinkers (right???). Friends of Dorothy. Ah, and, now "Friends of Benjamin" (known as "Friends of Ben" - nice ring to it) for the smokers. (Benjamin Duke was one of the more famous members of the Duke tobacco family, you see.) They will, of course, meet on the fantail. :D

[guernseyguy]

Let's see, Friends of Bill for the drinkers (right???).

Noooooooooo! They are the former drinkers. We'll have to think of another one for the drinkers. Friends of Gordon's?

 

Friends of Dorothy.

Quite so.

 

Ah, and, now "Friends of Benjamin" (known as "Friends of Ben" - nice ring to it) for the smokers. (Benjamin Duke was one of the more famous members of the Duke tobacco family, you see.)

 

Well, as smoking becomes less socially acceptable, I can see people sidling up to others in (naturally, non-smoking) bars and furtively saying 'Are you a friend of Ben's?' before exchanging meaningful glances.....

 

Peter

[patwell]

Mary...you have properly placed me in the "pro" category. I can understand that counting problem so I shall defer to you and Malcolm...math was never my strongpoint! And what's "ironing"...is that something you do in the UK? ;) Say hi to Martin from Bear....

 

Cheers, Penny

[SeaFlint]

Noooooooooo! They are the former drinkers. We'll have to think of another one for the drinkers. Friends of Gordon's?

 

F.O.G., huh? That's good!

 

Well, as smoking becomes less socially acceptable, I can see people sidling up to others in (naturally, non-smoking) bars and furtively saying 'Are you a friend of Ben's?' before exchanging meaningful glances.....

 

Peter

 

hahahaha! Yep, I can see that. Meaningful glances. A light touch on the shirt or coat pocket to show, you know, that you're "packing".:D

 

I actually see this happen fairly often in "the workplace." I can recall "the days" when one employee would yell out "SMOKE BREAK" and out would storm half the crew. Now, smokers slink from their own cube to the cubes of other known smokers and, with that meaningful glance but without a word, then quietly make their way out to the dark and dirty places where they are allowed to crouch or slump for a few moments while they "speed smoke" before anyone catches them.

 

Ah, the thrilling underworld of clandestine smokers. 'Think I'll take up smoking... But only those dark-wrapped brands that smell good.

 

TO THE FANTAIL, FRIENDS OF BEN!

[Norfolk Brit]

Mary...you have properly placed me in the "pro" category. I can understand that counting problem so I shall defer to you and Malcolm...math was never my strongpoint! And what's "ironing"...is that something you do in the UK? ;) Say hi to Martin from Bear....

Cheers, Penny

 

Ironing is something created by man to keep woman away from the important stuff like creating polls whereby sometimes we prove them wrong (before I get egg on my face, by the time I leap joyously out of bed tomorrow I bet the tables will have turned).

 

Martin sends his very best wishes to Bear, and says he hopes you enjoyed the trip almost as much as he did (needless to say, he forgot all about your balcony once he had wheedled his way into a Q cabin with butler, thus not deigning to mingle with the st****** passengers).

 

All the best, Mary

[SeaFlint]

Ironing is something created by man to keep woman away from the important stuff like creating polls whereby sometimes we prove them wrong (before I get egg on my face, by the time I leap joyously out of bed tomorrow I bet the tables will have turned).

 

All the best, Mary

 

While I'd LOVE to agree with you about ironing, it just isn't true.

 

There's no WAY men invented ironing because IF we had, we would understand how to run the damned things. Since we CANNOT run them, it follows that we can not have invented them. (right???:) )

[patwell]

Ironing is something created by man to keep woman away from the important stuff like creating polls whereby sometimes we prove them wrong (before I get egg on my face, by the time I leap joyously out of bed tomorrow I bet the tables will have turned).

 

Martin sends his very best wishes to Bear, and says he hopes you enjoyed the trip almost as much as he did (needless to say, he forgot all about your balcony once he had wheedled his way into a Q cabin with butler, thus not deigning to mingle with the st****** passengers).

 

All the best, Mary

 

 

Ahhh, I suspect you are right..by morning we shall be overrun...perhaps.

 

And thank you for that "ironing" explanation...I'll watch out for the ruse!;)

 

Martin is quite astute...I'd have gone for the Q too...then again he missed that tasty little can of 'Whisker Lickins" I brought just for him!:p

 

best to you...penny

[patwell]

While I'd LOVE to agree with you about ironing, it just isn't true.

 

There's no WAY men invented ironing because IF we had, we would understand how to run the damned things. Since we CANNOT run them, it follows that we can not have invented them. (right???:) )

 

 

Nice try Seaflint....my vote is with mary's explanation.

 

And save me a spot on the fantail please...I like the middle right over the wake. ;)

 

Cheers, Penny...who acknowledges she is the culprit who brought up the drinking thing, but only after the subject had widened out...is there a group for 'non-drinkers?"Have we been excluded altogether? I don't mean former drinkers...NON-drinkers. Perhaps I could suggest the "cheap date club" (CDC)?;)

[Norfolk Brit]

While I'd LOVE to agree with you about ironing, it just isn't true.

 

There's no WAY men invented ironing because IF we had, we would understand how to run the damned things. Since we CANNOT run them, it follows that we can not have invented them. (right???:) )

 

Man invented the car, but he certainly can't drive; I rest my case.

[guernseyguy]

F.O.G., huh? That's good!

 

Well spotted! Perhaps that should belong to the smokers?;)

 

I was thinking of Gin, myself. Maybe 'Friends of :

• Johnnie (Walker)
  
• Jack (Daniels)
  
• Jim (Beam)
  
• Magellan (Gin - French :eek:)

I'm sure we could go on......

 

Peter

[SeaFlint]

Nice try Seaflint....my vote is with mary's explanation.

 

And save me a spot on the fantail please...I like the middle right over the wake. ;)

 

Cheers, Penny...who acknowledges she is the culprit who brought up the drinking thing, but only after the subject had widened out...is there a group for 'non-drinkers?"Have we been excluded altogether? I don't mean former drinkers...NON-drinkers. Perhaps I could suggest the "cheap date club" (CDC)?;)

 

Well, let's see... Friends of...um...uh... Maybe, Friends of Brigham Young???

 

My wife and I don't drink (well, maybe a few glasses of wine a year) and we'd be glad to not drink with you anywhere. In FACT, we'd be PROUD to not drink with you IN PUBLIC. :) Actually, we're good people to know on those long trips. Our steward ended-up with six bottles of champagne since we didn't drink the bottles Cunard (kindly) kept putting in our fridge.

 

Cheap date, my foot. Drinks are CHEAP! Sober dates have much more expensive tastes. ;)