Not sure what will happen

[crazycanuk]

I have read this post and will let you in on the donut thing. Street racing has been a big problem up in Canada amongst our youth. The kids that race have killed or injured many people, a month ago in my town a lady was killed by 2 kids street racing. The police and federal government has now made street racing or anything related to it a criminal offence. So that is probably why your husband is having problems with our LOVELY :mad: border guards. Believe me they hassle us more when we try to get back into our own country, than the US guards do when we head down there. My hubby had a dwi when he was 24, we had to go to the RCMP and have a criminal record check before we could apply for a passport, so we can enter the US of A. A close friend of mine had a marijuana charge when he was a youth, he now has to apply to the US and pay 1500.00 if he wants to enter and that is eveytime he wants to go to the states. I just hope that the Canadian and US governments let us keep the border between us fair but open so we can welcome you anytime.

Thank you and god bless

:p

[nosnobunny]

Another Canadian chiming in. I think there's a lot more to the OP's story than has been posted. I.e. criminal charges. It certainly sounds like there's a record on file. This is merely another case of one's bad behaviour coming back to bite him on the rear. If you come up here and break our laws, you will pay the price. :rolleyes: If Customs and Immigration wouldn't let him in, they have valid reasons and it's good enough for me.

 

Beth

[momofmeg]

I wonder if some of you Canadians would be so kind as to explain to me how your Socialized Health system works. I am being very serious too, not sarcastic this time. I know most of us Americans have made healthcare a big issue in the political scene and I for one like our insurance...........we have the luxury of choice and only a $15 co-pay for office visits and everything else (tests, hospital stays, etc.) is covered at 100% by the insurance as long as we use in network doctors. My husband has pays $100 a month for the policy to his employer. I think this is great insurance and am very thankful for it but how does this compare to what Canada has? Please someone enlighten me as I really dont know.

 

That was true for us airline employees 5 years ago. In fact we had a $10 co-pay. Our insurance was free too no cost for it-only a small amount for dental. Hubby had his tonisils out in 99. Cost us nothing. Last year my daughter and hubby both had surgery. Cost us 1500 out of pocket for each surgery. Now it is up to $3000 out of pocket-we had a $300 deductable on tests and a $25 copay. We also pay a $100 a month for this. My mammogram costs us $300. After that though we had hit the deductable for me at least so we are only paying 80% for everything else. My heart stress test cost us $75 out of pocket I think. Now when I go to the doctor I think it costs us $1.25 out of pocket for the blood sugar test as we have met the deductable-before the deductable it was $5. My diabetes medication costs us like $90 a month. When our insurance was better it was $20 a month. Come Jan. Our decuctable goes to $5000 per person a year and $180 a month for cost. The co-pay stays the same. I am not sure about the deductable for tests but I do think that is cr&^p. If I got breast cancer for example it would cost the insurance a whole lot more then $300 if for example it was not caught early but that is the way it is.

 

So it depends on where you work and if you are in an industry that is be affected by the economy. When things were good for us I felt like you why do we need healthcare paid by taxes? When it affects you personally though you feel different. Also many years ago hubby was laid off-when you can't even cover your bills-you can't spend $2000 a month on cobra to keep that insurance. Our daughter is very sickly and that was a very worrisome time. (I had no health insurance with my job)

 

Now I am not trying to turn this into something politicial either-I doubt either Bush or Kerry have the power to change this. That is why I said I wouldn't mind moving to Canada if I could.

[karenh1127]

MY President is George W. Bush ...by default. Didn't vote for him, don't like him, will never like him, will never vote for him, and my 17-year old cat can speak better proper English than he can!

 

Atleast Bush doesnt speak out of BOTH sides of his mouth!!! 'Nuf said!!:p

[karenh1127]

MOMOFMEG..........I am sorry about all your healthl problems. With all my family history I am sure I will face health issues as I age. Not looking forward to that! I dont think there is any clear, simple answers for healthcare. If you help one economic group, you hurt another. We have it pretty good right now insurance wise but I can see it changing as now we pay monthly and before we didnt. One problem is the inflated cost of supplies. Tylenol in the hospital can cost you (insurance) $20 a pill! They inflate $$ to cover their loss for uninsured or illegal immigrants and the care they receive. And your're right.........dont think Bush or Kerry can easily solve the problem. At the risk of being flamed, I will say that things will probably be worse under Kerry. Good luck with your daughter and all your health issues!

[imsulin]

You're right, Karen! He can hardly speak out of just one side of his mouth!

 

"Nook-yoo-ler"

"IS our children learning?"

"turrurrists" - sounds almost like "tourists"!

 

'Nuff said.

[mcboo]

Imsulin,

I have to agree wih you. Maybe the administration is hunting down tourist and doesn't no where the WMD's (Women Making Decisions) are.

Let the flames fly.

mcboo:):):):):)

P.S. Bet he wanted to be hooked on phonics but thought it would be addictive.

[imsulin]

Amen, mcboo!

[karenh1127]

Being from Texas like Bush is, I take your callous remarks personally! You think he cant talk when it is really just our accent. So you must be making fun of all of us here in the Lone Star State. Of course Mcboo is from Florida and those folks cant even punch a voting card correctly. Now Imsulin....you wont even post where you live so I'm guessing it isnt Texas. Perhaps you are from Kerry's home state since you seem to have no class.

[DALSAL]

CNN...that might be the problem..explore a few other news sources!! Just adding my 2 cents...

[mcboo]

You may be surprised to know that I watch fox news and the O'Reily factor.

mcboo

[nosnobunny]

Will you people please give it a rest! It's bad enough to have to listen to this non-stop drivel on TV. Do we have to sling the mud here too? :mad:

 

Beth

[momofmeg]

Just to clarify myself Karen. The $5000 deductable is on a hospital stay. The insurance pays 80% of the hosp. stay until it hits $5000 out of pocket for each stay then it covers 100%. Our experience with hosp. stays is you hit $5000 for the 20% part with just one or two night's stay. It is nothing for your hops. bill to be $20000 for just one night.

 

Ofcourse fortunately that does not happen every year. Although I have diabetes I have only been in the hops. when giving birth. Hubby has twice in the last five years. Our daugher it seems like it is every 2 or 3 years for her. As my diabetes is worsening now I am afraid soon it will me who ends up overnight in the hosp.

 

But as I said insurance varies by job-we have had lousy insurance before in times past-when the economy improved so did our insurance but now that it is going the other way so is our insurance. That is why I would love a nationial healthcare thing. I would gladly pay the extra taxes for insurance even in the "good" times for the assurance I can get sick and not worry how good a job I have or going bankrupt. Maybe in the long run it costs me more but at least when I get old and sick it would not be a burden for my daughter.

[imsulin]

Well, Karen, not everybody is from Texas! I am from Colorado, lived briefly in Plano, and now live in Alabama. And, yes - I do have class! I can speak and write proper English!

[worfsmom]

~~ goodml~~ Loved your description of Canadian health care. You nailed it on the head..... might add "ask the folks from the UK how they like their health care, because the socialist way didn't work for them either". You spoke like a Nurse!!

~~ who's receipe for the brussels was that? Sounds good ~~

~~ Bush no. Kerry no. Chretian no. Martin no.... Trudeau yeah. Joe Who?

Liked Ronnie Ray Gun, Liked Jimmy, Churchill, John Paul 13, Mother Theresa,Dahli Lama 9..................... No More Politics Please...... Bring me the brussels, but not brocolli:D

[spongerob]

Oh fuddle duddle!

 

 

(Some of you from Canada should remember this!)

[CaptData]

The Canadian system above is true in most respects but in Manitoba if you have surgery in the doctor's office it will cost a tray fee any where from $10.00 - $100.00. Also to fill out insurance (sp) forms, health forms, driver medicals ect there is a fee as well. Prescription are not fully covered until you reach your minimum amount based on income per year. Dental except emergency due to a fall or accident is not covered. I went to the US, paid the equal of $700.00 CDN to get an MRI because I would have had to wait one year to get it here (possible brain tumor). Still I will not trade our system for the US system. MRI revealed I had MS.

 

As you can see most of our medical is covered which in my case is great (MS). Our medical system will also help get you a wheelchair if needed. Doctor must certify that it is required on perment basis and type.

 

We do have very long waiting list for somethings. Some things are not covered but for the most part it is very inexpensive. We have very high taxes that pay for this. I would willy pay a little more tax then lose this system that allows everyone a reasonable health system. Now if only we can keep our doctor's.

[nosnobunny]

Yes our health system has its flaws but I wouldn't trade it for any other system I've read about.

 

I recently underwent very expensive spinal surgery. My surgeon estimated the bill would have exceeded $50,000 but it didn't cost me a cent. As for the wait times, I think a lot depends on need and the hospital. I went to a teaching hospital in S Ontario and my surgery was considered to be experimental, so my wait time was only 5 weeks. I had to get my cruise on the Brilliance over first. Who says I don't have my priorities. ;)

 

Yes you Americans may get treatment faster, but you may also be broke when all is said and done. That just doesn't happen here. Everyone is entitled to healthcare. It's a basic right in Canada and one I'm extremely proud of. :)

 

Beth

[goodml]

momofmeg, I wish you the best of luck in dealing with all of your medical issues. It's surprising sometimes just how much some families have to deal with and how well they hold up. Good for you for taking it all in stride and living your life. It's inspirational and while I read that an easier ride financially would certainly change your life in terms of removing that particular stress I never once got that you were complaining about the cards you've been dealt. Meg's a lucky girl to have you as, I'm sure, are you to have her. Keep doing what you're doing. The sun's definitely got to shine on you.

[karenh1127]

I would compare Canada's healthcare as comparable with Medicaid here in the states. It is the government ran healthcare for poor people. You go to clinics and wait ALL DAY to see a doctor and they will only treat what is necessary. No elective stuff here. The paperwork is thru the roof and us working class people are the ones funding it. Atleast in Canada your tax $$ pay for your own care, so to speak. What is wrong with everyone's health insurance cost being based on their income?? Those who are poor pay very little, those middleclass pay more and the wealthy pay even more? Equality for everyone! Then maybe my taxes would go down! LOL!

[nosnobunny]

I would compare Canada's healthcare as comparable with Medicaid here in the states. It is the government ran healthcare for poor people. You go to clinics and wait ALL DAY to see a doctor and they will only treat what is necessary. No elective stuff here. The paperwork is thru the roof and us working class people are the ones funding it. Atleast in Canada your tax $$ pay for your own care, so to speak. What is wrong with everyone's health insurance cost being based on their income?? Those who are poor pay very little, those middleclass pay more and the wealthy pay even more? Equality for everyone! Then maybe my taxes would go down! LOL!

 

I'm not sure that I'm completely understanding your post, but if you believe your taxes would go down with universal healthcare, you're dreaming! You wouldn't want to pay my taxes. :eek: Still I wouldn't change our system.

 

Beth

[goodml]

I would compare Canada's healthcare as comparable with Medicaid here in the states. !

 

That would NOT be an accurate comparison.

[nosnobunny]

That would NOT be an accurate comparison.

 

That was exactly what I meant when I said I wasn't sure I understood her post. Her information was completely inaccurate and ill-informed. Who is feeding you this garbage? :confused:

 

I pick my own doctors, specialists and hospital. No one is directing me toward any particular physician. Other than a hospital emergency ward where the speed of treatment is directly linked to urgency, I book an appointment with my doctor and wait no longer than any other appointment. Everyone in Canada gets the same treatment regardless of financial situation. Don't knock it if you haven't tried it. :rolleyes:

 

Beth

[goodml]

That was exactly what I meant when I said I wasn't sure I understood her post. Her information was completely inaccurate and ill-informed. Who is feeding you this garbage? :confused:

 

I pick my own doctors, specialists and hospital. No one is directing me toward any particular physician. Other than a hospital emergency ward where the speed of treatment is directly linked to urgency, I book an appointment with my doctor and wait no longer than any other appointment. Everyone in Canada gets the same treatment regardless of financial situation. Don't knock it if you haven't tried it. :rolleyes:

 

Beth

Hey there Beth, just clarifying for a minute - was the 'who is feeding you this garbage?' directed at me? I'm thinking it was directed at the other poster but just making sure I get it. If it was meant for me I'm not sure I understand because we seem to be in agreement on the fact that we wouldn't want to be without our health care system.

 

Your last paragraph describes our sytem perfectly in much shorter fashion than I did a few pages ago. Long windedness is definitely one of my flaws.:)

[nosnobunny]

Oh no goodml, it wasn't meant for you. I phrased that paragraph rather badly I'm afraid. Yes we're on the same page here.

 

I get very frustrated and annoyed when people who don't completely comprehend how our system works feel they have the right to criticize it. They don't! :mad: And heaven forbid they actually get the facts first. :rolleyes:

 

Beth