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Well, you just won't believe this. On the Enchantment this past week a group of guys,old enough to know better, were causing all sorts of trouble. They were throwing rolls and even a wine bottle from their two tables at dinner, in the main dining room! They were dressed very shabby and had no respect for any other diners. No one minds a little fun and horseplay; but NOT in a formal dining room. There seems to me to be a "screw you, I'm doing what I want to do" attitude all over and this incident in the dining room was a perfect example. I spoke with several couples who had saved and planned for this cruise and they felt RCCL should have stepped in and thrown the guys out. I also saw shorts in the dining room EVERY night.Are pride, respect and manners a thing of the past??

 

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Hmmm. icon_frown.gif

 

Well, I don't let shorts, etc. in the dining room get to me, but well, boorish behavior like this shouldn't be tolerated.

 

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I agree, the security officers should have escorted them out and off, especially when the wine bottle went into the air.

 

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They should have been put off the ship at the next port. As for shorts, they don't seem to enforce that rule any more. They are more concerned with getting passengers angry and losing them than they are with enforcing the rules.

 

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As long as this behavior is allowed to go on without anyone doing anything about it, people are going to continue to do things like this.

 

Didn't anyone complain to the staff about what was going on?

 

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As long as they do not enforce the rules, they are angering another subset of their populace! If they have no intention of enforcing the rules, then get rid of them. IMHO.

 

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The head waiter told us they were going to speak with the "boys" but I don't know if this happened or not. They did seem calmer the rest of the nights, but the dress didn't improve!

 

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Rude or not...throwing things is dangerous and should not have been tolerated. I would be pretty angry if that happened to me on my cruise.

 

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We've only been cruising for a few years, four cruises, all RCCL.

 

I have to wonder if the drop in prices for cruises has contributed to the behaviour your folks are describing.

 

We have cruised:

Enchantment, Western Caribbean 2002

Adventure, Eastern Caribbean 2003

Monarch, Western Caribbean 2003

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The WC cruise on the Monarch was a short, four night, cruise. There were times when we where shocked. Men showing up for dinner in the formal dining room wearing "wife beater" shirts and shorts. People being rude, pushing, shoving, and in general just not playing well with others.

 

It wasn't bad enough to ruin the cruise for us, but it did leave an impression.

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LCSherwin - not flaming you but are you implying that since cruising is now affordable to the middle masses, the class of people going is lower? I've seen the "upper crust" be just as rude and obnoxious.

 

truffles2 was right - the biggest problem is that rules are not enforced and people know it. Therefore they try to get away with anything and everything.

 

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The same thing is happening with air travel, it is cheaper to fly than take Greyhound so the Airlines are now carrying the "Greyhound" crowd.

 

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I agree, the first wine bottle into the air should have been a reason to call security...that is down-right dangerous!

 

As for shorts in dining room. On our cruise in December on the Legend my husband and I took a nap after a day of port fun and woke with minutes to get to dinner. We threw on our dinner clothes (Hawaiian casual, so nothing to really dress up for) but without thinking my husband changed shirts but left his shorts on. They wouldn't let him into the dining room. Of course he was embarrassed that he forget and immediately returned to the cabin to change. So some ships are still enforcing the rules!

 

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From the point of view of Royal's responsibility, if the conduct did not occur again, can't we assume they did what they needed to do? If it happened more than once or repeatedly, then they can be chastised. But they can't anticipate bad behaviour and you can't really expect the waiters to step in or for RCL to have 'bouncers' ready to break up a dinner that's gotten a little rowdy (I'm assuming that wine bottles were not hurtling around the dining room).

 

Shorts in dining room? Well, they have expanded the market to a whole lot of non-traditional cruisers. Many of these cruisers may be accustomed to the environment in most resort areas where you can go into the finest restaurants in shorts and tropicals. I don't see it being in RCL's best interest to make a big deal of it. If someone is not 'embarrassed' about being in shorts where most everyone is in 'proper' attire, it probably would take some heavyhandedness by the cruise line to change their behavior (and lose customers at same time).

 

Don't sweat the little things, I guess.

 

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I agree. They should have been reminded where they were with the first roll in the air & escorted out when the bottle took flight.

 

Shorts: On Serenade (Jan) woman in the DR in swimwear.

 

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My DW grew up in Dallas and was raised with a touch of class. I grew up in Wichita Falls, Tx which is a much smaller farming, ranching and oil town. She is always trying to get me to improve my manner of appearance. Sometimes we have a tendancy to overdress when we go to a function that people used to dress up for.

 

We dress nicely for plays, cruises, air travel and others. It seems that nowadays casual dress is jeans without holes and nice t-shirt instead of slacks and button down shirt.

 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by checkard:

LCSherwin - not flaming you but are you implying that since cruising is now affordable to the middle masses, the class of people going is lower? I've seen the "upper crust" be just as rude and obnoxious.

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Re-reading my post, I wouldn't have blamed you for flaming me. My point was poorly stated.

 

I'm hardly upper crust, definately middle masses. One of the reasons we've gotten into cruising is because of the lower prices.

 

I guess I just stereotyped the kind of people who would wear "wife beater" tops. Incorrectly so.

 

As far as shorts are concerned, there is a big difference between bermuda shorts, cargo shorts, exercise shorts, swim trunks, and short shorts.

 

One of the reasons I like RCCL is because it isn't stuffy. You can wear a Jacket, slacks, and a tie to casual night.

 

Oh hell, I think I just better quit while I am behind.

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That's horrible!!! And to add to it that the rolls and bread are allocated (they don't put baskets on the tables anymore for "health" reasons), and just getting your bottle of wine before the main course is a miracle, these swine should have been keel-hauled!! icon_biggrin.gif

That was very wastefull! (Was the wine bottle full or empty?)

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They still turn people away on the Celebrity ships for not dressing appropriatly. No just shorts, but wearing khaki's and a button down on dressy casual night. This was a female! I was really impressed that she was turned away.

 

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TO LC

You are absolutely correct in sensing that the lower prices have brought on crowds and a lower class clientele. Not everyone of course, but the Greyhound analogy is quite apt. I think that, in much of the country, segregation is by money more than other things. I am NOT a snob, and have worked all my life in many jobs which would be considered "low-class" and have friends from all walks of life. But facts are facts.

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I also experienced roll tossing on my last cruise (Celebrity). A group thought it would be fun to toss the rolls over the second story rail towards the Captains table.

 

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I'm just wondering, if the bottle had hit anyone other than the boys throwing it, if, since the cruise line didn't stop this behaviour, they would be liable or they would say sue the perpetrators. I'm sorry but I am of the addage that this behavior was appalling. Leave the food fights for the fraternity dining room!

 

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I just had to add my $.02 Cdn.

I find that kind of behaviour absolutely unnaceptable!!

..and I don't not agree to just let it go, as it's not a big deal ("don't sweat the little things"). Why? Because pretty soon if things are allowed to deteriorate without intervention then the dining rooms will turn into HIGH SCHOOL CAFETERIAS!! ..and is that what we all want?

I don't think so.

 

And I don't think it's right to blame it on first time cruisers, either. This upcoming cruise <05-31-04> is our first, and I have done enough research here, and elsewhere, to know just how to dress, etc. for the formal/casual nights,etc.

And I too was brought up with enough manners to act appropriately no matter what.

 

So, my suggestion for the waitstaff is to "suggest that anyone who thinks appropriate dinner attire is cut-offs and t-shirts, or who relishes a good "food-fight" to dine in the Childrens dining room, henceforth"!

...but that's just my opinion...

 

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I drive my Rolls (Royce) and I'm driven to fine wine. I also like shorts (Single Malts).

 

I think that ships should be reserved for the upper classes only and they should raise there prices accordingly.

 

Ever since they have started to allow fishing (and started to charge for it) off the side of the ship, I have seen nothing but a decline in the clientele (french accented) aboard ship.

 

By the way, when my Butler does my washing on the ship, I do allow him to hang my under-pants over the side. Sometimes my washing line interferes with the fisherman on the decks above but that's their problem.

 

(Me, I'm off to waffle house for some double egg and chips)...

 

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Unbeleivable, I would of had a hard time keeping my mouth shut to the dining room manager..... I guess it's from my management days that kick into gear, they should of thrown them out, right then and there!

I have seen shorts and overhauls in the dining room several times and once on formal night no less, seems they just don't enforce the rules.

 

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