kingcruiser1 Posted January 30, 2012 #1 Share Posted January 30, 2012 The TV and web news reporting seem to be getting spottier. Info on some of the CC threads is often interspersed with off topic discussion. A "news only" thread makes good sense and would save time for those of us who wish to know the latest updates; thus, if you find news worthy info regarding Concordia, please post a summary of information (and a link address, if possible) here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmax2010 Posted January 30, 2012 #2 Share Posted January 30, 2012 I was hoping someone could shed from light. Could someone tell me what was the captain doing once the ship left the dock? I assume he was on the bridge when they left at 7:00 ish ... the next we hear is that he was having dinner with officers and the young lady. When did the course change occur ( went to manual mode ) and where was the captain? When did the captain leave dinner and go to the bridge .. before 9:42? How did the captain order dinner at 10:30 including dessert for the young lady if he was panicking on the bridge? When did the young lady join him on the bridge? Your help is much appreciated as I cannot seem to find a good timeline for the captain that coreates to the ship time log ... 1 final question - was the boat and all its engines out of power at 9:45 and if so, did the captain do anything or did the boat just float to its final destination with the current? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeaDog-46 Posted January 30, 2012 #3 Share Posted January 30, 2012 Firstly - Costa Concordia is a cruise SHIP - about 114,000 grt - probably the largest vessel to run aground - sink - ever. The boats are in davits on the ship's side. This is my take after 45 years at sea & 15 as master. The sail-by was planned & course set towards Gorgio at 15 knots. After his dinner about 2130 the master goes to the bridge - [or was called] & big-noting himself puts the steering into manual mode & steers the ship himself. [Officers statement to police] 2140 - co. is 302 deg. 15.3 knots. [from AIS] 2144 - vessel has hit rock & turning to stbd. 2146 - speed 7 kn. turning to port. About this time lose all power - steering - engines - thrusters. About 2149 one officer suggests to drop anchor - this is done - 4.5 kn. Vessel starts to turn to starboard & about 2200 is nearly stopped -1.1 kn. 2202 - ship starts to drift towards shore - NNE wind. 2248 - Stern aground. 2255 - Aground on rocks. 2315 - First boat ashore. 2330 - Captain is ashore. 0330 - Helicopter lifts off final person. Francesco Schettino is an absolute irresponsible, incompetent coward & a disgrace to the Italian Merchant Marine. His officers on the bridge are not much better. Costa will have to pay for the poor management of their ships. I would not go on a Costa cruise if I was given one & that goes for several other companies to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smurfette&Trojan Posted January 30, 2012 #4 Share Posted January 30, 2012 Live webcam of Giglio / Costa Concordia lying on her side. http://www.giglionews.it/2010022440919/webcam/isola-del-giglio/webcam-giglio-porto-panoramica.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
English_in_Spain Posted January 30, 2012 #5 Share Posted January 30, 2012 An Italian Priest said he was going for 'a week of contemplation and prayer'. It was then discovered he was on a cruise on the Concordia. He's going to have some explaining to do :eek: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/italy/9044215/Italian-priest-caught-out-lying-to-parishioners-after-Concordia-disaster.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuthlessBoss Posted January 30, 2012 #6 Share Posted January 30, 2012 The TV and web news reporting seem to be getting spottier. Info on some of the CC threads is often interspersed with off topic discussion. A "news only" thread makes good sense and would save time for those of us who wish to know the latest updates; thus, if you find news worthy info regarding Concordia, please post a summary of information (and a link address, if possible) here. At this point, stateside news is becoming non existant. The news in Europe or the Mediterranean must be reporting something due to location. For instance, we in Florida were forever getting updates on the Casey Anthony trial and events, but I'm sure the rest of the states didn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milaandra Posted January 30, 2012 #7 Share Posted January 30, 2012 2330 - Captain is ashore. 0330 - Helicopter lifts off final person. According to the harbour master's report: 0253 - Captain is seen heading to shore 0317 - Captain is identified on shore 0446 - evacuation complete Sorry, OP! I'm not sure you can have a news link only thread without people wanting clarification. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ISLANDCRUSO Posted January 30, 2012 #8 Share Posted January 30, 2012 The media have little to say now on the Concordia apart from every now and again when a body is recovered, it is no longer current news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg-nc Posted January 30, 2012 #9 Share Posted January 30, 2012 According to the harbour master's report: 0253 - Captain is seen heading to shore 0317 - Captain is identified on shore 0446 - evacuation complete Sorry, OP! I'm not sure you can have a news link only thread without people wanting clarification. Based on the earlier entries in Harbor Master log and the recorded conversations with the Coast Guard commander, it is clear that Captain Coward was off the ship far earlier than 2:53. 00.34 Schettino says he is in a lifeboat and can see three people in the water. 00.42 Schettino and all his officers are in a lifeboat. Captain De Falco [in charge of Harbour Master’s office] orders them to get back on board to coordinate evacuation. 01.45 Officer confirms rope ladder strung across the hull is safe to use. 01.46 De Falco orders Schettino back on board using rope ladder. 02.29 Three people reported hanging from the prow of the ship. 02.53 Guardia di Finanza boards ship using rope ladder and that Schettino had been seen heading towards port in a lifeboat. I believe at the times Schettino claims he was in the lifeboat he was already standing on the rocks on shore. I am pretty sure that it will be proved when he is tried that the captain left the ship between 10:55pm to 11:50pm and was standing on shore by 12:05am. This is affirmed by statements made in the indictment documents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milaandra Posted January 30, 2012 #10 Share Posted January 30, 2012 Based on the earlier entries in Harbor Master log and the recorded conversations with the Coast Guard commander, it is clear that Captain Coward was off the ship far earlier than 2:53. <snip> I believe at the times Schettino claims he was in the lifeboat he was already standing on the rocks on shore. I am pretty sure that it will be proved when he is tried that the captain left the ship between 10:55pm to 11:50pm and was standing on shore by 12:05am. This is affirmed by statements made in the indictment documents. I didn't mean to seem like I was biasing the information. The original posting didn't reference a time for being in the lifeboat, just ashore, so I included the first sighting of Schettino heading to shore. I just read the indictment document again, and I really can't see where you found that timeline. Can you direct me to the relevant part of the document? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg-nc Posted January 30, 2012 #11 Share Posted January 30, 2012 I didn't mean to seem like I was biasing the information. The original posting didn't reference a time for being in the lifeboat, just ashore, so I included the first sighting of Schettino heading to shore. I just read the indictment document again, and I really can't see where you found that timeline. Can you direct me to the relevant part of the document? I would read all the quotes throughout the English document about Schettino standing on the reef. I would also read any quotes from the Italian documents which contain the testimony of the witnesses. At this point the timeline for the captain does not add up unless he was on the shore much earlier. I expect when this case goes to trial, it will become clear that Schettino was on the reef even when he was communicating with the coast guard claiming to be in a life boat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg-nc Posted January 30, 2012 #12 Share Posted January 30, 2012 After the wreck, cruise ship crew hanker for the sea One interesting point in the article not related to the crew... "Italy's top-ranking Coast Guard official, Marco Brusco, said last week that the ship's captain, Francesco Schettino, lost "a precious hour", which made evacuating the ship more difficult. Had the order been given earlier, "the lifeboats could have been launched calmly, people could have been reassured," Brusco said in testimony to a committee in the Italian Senate." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg-nc Posted January 30, 2012 #13 Share Posted January 30, 2012 Concordia waitress hailed as a hero A waitress who guided passengers to safety and gave away her life vest before perishing on the Costa Concordia has been hailed as a hero. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg-nc Posted January 30, 2012 #14 Share Posted January 30, 2012 Lawyers Jump Into Cruise Ship Disaster Cases Soon after Mitchell Proner, a New York personal-injury lawyer, heard about the capsizing of the Costa Concordia off the coast of Italy, he sprang into action. Proner, who specializes in motorcycle-accident lawsuits, has never litigated a maritime case. But he has at least one advantage over other U.S. lawyers who might want to sue over the disaster: He speaks Italian. Within days of the accident, he hopped a flight to Italy. Once there, Proner met with an Italian consumer group, Codacons, which ultimately agreed to refer potential clients to Proner’s firm and listed the firm on its website. Proner also set up his own website (http://www.costaconcordialegaladvice.com), which features a photo of a gleaming, pre-disaster Costa Concordia. Proner’s site claims he will file a suit seeking at least $160,000 in damages for any passenger he represents, and notes that some victims “may be able to collect multiple times that amount.” (more at above url) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg-nc Posted January 30, 2012 #15 Share Posted January 30, 2012 Schettino planning legal defense Translated article provides information on the dates of the upcoming court hearings for Schettino. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smurfette&Trojan Posted January 30, 2012 #16 Share Posted January 30, 2012 An Italian Priest said he was going for 'a week of contemplation and prayer'. It was then discovered he was on a cruise on the Concordia. He's going to have some explaining to do :eek: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/italy/9044215/Italian-priest-caught-out-lying-to-parishioners-after-Concordia-disaster.html Haha. Well now let's be fair. You can take a sabbatical on board a luxury liner. Afterall, his services were needed! ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesy Posted January 30, 2012 #17 Share Posted January 30, 2012 Giglio islanders threaten to sue Costa Concordia owners The islanders of Giglio are threatening to sue Costa Cruises and its American parent company amid fears that the presence of the crippled Concordia liner will ruin their summer tourist season and deter big-spending celebrities. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/italy/9049387/Giglio-islanders-threaten-to-sue-Costa-Concordia-owners.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milaandra Posted January 30, 2012 #18 Share Posted January 30, 2012 I would read all the quotes throughout the English document about Schettino standing on the reef. I would also read any quotes from the Italian documents which contain the testimony of the witnesses. At this point the timeline for the captain does not add up unless he was on the shore much earlier. I expect when this case goes to trial, it will become clear that Schettino was on the reef even when he was communicating with the coast guard claiming to be in a life boat. Greg, this is the only one I've seen http://download.repubblica.it/pdf/2012/traduzione_ordinanza_grosseto.pdf I haven't seen any with witness testimony. Can you give me a link? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidari Posted January 30, 2012 #19 Share Posted January 30, 2012 (edited) Greg ... The link you provided did not work! Sorry, this URL is invalid http://www.la****one.it/grosseto/cronaca/2012/01/30/661267-schettino_incontra_legale.shtml Edited January 30, 2012 by sidari Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smurfette&Trojan Posted January 30, 2012 #20 Share Posted January 30, 2012 Giglio islanders threaten to sue Costa Concordia owners The islanders of Giglio are threatening to sue Costa Cruises and its American parent company amid fears that the presence of the crippled Concordia liner will ruin their summer tourist season and deter big-spending celebrities. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/italy/9049387/Giglio-islanders-threaten-to-sue-Costa-Concordia-owners.html I don't know. I watched Italian tv last night and the locals were pretty stoked at the tourism. It's their off-season and people from all over are flocking to Giglio to pose in front of the stricken ship. As they say... don't believe the hype. Or what may be a nuisance to one is a gift for others. Or something like that! :confused: :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milaandra Posted January 30, 2012 #21 Share Posted January 30, 2012 Schettino planning legal defense Translated article provides information on the dates of the upcoming court hearings for Schettino. This link doesn't work for me. Can you link the original article so we can get it translated ourselves? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg-nc Posted January 30, 2012 #22 Share Posted January 30, 2012 This link doesn't work for me. Can you link the original article so we can get it translated ourselves? Link for article on Captain's legal defense Sentence by sentence tranlation below: Schettino meets its legal and prepares the strategy difensifa A Meta di Sorrento In Meta di Sorrento Schettino e l'avvocato Leporatti hanno definito la strategia difensiva da tenere nei prossimi tempi Schettino and the lawyer Leporatti defined the defensive strategy to keep in the near future Florence, January 30, 2012 - The commander of the ship Costa Concordia, Francesco Schettino, met his defender Bruno Leporatti at his home in Meta di Sorrento, where he is under house arrest. Schettino In the meeting, and 'was informed of the state' investigation of the prosecution that the concerns of Grosseto, and assessed together with his counsel allegations made against him by investigators, especially in light of the results of investigation already 'emerged. Leporatti Schettino and the lawyer have to keep the defense strategy defined in the near future. E' quanto si apprende a Firenze da fonti legali. And 'what is learned in Florence from legal sources. L'avvocato Leporatti ha parlato con Schettino ieri e, a quanto risulta, anche stamani. The lawyer spoke with Leporatti Schettino yesterday and, apparently, even this morning. I due avrebbero discusso anche delle prossime scadenze. The two have also discussed the forthcoming. Tra queste, ci sono l'udienza fissata per il 10 febbraio davanti al tribunale del riesame di Firenze per decidere sull'appello con cui la procura di Grosseto - ricorrendo contro l'ordinanza del gip - ha ribadito la necessita' della custodia cautelare in carcere a carico di Schettino, e l'incidente probatorio del 3 marzo sulla 'scatola nera', per cui Schettino ha valutato con il suo difensore da quali consulenti di parte farsi affiancare. Among these, we are hearing set for Feb. 10 before the court of review on appeal of Florence to decide with whom the attorney of Grosseto - recourse against the order of the investigating judge - has stressed the need for 'pre-trial detention in prison against Schettino, and evidence of the incident on March 3 'black box', so Schettino assessed with his defender from the consultants who help themselves. Nei colloqui l'avvocato Leporatti avrebbe sottoposto all'attenzione di Schettino una serie di documenti dove le accuse di naufragio, abbandono della nave, abbandono di persone in difficolta' e omicidio plurimo colposo vengono circostanziate sulla base di fatti e testimonianze. In the interviews the lawyer would have brought to the attention of Schettino Leporatti a series of documents where the allegations of the sinking, abandon ship, leaving people in trouble 'multiple murder and manslaughter are based on facts and circumstantial evidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg-nc Posted January 30, 2012 #23 Share Posted January 30, 2012 The link still does not work... something with the Cruise Critic boards alters it to remove a term that referred to people in a political party in Germany in the 1930s. Here is the link posted in two parts - just put them together in a browser to get the original link. http://www.lana zione.it/grosseto/cronaca/2012/01/30/661267-schettino_incontra_legale.shtml Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QM1 Posted January 30, 2012 #24 Share Posted January 30, 2012 ... About 2149 one officer suggests to drop anchor - this is done - 4.5 kn. Vessel starts to turn to starboard & about 2200 is nearly stopped -1.1 kn. 2202 - ship starts to drift towards shore - NNE wind. 2248 - Stern aground. ... Whats with the anchors? If they dropped them at 21.49, how come it stranded? Schettino must have made the decision to strand the ship later on, and ordered the anchors to be weighed. Or didnt the anchors hold the ship due to the rocky seabed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smurfette&Trojan Posted January 30, 2012 #25 Share Posted January 30, 2012 Whats with the anchors? If they dropped them at 21.49, how come it stranded? Schettino must have made the decision to strand the ship later on, and ordered the anchors to be weighed. Or didnt the anchors hold the ship due to the rocky seabed? In the video of the anchors, there wasn't any drag and plenty of chain. I was wondering the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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