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I still think it's a bad idea. Sorry to hear that's how it's handled on Royal as most of the X changes seem to be to Royalize everything.

Wow, just wow. What does age have to do with anything? Yes, most Zeniths are not in their 30s as it can take a lot of sailings to get that level. But that has zero to do with anything. And for your information it wasn't always just a suite area as you state. It's a Retreat area, which until Covid was offered to Zeniths and upper level Blue Chip cruisers as well as suites. So they also had the "right" to be there as you call it. Celebrity also promised that right would be restored, but that was untrue. Perhaps that promise will now once again be fulfilled.

100% agree. On cruises I cringe looking at all the crazy people frying themselves in the sun, probably so they can go back and flaunt their fabulous vacation. A good friend watched her husband go through many agonizing years suffering with melanoma before dying in his early 50s. A pretty tan is just so not worth dying for!

Exactly. The space available idea is rife with issues of all kinds. And who decides these things? Is it based on a certain number of suite passengers or Zeniths? Or will it be at someone's whim, like it is for lunches or dinners? I'm also wondering if they plan to add this access then take away all the lunches or dinners. With all emphasis these days on bringing in newer, younger passengers I just can't see them bending over backwards for Zeniths. I hope I'm wrong.

So true. You usually can't even get the small servings of that snack mix they used to provide at bars. Of all the cruises I've been on since restart I think we only had it on one ship.

Agree. I should have specified that when it was turned into a suite lounge it was only upper suites.

Agree. But the way they are making changes these days no one can accurately predict what's coming. I am of the opinion though that they will not add that benefit to Zenith.

I've never had trouble finding a seat. But I definitely had problems finding a good seat, especially one in the shade.

You are correct. My bad. People can have plenty of money and prefer to book other cabins. Or conversely save up to splurge on a suite.

Don't give them ideas! I think initially Michael's Club access was only upper level suites

I guess I'm wondering, as Retreat decks were a very new thing pre-Covid. They actually have the most space so it seems kind of strange that it would be limited to the lounge. I would assume not Luminae as that could possibly get too crowded. But I use the lounge the most when in suites so I'd love to have that back when I'm not.

You're right I often wouldn't know unless I saw them in Luminae or the Retreat when I am in suites. Or by seeing their cruise card. I just haven't found, when I am in suites, people who are more or less rude, snobby, entitled or whatever than anyone else. Money doesn't mean manners. But it also doesn't mean lack of manners.

Your assessment is wrong. Yes, I sometimes sail in suites. And sometimes in inside cabins, ocean view cabins, balcony cabins, and everything in-between. I have encountered rude and obnoxious fellow passengers in all types of cabins, fortunately not very often. I honestly think it is very likely the rude person was attempting to be funny and the OP didn't get the joke and overreacted ( and if a joke it was admittedly a bad attempt at one).

Just read that also. It's about time that came back! Does it include the deck as well as the lounge do we know?

My favorite ship is Equinox. I've probably sailed her the most and have made years long friends with some of the staff. I am not a huge fan of E class ships. I need a real balcony, and find them too crowded and noisy to my taste (although I have only been on Apex, and am trying Ascent next year). They do have the best Retreat areas.

So your idea of handling this would have been to physically attact him (your own words, fisticuffs)? Not sure what that says about having good manners. If he was not joking (and are you sure about that?) I would have been mad also, and perhaps said something. But fisticuffs? Honestly I really suspect he was joking (admittedly very inappropriately - I am not defending it) and perhaps your reaction was a little extreme based on what you said it would have come to? Only you can honestly make that assessment.

True, that can sometimes happen as well

I think you are correct.

In addition to other points mentioned, if there is motion to be felt, it is felt more all the way aft or forward. With a lot of sea days that could be a consideration for anyone prone to seasickness.

Honestly I'm kinda put off by the title of your thread. Most suite passengers would never in a million years do or say something like that. They are no more or less rude than any other group of passengers. Is it possible that perhaps he was trying to be funny? Obviously he was not, but sometimes especially with a few libations people think they're comedians. See it all the time on these boards as well as other social media. Not appropriate for sure, but perhaps not meant as ill intentioned as it certainly seemed.

For sure!

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$79 for a sailaway!?!? That is just plain crazy. I don't care what the port is I would never pay to do that. It's not that great to begin with. We've done it, but often skip invites as it's more comfortable on our balcony or an outside deck.

I agree plan an hour. On our March cruise it took about 30 min to get to the airport and then 30 more to get to the gate area. It was madness. Bumper to bumper to bumper. And that was without any accidents or major issues on the roads

And yet on our cruise out of San Pedro this past March there definitely was surge pricing. I agree it tends to be an older crowd that doesn't use Uber as much. All the more reason for Uber to try to get as much $$ as they can. I'm not claiming it always happens, but it doesn't hurt, and very well may help, for people to book ahead of time. Since it costs no more, why not pre-book to be confident you are getting the best price.