Smokiness of the Ships

[dei6360]

[quote name='CXR']Again, not a smoker myself, but if that's your solution then you'd better bring at least half a dozen of those gizmos. Good luck.[/QUOTE]


I am not talking about the smoke all around, I am talking about the smoke coming from someone smoking right next to me. So the most I would need is 2. One on each side of me.

[CXR]

[quote name='dei6360']I am not talking about the smoke all around, I am talking about the smoke coming from someone smoking right next to me. So the most I would need is 2. One on each side of me.[/QUOTE]

Ahhhh gotcha... OK, well if it were me, I would ask nicely that they not blow smoke directly in my face (no excuse for that), and if they get pissy about it, [b]then[/b] whip out the trusty fan. Just my 2¢ If that doesn't work, you could either start burping, sneezing or farting, picking your nose, etc. and maybe the rude person will move away. :rolleyes:

[dei6360]

[quote name='CXR']Ahhhh gotcha... OK, well if it were me, I would ask nicely that they not blow smoke directly in my face (no excuse for that), and if they get pissy about it, [b]then[/b] whip out the trusty fan. Just my 2¢ If that doesn't work, you could either start burping, sneezing or farting, picking your nose, etc. and maybe the rude person will move away. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

Of course I would not do it if the smoke was not coming my way, but you as a non smoker must know smoke always seems to follow the non smoker.

I have been at bars with people who smoke and the smoke comes over to where I sit so I move to the other side of them and then the smoke goes there.

If the smoke was not coming towards me I would not have any reason to blow it away. :)

[CXR]

[quote name='dei6360']Of course I would not do it if the smoke was not coming my way, but you as a non smoker must know smoke always seems to follow the non smoker.

I have been at bars with people who smoke and the smoke comes over to where I sit so I move to the other side of them and then the smoke goes there.

If the smoke was not coming towards me I would not have any reason to blow it away. :)[/QUOTE]

I don't mind if somebody lights up or packs a lipper while sitting next to me, but if they blow smoke directly into my face then I have a problem with that.

[zalusky]

Why cant they build ships with serious ventilation and satisfy everybody.

[justaknucklehead]

It wouldn't matter how great the ventilation system was, believe me, a person who hates smoking can smell the smoke when you light the match. I've seen it happen.

[dei6360]

By the way we were on the next to last Paradise non smoking cruise and it was great.

The reason that Paradise was becoming a smoking ship was on average they were making apx. $300 less per person than any other ship in there fleet, also it was an older ship that went on the same itinerary.

Yes this was mostly due to drinking and the casino. It is a know fact that a lot (not all) of people who are addicted to smoking have addicted personalities. So it is also easy to get addicted to other things to such as alcohol and gambling.

Since Carnival is a publicly traded company its shareholders did not care why Paradise was loosing money just how to stop it from loosing money.

I don't remember the number of passengers on carnival but if it was 2000 and they were losing 300 per person, (yes this includes all passengers even kids, because some people spend more or less on a ship), then that would be $600,000 each week they were losing by not making it a smoking ship.

I think cruise lines should really take a look at making 1 or 2 trips a year on a ship non smoking. Charge 300 or 400 pp more for these trips so the lines do not loose any money. Also change up the ships and itineraries each year.

I really think that over time cruise lines will gain passengers who would have never thought about cruising on a ship that allows smoking. Since a lot of people only cruise once maybe twice a year they could plan their vacation around the non smoking cruise. Even make non smoking cruises during the off season.

[justaknucklehead]

I believe the problem is the group sales. Group sales on low on nonsmoking ships because it cuts out a percentage of the population. It's pretty hard to fill a ship, one cabin at a time.

[sk8man]

[quote name='justaknucklehead']It wouldn't matter how great the ventilation system was, believe me, a person who hates smoking can smell the smoke when you light the match. I've seen it happen.[/QUOTE]

You know, I really think you're right about that. I stopped smoking about 10 years ago. I swear I can now smell cigarette smoke from two blocks away, when before I couldn't smell it all. The funny thing is, the smoke just smells "bad". That being said, I believe smokers have rights too. Just be mindful of the folks around you. Oh, and non-smokers should lighten up too. If you don't like the smoke, don't go in the smoking area, and if you smoke, don't smoke in the non smoking areas. It seems, just, so simple. LOL LOL :D

[Shanafan]

[quote name='CXR']Ahhhh gotcha... OK, well if it were me, I would ask nicely that they not blow smoke directly in my face (no excuse for that), and if they get pissy about it, [b]then[/b] whip out the trusty fan. Just my 2¢ If that doesn't work, you could either start burping, sneezing or farting, picking your nose, etc. and maybe the rude person will move away. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

What about those of us whos farts don't stink? :rolleyes: :D Kidding ........just trying to make light of a situation that tends to get out of hand.

[Shanafan]

[quote name='justaknucklehead']I believe the problem is the group sales. Group sales on low on nonsmoking ships because it cuts out a percentage of the population. It's pretty hard to fill a ship, one cabin at a time.[/QUOTE]

That could be partically true. We did the Paradise and it was nice, but I don't want to do the same ship, same itinerary every time I cruise. Too many islands to see, and ships to explore to be stuck on the same one every time.

[dei6360]

[quote name='sk8man']You know, I really think you're right about that. I stopped smoking about 10 years ago. I swear I can now smell cigarette smoke from two blocks away, when before I couldn't smell it all. The funny thing is, the smoke just smells "bad". That being said, I believe smokers have rights too. Just be mindful of the folks around you. Oh, and non-smokers should lighten up too. If you don't like the smoke, don't go in the smoking area, and if you smoke, don't smoke in the non smoking areas. It seems, just, so simple. LOL LOL :D[/QUOTE]

The problem is not that simple though. As I said in an earlier post we like to go to the casino. There is no non smoking casino on a cruise ship so I can not just go to the no smoking area.

I could care less about the smoking and non smoking side of a ship when you're by the pool. That smoke just blows away. I don't care if you smoke in your room or on your balcony that's your choice.

It is the public places that I along with smokers like to go to that can get to a non smoker. I believe that as time goes on and more and more states make stronger no smoking policies that ships will start having non smoking bars.

Why not have 1 one each ship?

Again as I said in an earlier post cruise lines should offer non smoking cruises at least once a year. Charge extra I am sure that people would pay.

[sk8man]

[quote name='dei6360']The problem is not that simple though. As I said in an earlier post we like to go to the casino. There is no non smoking casino on a cruise ship so I can not just go to the no smoking area.

I could care less about the smoking and non smoking side of a ship when you're by the pool. That smoke just blows away. I don't care if you smoke in your room or on your balcony that's your choice.

It is the public places that I along with smokers like to go to that can get to a non smoker. I believe that as time goes on and more and more states make stronger no smoking policies that ships will start having non smoking bars.

Why not have 1 one each ship?

Again as I said in an earlier post cruise lines should offer non smoking cruises at least once a year. Charge extra I am sure that people would pay.[/QUOTE]


Ok, but when you go to the casino, you know there are going to be smokers. You make the decision to go. I wouldn't think that two casinos would make much economical sense for the cruise lines. I also think there are enough rules and regs when it comes to smoking. In Dallas, the city decided there should be no smoking in restaurants or bars. In effect they took away the business owners right to make decisions for themselves. At the end of the day, the consumer should make the choice. If a person doesn't like smoke, they don't go to a place that allows it. Vice versa, if you smoke, you wouldn't go to a non smoking establishment. See what I mean? Anyway, your idea of a non smoking cruise is a good one, although I can see people getting upset they have to pay more just so they don't have to smell smoke. I think it will always be a battle. :o

[dei6360]

[quote name='sk8man']Ok, but when you go to the casino, you know there are going to be smokers. You make the decision to go. I wouldn't think that two casinos would make much economical sense for the cruise lines. I also think there are enough rules and regs when it comes to smoking. In Dallas, the city decided there should be no smoking in restaurants or bars. In effect they took away the business owners right to make decisions for themselves. At the end of the day, the consumer should make the choice. If a person doesn't like smoke, they don't go to a place that allows it. Vice versa, if you smoke, you wouldn't go to a non smoking establishment. See what I mean? Anyway, your idea of a non smoking cruise is a good one, although I can see people getting upset they have to pay more just so they don't have to smell smoke. I think it will always be a battle. :o[/QUOTE]

Smokers also make the decision to smoke. I never said make 2 casinos.

I have heard the ole... Bars and Restaurants will lose business complaint 3 times now (Florida, Mass., and Cali). You know what; a year later after the no smoking ban went into effect most places were still in business.

Over the years these places have become non smoking but this is what people said before they were non smoking.

Remember when you could smoke on an airplane - people said that business would suffer.

Remember when you could smoke while buy groceries - people said that stores would go out of business.

Remember when people could smoke at their desk while at work - people said it would hinder a companies production.

Now day's companies are firing people because they smoke. They say that if a person does not quite smoking then they have to pay more money each month on that person for insurance.

One day (maybe not in the nest 10 or 20 years but someday) cruise ships will be non smoking, or allow smoking only in small areas.

I agree with an earlier post that non smokers need to continue to fill out forms that request more non smoking parts on a ship.

I again think that this whole debate could be solved by providing 1 or 2 non smoking cruises each year. I know that we would have no problem spending more money for a cruse knowing that it will be smoke free.

Remember this web site is just a small percentage of all people that cruise and there are a lot of people out there either smoke or do not smoke and they feel the same way we do.

[Nessa1dc]

[quote name='dei6360']Wanted to know if any smokers would have a problem with the smoke being blown back at them.

I am a ex smoker and yes smoke bothers me more now than it used to. However I like to go to the casino.

I don't mind people smoking around me but it never fails when I sit at a table to play someone next to me lights up.

I told my DW that on our next cuise I was going to take our little spray bottle with a fan on top of it into the casino. This way when someone lights up I can just point it at them and have the smoke blow back towards them.

She told me I should not do this she thought it would make the person who was smoking upset. I did not think it would. The fan is not strong enough to blow ashes, and the person somking is not bothered by the smoke so why not have it blow back to them.

Would really like some smokers honest replys to this.[/QUOTE]

It wouldn't bother me in the least; however, the person next to me where the smoke is being blown, may have some issues.:rolleyes:

[vijoge]

[quote name='Tybio']That just combines to of the more idalog debates into one sentence! Now we can debate todlers in the pool AND the parents smoking! Alright, who's first?![/QUOTE]

I pee in the pool and let the kids smoke.:D

[trishalee]

iT WOULD SEEM TO ME THAT YOU HAVE A CHOICE TO MAKE. IS IT MORE IMPORTANT TO YOU TO BE SMOKE FREE OR GO TO THE CASINO? THE AREAS ARE 90% SMOKE FREE, SO WHY DO NON-SMOKERS HAVE TO ELBOW THEIR WAY INTO THE PALTRY 10% LEFT FOR SMOKERS AND TRY TO HAVE THEIR WAY THERE TOO? I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND THE CONCEPT THAT EVERYTHING MUST SUIT ANY GROUP, PERSONALLY,:cool: ALL THE TIME.

[worldsbestcandles]

[quote name='trishalee']iT WOULD SEEM TO ME THAT YOU HAVE A CHOICE TO MAKE. IS IT MORE IMPORTANT TO YOU TO BE SMOKE FREE OR GO TO THE CASINO? THE AREAS ARE 90% SMOKE FREE, SO WHY DO NON-SMOKERS HAVE TO ELBOW THEIR WAY INTO THE PALTRY 10% LEFT FOR SMOKERS AND TRY TO HAVE THEIR WAY THERE TOO? I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND THE CONCEPT THAT EVERYTHING MUST SUIT ANY GROUP, PERSONALLY,:cool: ALL THE TIME.[/QUOTE]

Just 2 questions:

1) Does this really make you that mad that you need to shout at us, or did you not realize you were typing in all caps?

2)Just wondering where the math comes from that you can only smoke on 10% of the ship? When you add up the bars, the casino, half of the decks, potentially all cabins and balconies.... that there sounds like more than 10% of the ship... just asking....

[John44]

[quote name='trishalee']iT WOULD SEEM TO ME THAT YOU HAVE A CHOICE TO MAKE. IS IT MORE IMPORTANT TO YOU TO BE SMOKE FREE OR GO TO THE CASINO? THE AREAS ARE 90% SMOKE FREE, SO WHY DO NON-SMOKERS HAVE TO ELBOW THEIR WAY INTO THE PALTRY 10% LEFT FOR SMOKERS AND TRY TO HAVE THEIR WAY THERE TOO? I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND THE CONCEPT THAT EVERYTHING MUST SUIT ANY GROUP, PERSONALLY,:cool: ALL THE TIME.[/QUOTE]


There is no such thing as a area that is 90% smoke free smoke pollutes the complete area that it is in, the smoker might stick to the smoking area but the smoke does not understand and drifts into the non smoking area,

It is time that smoking is only allowed in a well defined enclosed areas where the smokers can smoke themselves to death, it might even save them money because they could take up secondary smoking and not bother to light up, if they would stay in their enclosed area we would not only benefit from the smoke not drifting into our non smoking area we also would not have to put up with the smell of them.

[trishalee]

Sorry - I didn't know all caps meant "shouting." I certainly didn't mean to shout at anyone. My 90%/10% reference was a generalization - not to the ship particularly, but to restaurants, airports, sports arenas, etc. There are so few places that accommodate smokers anymore that we become resentful when people invade our 10%. Even on the ship, I don't see how anyone is offended that there are a couple of OPEN DECKS on the starboard side where we can smoke. There are precious few indoor PUBLIC areas set aside for smokers - 10% or less. So if you don't want to be offended, stay in the non-smoking areas. I didn't think saying this was nasty - just common sense.

[CXR]

[quote name='John44']There is no such thing as a area that is 90% smoke free smoke pollutes the complete area that it is in, the smoker might stick to the smoking area but the smoke does not understand and drifts into the non smoking area,

It is time that smoking is only allowed in a well defined enclosed areas where the smokers can smoke themselves to death, it might even save them money because they could take up secondary smoking and not bother to light up, if they would stay in their enclosed area we would not only benefit from the smoke not drifting into our non smoking area we also would not have to put up with the smell of them.[/QUOTE]

Well until that policy changes, you are making a conscious decision to go on a smoking ship. If that bothers you, then stay home. I'm not a smoker, but if you're such a wuss that a passing whiff of smoke is going to get your panties in a wad, then stay home.

[Shanafan]

[quote name='CXR']Well until that policy changes, you are making a conscious decision to go on a smoking ship. If that bothers you, then stay home. I'm not a smoker, but if you're such a wuss that a passing whiff of smoke is going to get your panties in a wad, then stay home.[/QUOTE]

A whiff of smoke is one thing. Sitting with it going up your nose, in your eyes, clinging to your hair and clothes is another. To me it is a huge difference.

[wrp96]

[quote name='trishalee']Sorry - I didn't know all caps meant "shouting." I certainly didn't mean to shout at anyone. My 90%/10% reference was a generalization - not to the ship particularly, but to restaurants, airports, sports arenas, etc. There are so few places that accommodate smokers anymore that we become resentful when people invade our 10%. Even on the ship, I don't see how anyone is offended that there are a couple of OPEN DECKS on the starboard side where we can smoke. There are precious few indoor PUBLIC areas set aside for smokers - 10% or less. So if you don't want to be offended, stay in the non-smoking areas. I didn't think saying this was nasty - just common sense.[/QUOTE]

The only problem with that is the Casino is completely smoking. If you are a non-smoker that wants to go into the casino, you are out of luck.

I'm a non-smoker but I don't mind that areas are set aside for smokers, I just avoid those areas and hope that the smokers will pay attention to the non-smoking signs (most of them do, but it always seems like there is one that doesn't). I know that for many a smoker, being unable to smoke on a cruise would make it just as uncomfortable (maybe impossible) for them as it would be for me to be around smokers all the time.

[CXR]

[quote name='Shanafan']A whiff of smoke is one thing. Sitting with it going up your nose, in your eyes, clinging to your hair and clothes is another. To me it is a huge difference.[/QUOTE]

Well, nobody's forcing you to be around the smoke. Stay home.

[sk8man]

[quote name='CXR']Well, nobody's forcing you to be around the smoke. Stay home.[/QUOTE]
Theres that attitude we all love LOL j/k, lighten up. :D