Woman attacked on RCL ?

[jbond]

Here's a thread. http://abcnews.go.com/Primetime/story?id=1541034

 

It happened August 2004, but it took the family a long time to find out how/where she had disappeared. No matter who you believe in this one, RCI looks really bad.

[MrsPete]

Heard part of news this morning about a woman attacked on a RCL by a staff member? Anyone hear the whole story?

If the other thread's information is correct, the woman was in a bar until 3AM -- I'm sure she was quite drunk -- then she agreed to go on a "private tour of the ship" with the crew member -- probably a charming man, but also a complete stranger. If this is true, she used extremely bad judgement. While it's not her fault, she certainly did put herself into a dangerous situation and left herself venerable for such an attack.

[LoveTheDeepBlue]

Here's a thread. http://abcnews.go.com/Primetime/story?id=1541034

 

It happened August 2004, but it took the family a long time to find out how/where she had disappeared. No matter who you believe in this one, RCI looks really bad.

 

How odd that RCI isnt doing much about this and appears to be writing it off as a suicide. Why wouldnt they contact anyone?

 

RCI fans where are you?

[parrotthead]

Did she try wearing jeans into the dining room on formal night? :)

ROTFLMAO!!!:D OMG, I almost spilled my coffee, I laughed so hard...(thank you):p

[Weez]

Here's a thread. http://abcnews.go.com/Primetime/story?id=1541034

 

It happened August 2004, but it took the family a long time to find out how/where she had disappeared. No matter who you believe in this one, RCI looks really bad.

 

Thanks for the link jbond. Im absolutely amazed at the response RCI gave. It's no wonder the cruise industry has such a black eye right now and its absolutely deserved with problems like this.

[cruiser_carol]

On all of the other threads referring to The Smith case, RCI fighting back, missing persons etc. etc. there has been almost overwhelming defense of the cruise lines at all cost. The victims, whatever the circumstances, have been portrayed in all sorts of calous ways. Many stating they basically got what they deserved. Endless people saying "poor RC. they are being targeted. This is a RC forum..so obiviously it is their line we are speaking about. ALL Cruiselines have problems..same as anywhere else in life where a couple thousand people...of different walks of life... gather together. Especially when drink is involved. this Fear for the Company is Loyalty gone stupid. If an incident isn't reported that is when to worry.

 

Before I continue, I am a Big fan of RC..I come from Miami originally, and they are part of my growing up years. they began their business in my teen years. I love their ships, the wonderful crew and staff that look after us so well and the fantastic ports they visit. But it does not mean things are perfect all the time..or that mistakes don't happen. There is less risk on a cruise no questions asked...you are very safe. But Everyone is responsible for a cruise..passengers and The ship and its' staff as well. It is not an attack on RC.. or any other line to make this comment.

 

I take offense that every case is sighted that people are out only for money.Is it really that easy to gain cash from a Big Corporation? RC are a Multi Billion dollar corporation with tons of lawyers that would easily destroy anyone trying to sue for an incident that could be shown to be part their fault in any way. So those that are out for that reason, getting on the bandwagon as it were, will soon be exposed. Something I certainly wouldn't risk taking on.They are very capable to handle these cases and we are all still loyal customers..and will continue cruising with them.

 

The Smiths' had the prominence to have a force behind them that also brought them into the limelight and also brought focus to other cases as a result. In normal circumstances we would not even be publicly aware of the majority of incidents. They are settled quietly..without sensationalism. This is why all these cases from the past couple years are suddenly in the media..due to the Smiths.

 

Take the Smiths out of the scenario..and put an ordinary couple in their place that were not so obviously in the limelight onboard. A man appears drunk..unable to walk...should it be acceptable for 4 men to carry a passenger away to another unknown part of the ship? He could be drugged..taken against his will to be robbed. Why did security or bar staff not deal with it? That is my only question in their judgement on the Smiths and that they didn't check further and follow up the siuation when they found Jen. they should have looked into the siuation more carefully in light of all the commotion reported there and the husband missing at 5 am. also checked the balcony.

 

There was a A drunk on our cruise to the med on the LOS. A woman.causing a disturbance.. .. they were escorted away by security and she was a mature woman with her husband and was simply being very rude to staff. Yet the Smith couple had just met these men onboard... were allowed to go wild on a nightly basis...get in fights... drink illegal substances...carry George away..find Jennifer crashed out in a corridor..(from a cabin that had an incident minutes earlier)...and later these same guys involved in a video a sex act..possibly rape. I say that the cruise line could easily have taken control of these people..asked them to settle down or leave the ship and avoid much of the chaos that has ensued. If it were on land...in this country at least...the POLICE would have been called at some point. Same applies for The woman alone on the cruise..the family were treated apallingly. the ship had passport, wallet etc. They could trace her families whereabouts without too much difficulty I am sure.

[rcicruiser]

Wow, I hadn't heard of this incident either. Thanks for the info, i'll try and search the board for more details.

 

A woman had board the ship on the Mercury for the cruise. She did not tell anyone in her family where she was going. She disappeared of the ship. It was a suicide. The cabin steward noticed that for a coiple of days she was not in her cabin. He reported it to his supervisor who told him not to worry about it. When the cruise ended they took the few belongins she brought and gave them away.

 

The family had reported her missing a few weeks after the cruise. The FBI looked into her credit card statements and found out she had booked a cruise which she did not tell her family about. The FBI called Celebrity and when they looked into the found out what the supervisor had said to the cabin steward and they fired him for not following company procedure. The woman did not leave the cruiseline with any emergency contact information. It was not a cover up, it was just someone not following procedure.

 

As far as the woman who was raped, Royal Caribbean immediately contacted the FBI, police in TAmpa and the Mexican police in Costa Maya where the ship was docking. The woman did not want to file a complaint in Mexico, so Royal Caribbean kept the man locked up until they got back to Tampa. The FBI refused to investigate, so the police have filed charges against him. Royal Caribbean has fired the man. So I do not see any coverup any where.

[ORANGEinINDY]

Did she try wearing jeans into the dining room on formal night? :)

ROTFLMAO!!!:D OMG, I almost spilled my coffee, I laughed so hard...(thank you):p

WOW... I'm glad SOMEONE else noticed that gem. With all the barbs flying back and forth (some fun in its own right) I was reading through this thread and thought nobody got that one. Hope she wasn't wearing the dreaded flip-flops as well!!

[cruiser_carol]

A woman had board the ship on the Mercury for the cruise. She did not tell anyone in her family where she was going. She disappeared of the ship. It was a suicide. The cabin steward noticed that for a coiple of days she was not in her cabin. He reported it to his supervisor who told him not to worry about it. When the cruise ended they took the few belongins she brought and gave them away.

 

The family had reported her missing a few weeks after the cruise. The FBI looked into her credit card statements and found out she had booked a cruise which she did not tell her family about. The FBI called Celebrity and when they looked into the found out what the supervisor had said to the cabin steward and they fired him for not following company procedure. The woman did not leave the cruiseline with any emergency contact information. It was not a cover up, it was just someone not following procedure.

 

As far as the woman who was raped, Royal Caribbean immediately contacted the FBI, police in TAmpa and the Mexican police in Costa Maya where the ship was docking. The woman did not want to file a complaint in Mexico, so Royal Caribbean kept the man locked up until they got back to Tampa. The FBI refused to investigate, so the police have filed charges against him. Royal Caribbean has fired the man. So I do not see any coverup any where.

 

 

Quite true...but You missed a few points on the woman alone...her father testified (if he is to be believed) that his daughter often traveled alone...including cruising which she loved. She also was divorced and decided not to follow the rest of her family and move to the other side of the country where her daughter lived with her ex. she did not report regularly her routine to them... but did talk very frequent with her daughter..the basis for the suicide theory..as she hadn't told her daughter she was going away. Many reasons could account for that. As the dad also said he has other adult kids, as do I , that also don't tell him all that they do. Somethiong I can relate to. The last I heard it was simply listed as missing..presumed overboard.

[cruiser_carol]

Quite true...but You missed a few points on the woman alone...her father testified (if he is to be believed) that his daughter often traveled alone...including cruising which she loved. She also was divorced and decided not to follow the rest of her family and move to the other side of the country where her daughter lived with her ex. she did not report regularly her routine to them... but did talk very frequent with her daughter..the basis for the suicide theory..as she hadn't told her daughter she was going away. Many reasons could account for that. As the dad also said he has other adult kids, as do I , that also don't tell him all that they do. Somethiong I can relate to. The last I heard it was simply listed as missing..presumed overboard.

 

One thing I forgot....How can anyone not Question...and simply put it down as a failure to follow procedures by ONE STAFF? member..for not informing Authorities that a person is missing from a ship and Believed to be overboard. How can you return to port...anyone on that ship in charge... and not have checked the manifest and realized they were one passenger down? We have all discussed the seapass and I have stated myself in past posts, at how good the security was on our cruise this summer. Eve down to having to take our sunglasses and sun hat off upon entering and leaving the ship.

 

I will always be a loyal RC Cruiser.. and returning this year..feeling totally safe and eager for another wonderful vacation. but it is not right to deny when a MAJOR Mistake..is made. How would you feel if that were someone from your family?

[stanford's girl]

I saw the show that talked about this woman who went missing on the Celebrity Mercury.

I live in a different state than my family and even at my age, I still let them know that I will be on vacation and how to get in touch with me in an emergency.

[Weez]

A woman had board the ship on the Mercury for the cruise. She did not tell anyone in her family where she was going. She disappeared of the ship. It was a suicide. The cabin steward noticed that for a coiple of days she was not in her cabin. He reported it to his supervisor who told him not to worry about it. When the cruise ended they took the few belongins she brought and gave them away.

 

The family had reported her missing a few weeks after the cruise. The FBI looked into her credit card statements and found out she had booked a cruise which she did not tell her family about. The FBI called Celebrity and when they looked into the found out what the supervisor had said to the cabin steward and they fired him for not following company procedure. The woman did not leave the cruiseline with any emergency contact information. It was not a cover up, it was just someone not following procedure.

 

As far as the woman who was raped, Royal Caribbean immediately contacted the FBI, police in TAmpa and the Mexican police in Costa Maya where the ship was docking. The woman did not want to file a complaint in Mexico, so Royal Caribbean kept the man locked up until they got back to Tampa. The FBI refused to investigate, so the police have filed charges against him. Royal Caribbean has fired the man. So I do not see any coverup any where.

 

How do you know it was a suicide? Did she tell you?

[1corona4u]

On all of the other threads referring to The Smith case, RCI fighting back, missing persons etc. etc. there has been almost overwhelming defense of the cruise lines at all cost. The victims, whatever the circumstances, have been portrayed in all sorts of calous ways.

 

Yes, we are giving RCI the benefit of the doubt. Clearly, they have no problem remembering what happened that night...........

 

They also have a public statement, that CAN be verified. The Smith's, as far as I know, can not prove there was a cover-up, nor can they prove there was a murder, at this point, but yet, they continue to claim there was.

 

That is the reason I am giving them the benefit of the doubt. They tried to say that RCI washed off the blood at 7:30 in the morning, because that's what they HEARD, and they also HEARD that it had been painted over, which as we all know now, had not been done. It just makes me wonder how much other stuff they HEARD is true..............

[cruiser_carol]

I saw the show that talked about this woman who went missing on the Celebrity Mercury.

 

I live in a different state than my family and even at my age' date=' I still let them know that I will be on vacation and how to get in touch with me in an emergency. [/size']

 

I missed the show being I live in the UK. I totally agree, I do let people know where I am.. and so do most of us. As I said My kids don't necessarily, but if they were going on vacation..especially a cruise.. they certainly would.

 

But not all families are in constant touch. The father states this was not unusual? If people are not in touch regularly..then perhaps a week apart wasn't considered long enough to nofify them. She was supposed to cruise regularly. you would have thought it was important enough to tell someone..depending when she decided to book. How long before..was it planned or last minute..perhaps a good deal she found.

 

However, even if suicide definitely is the cause.... that is not the problem. The question remains. A Passenger was Missing! Why Was it Not Reported to Authorities?? How can you cruise on and disregard the siuation? I don't understand How the ship could have cleared the authorities upon arrival back in home port with a passenger missing and unaccounted for?

[Weez]

I missed the show being I live in the UK. I totally agree, I do let people know where I am.. and so do most of us. As I said My kids don't necessarily, but if they were going on vacation..especially a cruise.. they certainly would.

 

But not all families are in constant touch. The father states this was not unusual? If people are not in touch regularly..then perhaps a week apart wasn't considered long enough to nofify them. She was supposed to cruise regularly. you would have thought it was important enough to tell someone..depending when she decided to book. How long before..was it planned or last minute..perhaps a good deal she found.

 

However, even if suicide definitely is the cause.... that is not the problem. The question remains. A Passenger was Missing! Why Was it Not Reported to Authorities?? How can you cruise on and disregard the siuation? I don't understand How the ship could have cleared the authorities upon arrival back in home port with a passenger missing and unaccounted for?

 

Totally agree.

[cruiser_carol]

Yes, we are giving RCI the benefit of the doubt. Clearly, they have no problem remembering what happened that night...........

 

They also have a public statement, that CAN be verified. The Smith's, as far as I know, can not prove there was a cover-up, nor can they prove there was a murder, at this point, but yet, they continue to claim there was.

 

That is the reason I am giving them the benefit of the doubt. They tried to say that RCI washed off the blood at 7:30 in the morning, because that's what they HEARD, and they also HEARD that it had been painted over, which as we all know now, had not been done. It just makes me wonder how much other stuff they HEARD is true..............

 

 

You really do have a problem over ANY Questions..Do you honestlly think RC is in need of our protecting them. They will sort this case and any other case out and weed the genuine from the fake and look after themselves just fine. It is You that does not give ANYONE but RC the benefit. You change back and forth in your posts that you are open minded.. but you are anything but. I have opinions on both sides...and my main concern is nothing to do with the Smiths'. I am also very loyal to RC..This is no vendetta..just a discussion of points on a RC forum.

 

READ MY POSTS..Who doesn't agree the Smith story is a crazy, crazy farce. Whatever the truth. I have said repeatedly it unfolds like a cheap mystery novel..There are...Russians, fights, absinthe, carrying people away, kicks in the groin, videod sex...ButYou Have Missed my Points Yet Again For the Hundredth time...

 

It is not about the Smiths..but people in general. It is not Good Judgment or acceptable for the ships staff to let a passenger be carried away by several men WHO ARE NOT TRAVELING WITH THEM. So what.. they have drank together. They were also dodgy in behavior...all of them. It could be you.. or me having a drink with someone we befriended onboard. We could be observed as fine by other passengers. But we might not be drinking what we thought we were.. but something much stronger that has been given to us unknowningly and impaired our judgment. Or even if we were drinking to excess voluntarily. Once we couldn't function... the bar staff or security should have looked into it when someone tried to carry us off..especially several persons. ships Staff should have seen we as passengers returned to the cabin safely. As happened to the lady on our cruise for a very minor incident in comparison. She was excorted by ship staff as she was drunk and rude to the barman and making a disturbance.

 

Better still it shouldnt have gone on the way it did. Report after report from passengers observing this out of control behavior. Security onboard should have toned this down for the sake of all passengers. Policing is one thing.....avoiding a rowdy situation that turns to kicking and hitting in public.. is another. I say again ..police would be involved if it happened on land.

 

 

My criticism is related to this point only regarding the Smith case. The other point...the lack of notifying that a lady passenger was missing from the Alaska ship when it arrived back at its' home port. Whatever you want to call her....It Is A Big Mistake..by more than ONE Person. Did the Captain not know a passenger was missing?? What did he tell the authorities when he arrived in port? What about the Seapass check? It is unacceptable to assume she is a suicide and just forget about her..especially if she wasn't. Each of us can easily be described and interpreted as something we are not...by the media and others in control. The truth can easily be twisted by both sides.

 

To think that everything is always done by the book and openly by big corporations is naive.. It is not a cover up or corruption...just risk management not to have to divulge more than you have to at times. Everywhere in the world governments and businesses are run this way and often they are called on a bad judgment that they have made. If this story regarding the lady is accurate..then this is definitely one bad judgment that was correctly called. No reflection on RC in general..or their ships..or their services, which are excellent. Just a bad call in this particuliar instance that I am sure they will insure in future doesn't happen again.

[ORANGEinINDY]

...It Is A Big Mistake..by more than ONE Person.

Carol.. not a flame on you (or anyone else) but your post is the recent place I saw it.

 

Where is the number ONE coming from anyway.. I think I saw RCI mention that but not sure. From what I read, the cabin steward brought it to his supervisors attention and the supervisor said not to say anything.

 

When I was taking math class that's TWO isn't it? and not only that the two make it a conspiracy.

 

(I also agree on the captain/seapass thing you said)

[SissasMomE]

You really do have a problem over ANY Questions..Do you honestlly think RC is in need of our protecting them. They will sort this case and any other case out and weed the genuine from the fake and look after themselves just fine. It is You that does not give ANYONE but RC the benefit. You change back and forth in your posts that you are open minded.. but you are anything but. I have opinions on both sides...and my main concern is nothing to do with the Smiths'. I am also very loyal to RC..This is no vendetta..just a discussion of points on a RC forum.

 

READ MY POSTS..Who doesn't agree the Smith story is a crazy, crazy farce. Whatever the truth. I have said repeatedly it unfolds like a cheap mystery novel..There are...Russians, fights, absinthe, carrying people away, kicks in the groin, videod sex...ButYou Have Missed my Points Yet Again For the Hundredth time...

 

It is not about the Smiths..but people in general. It is not Good Judgment or acceptable for the ships staff to let a passenger be carried away by several men WHO ARE NOT TRAVELING WITH THEM. So what.. they have drank together. They were also dodgy in behavior...all of them. It could be you.. or me having a drink with someone we befriended onboard. We could be observed as fine by other passengers. But we might not be drinking what we thought we were.. but something much stronger that has been given to us unknowningly and impaired our judgment. Or even if we were drinking to excess voluntarily. Once we couldn't function... the bar staff or security should have looked into it when someone tried to carry us off..especially several persons. ships Staff should have seen we as passengers returned to the cabin safely. As happened to the lady on our cruise for a very minor incident in comparison. She was excorted by ship staff as she was drunk and rude to the barman and making a disturbance.

 

Better still it shouldnt have gone on the way it did. Report after report from passengers observing this out of control behavior. Security onboard should have toned this down for the sake of all passengers. Policing is one thing.....avoiding a rowdy situation that turns to kicking and hitting in public.. is another. I say again ..police would be involved if it happened on land.

 

 

My criticism is related to this point only regarding the Smith case. The other point...the lack of notifying that a lady passenger was missing from the Alaska ship when it arrived back at its' home port. Whatever you want to call her....It Is A Big Mistake..by more than ONE Person. Did the Captain not know a passenger was missing?? What did he tell the authorities when he arrived in port? What about the Seapass check? It is unacceptable to assume she is a suicide and just forget about her..especially if she wasn't. Each of us can easily be described and interpreted as something we are not...by the media and others in control. The truth can easily be twisted by both sides.

 

To think that everything is always done by the book and openly by big corporations is naive.. It is not a cover up or corruption...just risk management not to have to divulge more than you have to at times. Everywhere in the world governments and businesses are run this way and often they are called on a bad judgment that they have made. If this story regarding the lady is accurate..then this is definitely one bad judgment that was correctly called. No reflection on RC in general..or their ships..or their services, which are excellent. Just a bad call in this particuliar instance that I am sure they will insure in future doesn't happen again.

 

See - duct tape ;)

[ORANGEinINDY]

See - duct tape ;)

You were told once already that was not funny...:D Now... where are those paper towels? Gotta clean my keyboard seems I spit, er...I mean SPILLED some coffee on it:D If they can't take a joke....you know

[rcicruiser]

Weez

 

The FBI told me.

[rcicruiser]

Actually it was a story that I read on Cruise News daily.

[Weez]

Actually it was a story that I read on Cruise News daily.

 

Thats what the cruise line wants you to believe.

[1corona4u]

You really do have a problem over ANY Questions..Do you honestlly think RC is in need of our protecting them. They will sort this case and any other case out and weed the genuine from the fake and look after themselves just fine. It is You that does not give ANYONE but RC the benefit. You change back and forth in your posts that you are open minded.. but you are anything but. I have opinions on both sides...and my main concern is nothing to do with the Smiths'. I am also very loyal to RC..This is no vendetta..just a discussion of points on a RC forum.

 

READ MY POSTS..Who doesn't agree the Smith story is a crazy, crazy farce. Whatever the truth. I have said repeatedly it unfolds like a cheap mystery novel..There are...Russians, fights, absinthe, carrying people away, kicks in the groin, videod sex...ButYou Have Missed my Points Yet Again For the Hundredth time...

 

It is not about the Smiths..but people in general. It is not Good Judgment or acceptable for the ships staff to let a passenger be carried away by several men WHO ARE NOT TRAVELING WITH THEM. So what.. they have drank together. They were also dodgy in behavior...all of them. It could be you.. or me having a drink with someone we befriended onboard. We could be observed as fine by other passengers. But we might not be drinking what we thought we were.. but something much stronger that has been given to us unknowningly and impaired our judgment. Or even if we were drinking to excess voluntarily. Once we couldn't function... the bar staff or security should have looked into it when someone tried to carry us off..especially several persons. ships Staff should have seen we as passengers returned to the cabin safely. As happened to the lady on our cruise for a very minor incident in comparison. She was excorted by ship staff as she was drunk and rude to the barman and making a disturbance.

 

Better still it shouldnt have gone on the way it did. Report after report from passengers observing this out of control behavior. Security onboard should have toned this down for the sake of all passengers. Policing is one thing.....avoiding a rowdy situation that turns to kicking and hitting in public.. is another. I say again ..police would be involved if it happened on land.

 

 

My criticism is related to this point only regarding the Smith case. The other point...the lack of notifying that a lady passenger was missing from the Alaska ship when it arrived back at its' home port. Whatever you want to call her....It Is A Big Mistake..by more than ONE Person. Did the Captain not know a passenger was missing?? What did he tell the authorities when he arrived in port? What about the Seapass check? It is unacceptable to assume she is a suicide and just forget about her..especially if she wasn't. Each of us can easily be described and interpreted as something we are not...by the media and others in control. The truth can easily be twisted by both sides.

 

To think that everything is always done by the book and openly by big corporations is naive.. It is not a cover up or corruption...just risk management not to have to divulge more than you have to at times. Everywhere in the world governments and businesses are run this way and often they are called on a bad judgment that they have made. If this story regarding the lady is accurate..then this is definitely one bad judgment that was correctly called. No reflection on RC in general..or their ships..or their services, which are excellent. Just a bad call in this particuliar instance that I am sure they will insure in future doesn't happen again.

 

You know, I'm not even going to bother reading your rather long missive, because the first sentence told me where you were going with it, but I will say that I am entitled to my opinion, and do not feel the need to justify it to you, or anyone else for that matter.

[SissasMomE]

You were told once already that was not funny...:D Now... where are those paper towels? Gotta clean my keyboard seems I spit, er...I mean SPILLED some coffee on it:D If they can't take a joke....you know

 

 

:D:D :D

[wolfganghowell]

The Alaska cruise disappearance was a woman named Merrian Carver. From the reports I have seen (which could be inaccurate) she booked the ship a few weeks before departing, she did not notify her family of the trip - that would be her parents and her 13 year old daughter who apparently lived with her father in England. Within 2 days of sailing the cabin attendant notified his supervisor that her room was untouched. the supervisor told him to mind his own business. Her seapass card was never used. Her belongings were neatly arranged in the cabin - a small overnight bag with her tip money laid out for the week. At the end of the cruise, her clothes were packed and stored and eventually given to charity. I saw some reports that the woman had a history of depression and there was no evidence of foul play. The cruise line - Celebrity - settled with the family and fired the supervisor who made the stupid decision. Did they mishandle it? Yes. Could they have prevented this apparent suicide? No. Did the woman not fill out her emergency contact information? Most reports say no but that has not been verified to my knowledge.

 

Obviously a sad tragic story but X did not "cause" this death.