casino workers

[deadbug]

Geeze, I've been on what, a million cruises now and I truly did not know these folks were payed so poorly.....I though that in the "class" systems on board that they were right up there with the entertainment staff. Yes, I do know most ship employees are paid very unfairly....just did not think this included the casino employees. What about the Spa employees? Are they "in the same boat" (kill myself sometimes) I have always tipped at the blackjack and craps tables---but honestly would have been more generous had I know this to be true. Please---tell me it aint so

[derf5585]

Pros and Cons of Working Onboard

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[zipper1]

Umm... Do you make $4/hour?

 

Then they shouldn't take the job if they don't like the pay!!

[big_duck]

Hasn't the tiiping thing gone a little too far? Where does it stop? I'm a school teacher. I provide a service, yet I'm not tipped at all!!

 

No student has ever brought you an apple, maybe a little christmas present?

[yogimax]

Then they shouldn't take the job if they don't like the pay!!

 

You completely miss the point:rolleyes: The person who works on the cruise ship is compensated by a combination of salary and tips. The teacher has a fixed salary greatly in excess of $4/hour so no tips are necessary.

[JerseyGirl97]

You completely miss the point:rolleyes: The person who works on the cruise ship is compensated by a combination of salary and tips. The teacher has a fixed salary greatly in excess of $4/hour so no tips are necessary.

 

 

I am a middle school teacher and I get paid slightly more than $4/hour! But not much....;) And we really do get a lot of "perks" and "tips". I know our Borders has a teacher appreciation week where they give teachers 20% off their purchase. Christmas this year was also very nice. I received more gift cards than I can name!!! I haven't even used them all yet. Anyway, you are right, tips are not needed. And as one other poster said, we do receive a lot of nice things from our students and their parents. Keep it coming!!! :D

[MrLee]

This may be a little off topic, but still in the casino......do they offer you free drinks while you are gambling in the casino? You know like in regular casinos? Thanks

 

It depends. If you join the ocean players club (which you can do in the casino) they sometimes do, depending on your play. On the Triumph last November/December I got several free drinks and on the Ryndam (HAL) last January I got a LOT of free drinks.

 

It depends a bit on the host or supervisor too.

[oldvato]

"prior to working at a casino I had no clue that their employees depend on tips to make more than the people at McDonalds. $4 an hour to start-for dealers-Surprised?"

 

Plus room and board, right? Not a bad deal if you are single and don't have a family to support in the U.S. Much better than working at McDonalds and then having to pay for an apartment, food, and all the utilities that go with it.

 

Now don't get me wrong. We did the expected tipping and even tipped extra to those who provided us with good service. But there are those that don't provide personelized services which are then covered by the regular expected tips.

[zqvol]

"prior to working at a casino I had no clue that their employees depend on tips to make more than the people at McDonalds. $4 an hour to start-for dealers-Surprised?"

 

Plus room and board, right? Not a bad deal if you are single and don't have a family to support in the U.S. Much better than working at McDonalds and then having to pay for an apartment, food, and all the utilities that go with it.

 

Now don't get me wrong. We did the expected tipping and even tipped extra to those who provided us with good service. But there are those that don't provide personelized services which are then covered by the regular expected tips.

Seems that all of the discussions regarding pay forget that cruise line employees get, in addition to salary, room and board and medical care. In addition there are subsidized employee stores and bars available to them.

 

How much is that worth? That has to be added into their pay and tax consequences. Since they are working for non US companies on non US flagged ships I don't think they have the usual tax consequences that we deal with.

 

Bottom line, they are not getting rich but they have a lot more disposable income than most middle class Americans.

[yogimax]

Seems that all of the discussions regarding pay forget that cruise line employees get, in addition to salary, room and board and medical care. In addition there are subsidized employee stores and bars available to them.

 

How much is that worth? That has to be added into their pay and tax consequences. Since they are working for non US companies on non US flagged ships I don't think they have the usual tax consequences that we deal with.

 

Bottom line, they are not getting rich but they have a lot more disposable income than most middle class Americans.

 

Cruise line employees have more disposable income than most middle class Americans??? I won't ask you to justify that remark because it can't be done. You comment about a free room??? What about half a room with maybe 50 square feet... yeah, cruise line employees are much better off than middle class Americans. Next time, think before you write!:)

[derf5585]

Cruise line employees have more disposable income than most middle class Americans??? I won't ask you to justify that remark because it can't be done. You comment about a free room??? What about half a room with maybe 50 square feet... yeah, cruise line employees are much better off than middle class Americans. Next time, think before you write!:)

 

Maybe not middle class Americans however in my hauty opinion they are better off that from the country they came from.

[yogimax]

Maybe not middle class Americans however in my hauty opinion they are better off that from the country they came from.

 

Hey Derf, didn't most of our parents and grandparents come from other countries? Isn't America supposed to be the "land of opportunity" for others? How can you be critical of someone being paid $4/hour plus tips? Instead of being "hauty (sp.)" and judgmental, maybe WE all should be thankful for the blessings we experience and rejoice when others can share in what we have!!!:) :) :)

[derf5585]

Hey Derf, didn't most of our parents and grandparents come from other countries? Isn't America supposed to be the "land of opportunity" for others? How can you be critical of someone being paid $4/hour plus tips? Instead of being "hauty (sp.)" and judgmental, maybe WE all should be thankful for the blessings we experience and rejoice when others can share in what we have!!!:) :) :)

 

I bet my grandparents would have been happy with $4 an hour.

 

On my last cruise the CD on the last day said we should be thankfull that we have the means and opertunity to go on cruises.

 

I wonder what percentage of the world (which just pasted 6.5 billion people this weekend) cruise or have the means to cruise.

 

We are truly blessed.

[Cuizer2]

Do you tip the casino workers? They provide a service to you.

Did you know that most casino employees make low salaries? Their money is made in tips... So Please TIP CASINO employees EVERYWHERE! thanks

 

If you tip the casino employees too far they might fall down, and I don't think they would like that.

[tef43]

CONGRATS! Yes, I am a casino worker. However, prior to working at a casino I had no clue that their employees depend on tips to make more than the people at McDonalds. $4 an hour to start-for dealers-Surprised?

I'm more surprised that you took the job before finding how much you were going to be paid. :rolleyes:

[oldvato]

[quote name='derf5585']I bet my grandparents would have been happy with $4 an hour. [/QUOTE]

Heck, I know I would have. Back in 57, when I was 13 years old, I worked at a grocery store, on Saturdays, from 7am to 10pm with two lunch breaks, and they paid me $2.75 for the whole day. There was no minimum wage back then. I won't even talk about my paper routes. When I was in the Navy in 66 and 67, I made $67.00 every two weeks but I was single. There were no tips but I did get my room and board, (I shared a big room with 30 other guys) I was able to save much of my money. After the Navy, in my first job, in 68 I worked for $1.60 and hour.

The whole point that I tried to make is that the Casino worker made it seem that an employee at Mcdonalds was better off then him, when in fact after all their room and board, the casino worker was much better off ,assuming he was a single person. It may be a small room, but it's part of his compensation package.

[oldvato]

[quote name='yogimax']Hey Derf, didn't most of our parents and grandparents come from other countries? Isn't America supposed to be the "land of opportunity" for others?[/QUOTE]

You are comparing apples and oranges. Besides cruise ship workers are not looking for opportunities in America. They are aboard a cruise ship.

I truly believe cruise ship workers do work very hard and long hours for their money and their tips. But I will also assume that they have more money to send home (foreign countries), or if they are single, by working on a ship then by working at Mcdonalds in the U.S. and having to pay for a place to live, utilities, and food.

I too feel blessed that I can go on cruises. That's why I appreciate good service from these hard workers and tip extra when it's appropriate.

[zqvol]

[quote name='yogimax']Cruise line employees have more disposable income than most middle class Americans??? I won't ask you to justify that remark because it can't be done. You comment about a free room??? What about half a room with maybe 50 square feet... yeah, cruise line employees are much better off than middle class Americans. Next time, think before you write!:)[/QUOTE]
I thought before I wrote the first time. Most crusie line workers have more disposable income than most middle class Americans.

Next time you want to attack someone get your facts in order.

[derf5585]

I wonder if the crew have their own casino?

[cruisermpaul]

So then my question is "Do the casino dealers share tips?" If yes then how much...25%? 100%. Why tip the totally unfriendly dealers if your best time or most winnings came with a friendly dealer? I think that the tips are probably shared 100% as all of the tips are pushed through the same slot in the table as dealer after dealer works their shift.

[yogimax]

[quote name='zqvol']I thought before I wrote the first time. Most crusie line workers have more disposable income than most middle class Americans.

Next time you want to attack someone get your facts in order.[/quote]

I do have the facts. Recent data states that average US family income is about $65,000-$70,000/year and median family income about $40,000. I think that is preferable to $4/hour.

[derf5585]

[quote name='yogimax']I do have the facts. Recent data states that average US family income is about $65,000-$70,000/year and median family income about $40,000. I think that is preferable to $4/hour.[/QUOTE]

$4 an hourX40=$160 a weekX52=8320
room and board=?
Aprox 6 months on 3 months off (depends on contract)

[finoky]

[quote name='cruisermpaul']So then my question is "Do the casino dealers share tips?" If yes then how much...25%? 100%. Why tip the totally unfriendly dealers if your best time or most winnings came with a friendly dealer? I think that the tips are probably shared 100% as all of the tips are pushed through the same slot in the table as dealer after dealer works their shift.[/quote]

Yep. Everytime I have tipped they drop it into the slot right after they ring the bell. It stays in there when the dealers change tables so there is no way to know who has what in the box.

[big_duck]

[quote name='yogimax']I do have the facts. Recent data states that average US family income is about $65,000-$70,000/year and median family income about $40,000. I think that is preferable to $4/hour.[/quote]

The median income in the US is irrelevant. What is the median income in middle european countries? That is where most of the Casino staff seems to come from.

$4 is tax free (if it is even $4 dollars an hour, we are taking one persons word for that).

Although the accomodations are shared and cramped, and the staff meals are apparently not that great, the staff still does not have the added expenses of rent, utilities, transportation.

I'm not saying they are living like kings, but I bet few if any are complaining.

[gr81]

Recieved my email back from the Casino host on the Pride telling me I have a balance on my account that will be added this cruise and to stop
by and fill out the OPC form which needs to be done every cruise to keep account info up to date.:)