Arvia 2023 Palma Port

[molecrochip]

Also, am told that the agreement was reached with CLIA Europe which covers the major cruise lines for them to sort out clashes themselves.

 

Also some suggestion that the measure is on available lower berths not max capacity - but that’s to be confirmed.

[Yorkypete]

20 hours ago, molecrochip said:

OK - been talking to a few people.

 

Seaview is standard capacity 4,132 and max capacity 5,110.

 

Arvia is standard capacity 5,200 and max capacity 6,242.

Rules state max of three ships but only one over 5,000 pax. Seaview will not sail with more than 5,000 each cruise as ships don’t sail at 120%+ capacity cruise after cruise. However when she does, she has priority over Arvia given her home port status.

 

P&O can either restrict sales or change port. That largely will depend on how many berths are already sold.

 

So yes, they can both be in port together, under the right circumstances.

Molecrochip seems to have taken down a post saying ships do not usually sail with 120% capacity...obviously as the capacity maximum is 100%. AQnyway, to slightly contradict him the actual new rules in Palma say that ' the definition of a mega ship such as Arvia etc is having a capacity of 5000 or more. It does not need that many passengers, just the capacity. It also states that in addition  no more than 3 ships with over 500 passengers will  be allowed, and a maximum of 8500 passengers per day. No exceptions save for Seaview as it is their home port.. It seems that P&O will have problems in the Med as Barcelona and Dubrovnik are also introducing passenger number restrictions

[molecrochip]

Ship capacity’s in the cruise industry are considered as available lower berths. 

 

So Seaview would be considered as having a capacity of 4,142. This is 100% capacity. When it carries 5,000 it will be operating at 121% capacity by using its third and fourth (or upper) berths. Ships don’t usually get that close to their theoretical maximum capacity due to solo cruisers, cabins out of use etc.

 

Cruise lines regularly sail at 97-105% capacity without being sold out. 120% regularly would be unusual.

 

I agree re @Yorkypete other points.

 

I was told last night from someone in the know that passengers starting and ending their cruise are not included in the 8,500 limit. Otherwise 4000 off and 4000 onto Seaview would use the whole allowance with one ship. 
 

Seaview still counts towards the other, 3 ship, limit.

[Mrs applehead]

Ours have just been changed for britannia in August, ports have been moved to different days and palma and Ibiza we don't arrive until 12 midday so all the trips we have booked are now being refunded.

[Megabear2]

2 hours ago, Mrs applehead said:

Ours have just been changed for britannia in August, ports have been moved to different days and palma and Ibiza we don't arrive until 12 midday so all the trips we have booked are now being refunded.

Which of the two August Britannia sailings are you on, please?  

[Mrs applehead]

40 minutes ago, Megabear2 said:

Which of the two August Britannia sailings are you on, please?  

18th

[P&O SUE]

I’m following someone online who is due in Palma in the next day or so on Arvia. They don’t seem to have been changed.

[dallas16]

1 hour ago, P&O SUE said:

I’m following someone online who is due in Palma in the next day or so on Arvia. They don’t seem to have been changed.

There aren't any ships of a similar size there in port so no schedule clashes 

[Denarius]

I suspect that this will be the trend in the future.

In the early days of cruising when typical ships like the Victoria carried less than 800 passengers and large ships like the Canberra and QE2 carried 1500 and 2000 respectavily, having more ships in port was usually good for business. But as ships grew in size - the Canberra would now be regarded as a small ship! - the point was reached were more passengers did not necessarily result in more business; just bigger crowds and visitor frustration. A bit like the Laffer curve in taxation. So it is understandable that ports will seek to limit the number of cruise passengers in port to that which will maximise trade. Which is why turnaround ships may well be excempt as their passengers will be mainly travelling to and from the ship and not clogging up the streets.

[awmartin]

On 4/5/2023 at 4:56 PM, Mrs applehead said:

Ours have just been changed for britannia in August, ports have been moved to different days and palma and Ibiza we don't arrive until 12 midday so all the trips we have booked are now being refunded.

We are on Britannia 21 July and we have just been informed the same ,not arriving ibiza  until midday leaving Ibiza 2am the following day and arriving in palma 12pm leaving at 6pm.