Europe ETIAS

[steamboats]

13 hours ago, Jetdriver787 said:

It won't matter in practice. The airline is liable and fined if they land a passenger without the correct documentation. In practice they will check the passenger has the documentation before they accept them for carriage.

 

Of course the airlines are liable. But as I said before you won´t even board the plane when you don´t have ESTA (or a visa or a Green Card or are an American citizen) here in Europe as the airlines need to check the data with the US authorities prior to departure. So there´s only a limited number of pushbacks - those who want to travel with ESTA but need a visa for the special purpose of their travel as an example or those who are denied entry although they do have proper documentation including ESTA (which can happen).

 

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[crazyank]

On 8/1/2023 at 8:47 AM, steamboats said:

 

removed, not worth the effort

Edited August 3, 2023 by crazyank

[crazyank]

On 8/2/2023 at 7:51 AM, steamboats said:

But as I said before you won´t even board the plane when you don´t have ESTA (or a visa or a Green Card or are an American citizen) here in Europe as the airlines need to check the data with the US authorities prior to departure.

Please post your source for this info.   Airlines are not checking for an ESTA at Munich, Frankfurt,  Stuttgart, Berlin or any other airport we have departed from this year.

Edited August 3, 2023 by crazyank

[gumshoe958]

47 minutes ago, crazyank said:

Please post your source for this info.   Airlines are not checking for an ESTA at Munich, Frankfurt,  Stuttgart, Berlin or any other airport we have departed from this year.

They certainly are. It’s all done electronically behind the scenes based on the API you submit, but if you haven’t got an ESTA or other permission to enter the US you’ll be denied boarding.

[FionaMG]

2 hours ago, crazyank said:

Please post your source for this info.   Airlines are not checking for an ESTA at Munich, Frankfurt,  Stuttgart, Berlin or any other airport we have departed from this year.

 

They absolutely do here in Portugal. Twice, in fact; once when you check in and again at the secondary screening at the gate.

[gavvy]

2 hours ago, crazyank said:

Please post your source for this info.   Airlines are not checking for an ESTA at Munich, Frankfurt,  Stuttgart, Berlin or any other airport we have departed from this year.

 

They 100% do check, they send your passport number to the ESTA system and it will come back with a yes/no flag.  If it flags no then you are not checking in, just because the airline does not specifically ask you for the ESTA does not mean they do not check.

 

No passenger can get on a flight to the USA without either residency/ Citizenship, a visa or a valid ESTA, and its been like that since the system was introduced.  

 

I've seen numerous times at airport check in people with ESTA issues and trying to apply for one in the airport, hoping that it goes through in time

 

No ESTA/ No flight

[ace2542]

On 8/2/2023 at 5:21 AM, Despegue said:

These 3 countries are scheduled to join Schengen on 01/01/2024.

Those 3 countries to my knowledge are not on the U.S Visa Waiver Program. There are countries in Europe that are not and I think it is those three.

[steamboats]

9 hours ago, crazyank said:

Please post your source for this info.   Airlines are not checking for an ESTA at Munich, Frankfurt,  Stuttgart, Berlin or any other airport we have departed from this year.

 

They don´t check your ESTA physically but many do ask at check-in. And I had a flight delay due to the fact that another person did have ESTA but had the same name as someone on the no fly list of the US authorities. It did take quite a while to sort this out and then the person was able to fly (and we too).

 

8 hours ago, gumshoe958 said:

They certainly are. It’s all done electronically behind the scenes based on the API you submit, but if you haven’t got an ESTA or other permission to enter the US you’ll be denied boarding.

 

Exactly, the airlines have to transfer the passenger data to the US and then get the o.k. by the US authorities prior to departure.

 

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