nwcruiselover Posted December 3, 2023 #176 Share Posted December 3, 2023 Thanks to everyone who’s providing updates on the Panorama’s progress. It’s quite interesting to follow along. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare LaRue1975 Posted December 3, 2023 #177 Share Posted December 3, 2023 1 hour ago, Andi Land said: Weird question…were these taken from Columbia City Or? I checked and the posts said St Helens and Kalama. I am not sure about the one that shows Panorama approaching a bridge, that was from a video on John Heald’s Facebook page. The video was really cool! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiredTrucker Posted December 3, 2023 #178 Share Posted December 3, 2023 3 hours ago, sfaaa said: CCL would not refund my lost airfare even though the amount was only $85 pp and the cancellation was entirely caused by CCL. Not happy. That airfare section was weird. Didn't it say they would only reimburse if the airfare was transferable with the airline for credit and covered only the difference, or something like that? Maybe I just don't understand but I to was unimpressed with what I saw. After all, this isn't an act of nature or similar, this is entirely on CCL. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allinwonderland Posted December 3, 2023 #179 Share Posted December 3, 2023 14 hours ago, TiredTrucker said: That airfare section was weird. Didn't it say they would only reimburse if the airfare was transferable with the airline for credit and covered only the difference, or something like that? Maybe I just don't understand but I to was unimpressed with what I saw. After all, this isn't an act of nature or similar, this is entirely on CCL. They said they would only reimburse if the tickets were wholly nonrefundable - as in, the airline wouldn't allow you to convert it to credit to be used at a later date, which almost all of them do in the post-COVID world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiredTrucker Posted December 3, 2023 #180 Share Posted December 3, 2023 23 minutes ago, allinwonderland said: They said they would only reimburse if the tickets were wholly nonrefundable - as in, the airline wouldn't allow you to convert it to credit to be used at a later date, which almost all of them do in the post-COVID world. Hah, shows what I know. 🙂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare notscb Posted December 3, 2023 #181 Share Posted December 3, 2023 34 minutes ago, allinwonderland said: which almost all of them do in the post-COVID world. That's not entirely the case. Most airlines in the United States (the majors- Delta, United, American at least) have gone back to offering the lowest level of economy tickets which are non-refundable and non-transferable. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuvCruiSun Posted December 4, 2023 #182 Share Posted December 4, 2023 Several people that were on the 11/18 sailing received their refunds in the last couple of days. Still waiting on my gift cards refund, but did receive the refund for the portion that was put on a credit card. Was able to apply my FCC to a cruise that I had put a deposit on too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare LaRue1975 Posted December 4, 2023 #183 Share Posted December 4, 2023 Wow, she is already out of the water! It’s looking better every day for the Holiday cruises. 5 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZ-EmptyNesters Posted December 4, 2023 #184 Share Posted December 4, 2023 (edited) 15 hours ago, LaRue1975 said: Wow, she is already out of the water! It’s looking better every day for the Holiday cruises. My Carnival Hub app says my cruise starts in 19 days, 2 hrs 48 mins. Seems so close after seeing 500+ days on it when first scheduled. 19 days doesn't seem like enough time. Anyone with an approx timetable on the repair, return to Victoria and then to LB? I'll feel relaxed and confident once I see she's headed to LB. Once again, I appreciate all of you with your experience, insight and encouragement. Edited December 4, 2023 by AZ-EmptyNesters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chengkp75 Posted December 4, 2023 #185 Share Posted December 4, 2023 Well, I hate to be the bearer of bad tidings, but the Columbia River bar pilots have Panorama scheduled for sailing out on Dec 31st, but that is an estimate, and likely a place holder. Unless there is something (parts) that Carnival is waiting on (and they wouldn't have gone up on the dock just to sit and wait on parts (very expensive)), I can't see the repairs taking more than a week, then a day to Victoria, 2-3 days to reinstall the funnel, and 3 days down to Long Beach. So, my estimate would be leaving Victoria for Long Beach around the 15th. They will likely slow steam to Long Beach to save fuel, so maybe taking 4-5 days down. Of course, when a ship goes up on the blocks, lots of things can be found, and things can go sideways in a hurry, so there may be delays. 3 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allinwonderland Posted December 4, 2023 #186 Share Posted December 4, 2023 Refund update, for anyone who's still looking for theirs: I finally got my refund put back to my CC on 11/30. (I was on the 12/2 cancelled sailing.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginona Posted December 4, 2023 #187 Share Posted December 4, 2023 (edited) We live about 30 min from the dry dock. I think we'll go take a look tomorrow. Anyone else going on the Dec 30th sailing? 4 adults 2 kids 11 &13 Edited December 4, 2023 by Ginona 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pogoism9 Posted December 4, 2023 #188 Share Posted December 4, 2023 On 12/2/2023 at 9:19 PM, sfaaa said: CCL would not refund my lost airfare even though the amount was only $85 pp and the cancellation was entirely caused by CCL. Not happy. I would argue that Fincantieri is at fault. 3 Vista ships, 3 recurring bouts of propulsion issues... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chengkp75 Posted December 4, 2023 #189 Share Posted December 4, 2023 9 minutes ago, pogoism9 said: I would argue that Fincantieri is at fault. 3 Vista ships, 3 recurring bouts of propulsion issues... Nope. Fincantieri did not build the azipods, nor were they the ones who specified that azipods be used. Carnival agreed to use azipods. ABB builds the azipods. Now, we come back to the never ending question, that no one here can answer: are they recurring bouts of propulsion issues, or are they different issues each time? Folks on CC tend to lump "propulsion issues" into a single entity, while it is like saying that because your car has brake issues one year, and suspension issues the next, and finally needs some engine work, that your car has "car issues". This could be something like having fishing gear (drift nets, gill nets) wrapped around the propeller shaft, damaging the seal, and this would not have been Carnival's, ABB's, nor Fincantieri's fault. The Pride of America wrapped a buoy wire around one of their azipod shafts a few years ago, and dragged it and the buoy all the way to the next island. Fortunately, that did not damage the oil seal, so it was just cutting it loose that fixed it, done at the dock. But, if the seal is damaged, and they were going to be leaking oil to the sea, they would have pumped out the oil, let the sea water in knowing it would damage the bearings, and then have to replace the bearings. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare LaRue1975 Posted December 4, 2023 #190 Share Posted December 4, 2023 (edited) Thank you chengkp75 for sharing your expertise! Hopefully there are no surprises, things seem to look really good for my New Years cruise but it will remain a question until she is heading South with her funnel intact. 🤞🤞🤞 More pictures were posted today, evidentially one of my fellow cruisers is on the ground in Portland. Edited December 4, 2023 by LaRue1975 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare LaRue1975 Posted December 4, 2023 #191 Share Posted December 4, 2023 3 hours ago, Ginona said: We live about 30 min from the dry dock. I think we'll go take a look tomorrow. Anyone else going on the Dec 30th sailing? 4 adults 2 kids 11 &13 Me! We have a group of 10 celebrating my hubby’s 70th, can’t wait! 🤞🤞🤞 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare LaRue1975 Posted December 4, 2023 #192 Share Posted December 4, 2023 3 hours ago, Ginona said: We live about 30 min from the dry dock. I think we'll go take a look tomorrow. Anyone else going on the Dec 30th sailing? 4 adults 2 kids 11 &13 Me! We have a group of 10 celebrating my hubby’s 70th, can’t wait! 🤞🤞🤞 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare notscb Posted December 4, 2023 #193 Share Posted December 4, 2023 Got my refund for the 12/9 sailing today- finally. Hopefully others get theirs! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chengkp75 Posted December 4, 2023 #194 Share Posted December 4, 2023 Again, don't want to be debbie downer, but those pictures worry me a little. I don't see the scaffolding being set up that would be normal for a typical bearing/seal replacement problem. The first picture shows what looks like a dock arm pressure washing the area around the azimuthing (pod rotation) seal area of the port pod, and the second picture shows what looks like oil dripping from the same azimuth seal on the starboard pod. This could be more serious than originally thought, or it could just be early into the repair. Where are these pictures posted? Hopefully we get some more, and I can try to remote guess what is going on. Tomorrow should be an important day for clues. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nwcruiselover Posted December 4, 2023 #195 Share Posted December 4, 2023 1 hour ago, chengkp75 said: Again, don't want to be debbie downer, but those pictures worry me a little. I don't see the scaffolding being set up that would be normal for a typical bearing/seal replacement problem. The first picture shows what looks like a dock arm pressure washing the area around the azimuthing (pod rotation) seal area of the port pod, and the second picture shows what looks like oil dripping from the same azimuth seal on the starboard pod. This could be more serious than originally thought, or it could just be early into the repair. Where are these pictures posted? Hopefully we get some more, and I can try to remote guess what is going on. Tomorrow should be an important day for clues. We are all so fortunate to have your expert analysis of what’s going on with the Panorama. Thank you for your very valuable contribution to Cruise Critic! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare LaRue1975 Posted December 4, 2023 #196 Share Posted December 4, 2023 51 minutes ago, chengkp75 said: Again, don't want to be debbie downer, but those pictures worry me a little. I don't see the scaffolding being set up that would be normal for a typical bearing/seal replacement problem. The first picture shows what looks like a dock arm pressure washing the area around the azimuthing (pod rotation) seal area of the port pod, and the second picture shows what looks like oil dripping from the same azimuth seal on the starboard pod. This could be more serious than originally thought, or it could just be early into the repair. Where are these pictures posted? Hopefully we get some more, and I can try to remote guess what is going on. Tomorrow should be an important day for clues. Thank you so much for the input. I was hoping you would comment on the pics as obviously I don’t know what they suggest other than the repair has started. The Portland dry dock pics are coming from one of my fellow passengers on the upcoming NYE cruise and are posted in our Facebook group. I think she will keep posting them as the repairs progress and I will post them here so you can evaluate the progress being made for us. To say Carnival has not been sharing much information is an understatement but John Heald did say on Saturday the Holiday cruises were happening without the qualification of still scheduled at this time. I hope he know what he’s talking about! 🤞🤞🤞 I’m sure all of us hoping we sail really appreciate your input, thanks again! 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparty18 Posted December 5, 2023 #197 Share Posted December 5, 2023 (edited) I went by and checked out Panorama about an hour ago. Lots of lights and the whale tail cut down. I see some previous posts with pics from others but here is a video.. Edited December 5, 2023 by sparty18 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare LaRue1975 Posted December 5, 2023 #198 Share Posted December 5, 2023 Here are some gorgeous pics of Panorama posted on the Ship Report Facebook page. She is a beauty even in dry dock. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare LaRue1975 Posted December 5, 2023 #199 Share Posted December 5, 2023 Great video of her arrival in Portland. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginona Posted December 6, 2023 #200 Share Posted December 6, 2023 Anyone have news on the ship leaving Portland? Repairs being done? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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