Changes to Carnival Loyalty Program

[Tom-n-Cheryl]

40 minutes ago, aborgman said:

 

I've been on the internet since before the first graphical browser (NCSA Mosaic)..

 

(Mentally) going back to my internet beginnings. We'll, I should back up a bit and admit that my first computer was a TRS-80... early model (4K ram, cassette recorder/drive). I never went as far as to build a kit computer though. I subscribed to BYTE magazine (should have kept issue #1, lol). HECK, why didn't I keep all that stuff... and my baseball cards too ! ! !

 

Tom

[grimpil]

9 minutes ago, Tom-n-Cheryl said:

 

(Mentally) going back to my internet beginnings. We'll, I should back up a bit and admit that my first computer was a TRS-80... early model (4K ram, cassette recorder/drive). I never went as far as to build a kit computer though. I subscribed to BYTE magazine (should have kept issue #1, lol). HECK, why didn't I keep all that stuff... and my baseball cards too ! ! !

 

Tom

Ya... my Phil Esposito rookie card ended up clothes pinned  to my bike spokes... what was i thinking

[BlerkOne]

18 hours ago, aborgman said:

 

 

Bribes are an illegal or unethical inducement to influence a person's behavior.

 

That is the difference between a discount/perk and a bribe. If it's legal - it ain't a bribe, it's a perk.

That is one definition. It is not a complete definition. Enticements are not necessarily illegal and are bribes.

[BlerkOne]

1 hour ago, aborgman said:

 

As for "cheap"...I grew up in a region and household that considers it a badge of honor. I'm proud of being cheap. It's a virtue.

Carnival's loyalty program has been described as cheap. Therefore it is virtuous and honorable.

[aborgman]

1 hour ago, Tom-n-Cheryl said:

 

(Mentally) going back to my internet beginnings. We'll, I should back up a bit and admit that my first computer was a TRS-80... early model (4K ram, cassette recorder/drive). I never went as far as to build a kit computer though. I subscribed to BYTE magazine (should have kept issue #1, lol). HECK, why didn't I keep all that stuff... and my baseball cards too ! ! !

 

Tom

 

Commodore Pet -> Commodore Vic20 -> Commodore 64 ->Original IBM PC -> Knockoff 386 (1200 baud modem like Wargames connecting to local BBS) -> HP 9000 model 730 (on the internet with Gopher, then NCSA Mosaic)

 

We had the good old TRS-80 (Trash-80's) in my high school computing lab.

[aborgman]

17 minutes ago, BlerkOne said:

That is one definition. It is not a complete definition. Enticements are not necessarily illegal and are bribes.

 

Enticements aren't necessarily bribes.

 

Bribes are enticements, perks are enticements, discounts are enticements, door prizes are enticements, sales are enticements,  and on and on and on and on...

 

You're confusing the set with it's members.

 

[BlerkOne]

3 minutes ago, aborgman said:

 

Enticements aren't necessarily bribes.

 

Bribes are enticements, perks are enticements, discounts are enticements, door prizes are enticements, sales are enticements,  and on and on and on and on...

 

You're confusing the set with it's members.

 

In your opinion. Getting back to the original topic, Carnival will never add a higher level, and will never move to a bribe based model.

[aborgman]

27 minutes ago, BlerkOne said:

In your opinion. Getting back to the original topic, Carnival will never add a higher level, and will never move to a bribe based model.

 

All loyalty programs, sales, perks, discounts, etc. are enticement based models.

 

None of them are bribes under any legal definition of the word.

 

 

[BlerkOne]

Just now, aborgman said:

 

All loyalty programs, sales, perks, discounts, etc. are enticement based models.

 

None of them are bribes under any legal definition of the word.

 

 

Anything can be argued. Puffery is not only legal, but encouraged - especially with marketing programs.

[aborgman]

7 minutes ago, BlerkOne said:

Puffery is not only legal, but encouraged - especially with marketing programs.

 

Yes... and puffery isn't bribery, and EVERY business in EVERY industry on the planet does it.

 

When Carnival induces people - you'll say it's a "perk". When the other cruise lines do the same thing, they're "bribing" their customers. It's hilariously transparent tribalism.

 

 

[BlerkOne]

Just now, aborgman said:

 

Yes... and puffery isn't bribery, and EVERY business in EVERY industry on the planet does it.

 

When Carnival induces people - you'll say it's a "perk". When the other cruise lines do the same thing, they're "bribing" their customers. It's hilariously transparent tribalism.

 

 

People don't cruise for Carnival perks. In fact, Carnival doesn't want cruisers who cruise for perks. That is not the case with Royal. It's reality.

[aborgman]

12 minutes ago, BlerkOne said:

People don't cruise for Carnival perks. In fact, Carnival doesn't want cruisers who cruise for perks. That is not the case with Royal. It's reality.

 

Yep... keep telling yourself that.

"The amoral late stage capitalist corporation I prefer doesn't act like all those other amoral capitalist corporations"

 

Some people cruise Carnival for perks... and Carnival wants those cruisers because Carnival wants any cruisers who turn a profit, no matter what they cruise for.

 

Some people cruise Royal for perks... and Royal wants those cruisers because Royal wants any cruisers who turn a profit, no matter what they cruise for.

 

 

 

[BlerkOne]

Just now, aborgman said:

 

Yep... keep telling yourself that.

"The amoral late stage capitalist corporation I prefer doesn't act like all those other amoral capitalist corporations"

 

Some people cruise Carnival for perks... and Carnival wants those cruisers because Carnival wants any cruisers who turn a profit, no matter what they cruise for.

 

Some people cruise Royal for perks... and Royal wants those cruisers because Royal wants any cruisers who turn a profit, no matter what they cruise for.

 

 

 

Some of us cruise. Like me. Now.

 

Have a nice day!

 

 

[Tom-n-Cheryl]

2 hours ago, aborgman said:

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Some people cruise Carnival for perks... and Carnival wants those cruisers because Carnival wants any cruisers who turn a profit, no matter what they cruise for.

 

Some people cruise Royal for perks... and Royal wants those cruisers because Royal wants any cruisers who turn a profit, no matter what they cruise for.

 

 

 

 

Lest we forget those who

 

> Cruise Carnival as they would NEVER sail with that "uppity" Royal Caribbean

 

>Cruise Royal Caribbean as they would NEVER sail on that "Walmart cruise line" Carnival.

 

Yep - people cruise for almost as many reasons as there are cruisers !

 

Tom

[icft]

6 hours ago, Tom-n-Cheryl said:

 

(Mentally) going back to my internet beginnings. We'll, I should back up a bit and admit that my first computer was a TRS-80... early model (4K ram, cassette recorder/drive). I never went as far as to build a kit computer though. I subscribed to BYTE magazine (should have kept issue #1, lol). HECK, why didn't I keep all that stuff... and my baseball cards too ! ! !

 

Tom

Am I the only guy who ever used an Osborne computer? Everyone seems to have had a TRS-80 but no one lugged an Osborne to work it seems. I lugged that thing all over Houston doing audits; my left arm is larger than my right to this day 😜 (keeping right hand free to open doors).

[Tom-n-Cheryl]

20 minutes ago, icft said:

Am I the only guy who ever used an Osborne computer? Everyone seems to have had a TRS-80 but no one lugged an Osborne to work it seems. I lugged that thing all over Houston doing audits; my left arm is larger than my right to this day 😜 (keeping right hand free to open doors).

 

 

Quite possibly !!

 

 

The TRS-80 was the "biggie" on my Christmas list one year. Only years later, after realizing the adjustment for inflation, did I realize how big an ask that was of my parents.

 

Late 70's, I was that kid in high school who was in the chess and computer clubs... yeppers...

 

Tom

[rellersi]

3 hours ago, icft said:

Am I the only guy who ever used an Osborne computer? Everyone seems to have had a TRS-80 but no one lugged an Osborne to work it seems. I lugged that thing all over Houston doing audits; my left arm is larger than my right to this day 😜 (keeping right hand free to open doors).

I remember the Osborne, using it was the first time I was able to work from home but yes did have to lug it around quite a bit

[PA Dutchman]

On 4/30/2024 at 10:38 AM, BlerkOne said:

People don't cruise for Carnival perks. In fact, Carnival doesn't want cruisers who cruise for perks. That is not the case with Royal. It's reality.

yep Carnival thinks there prices are good enough don't really need the loyalty program,  best perks come from the MGM casino not Carnival  

[BlerkOne]

34 minutes ago, PA Dutchman said:

yep Carnival thinks there prices are good enough don't really need the loyalty program,  best perks come from the MGM casino not Carnival  

Yep. Carnival isn't interested in a bidding war for fickle customers who need enticements.

[Tom-n-Cheryl]

1 hour ago, BlerkOne said:

Yep. Carnival isn't interested in a bidding war for fickle customers who need enticements.

They are a lot more generous with their "Drinks on Us Everywhere" "bribery" program though. 😁

 

I recall, pre-Covid, the only way to get (what was essentially) free CHEERS was to book an Elite cruise. Now virtually all my casino offers include it. I will say, that is a carrot worth several hundred!

 

Tom

[BlerkOne]

2 minutes ago, Tom-n-Cheryl said:

They are a lot more generous with their "Drinks on Us Everywhere" "bribery" program though. 😁

 

I recall, pre-Covid, the only way to get (what was essentially) free CHEERS was to book an Elite cruise. Now virtually all my casino offers include it. I will say, that is a carrot worth several hundred!

 

Tom

That's via casino marketing, not Carnival marketing. The people who actually pay for Cheers should protest, as it means they can wait even longer for their drinks.

[Tom-n-Cheryl]

1 hour ago, BlerkOne said:

That's via casino marketing, not Carnival marketing. The people who actually pay for Cheers should protest, as it means they can wait even longer for their drinks.

It's all Carnival, accept it 😉

[BlerkOne]

1 hour ago, Tom-n-Cheryl said:

It's all Carnival, accept it 😉

It's all Carnival Corp, but the casino and cruise line are separate. 

[Tom-n-Cheryl]

6 minutes ago, BlerkOne said:

It's all Carnival Corp, but the casino and cruise line are separate. 

Not really - it all goes into the same eventual big bucket!

[BlerkOne]

6 minutes ago, Tom-n-Cheryl said:

Not really - it all goes into the same eventual big bucket!

Corporate expects a certain ROI from each entity. They are separate.