My Parents Just Got off the Fantasy - Bad Experience with some pax

[LABecca]

Well there is no way to tell how a group will behave once onboard. You might have a really rowdy group of knitters.

 

I do think that certain offenders should not be allowed to book anymore groups. I also think that included in the docs should be a prominent code of conduct insert. To let people know in advance what will and will not be tolerated and it should be enforced.

[travelgrammy]

Well there is no way to tell how a group will behave once onboard. You might have a really rowdy group of knitters.

 

I do think that certain offenders should not be allowed to book anymore groups. I also think that included in the docs should be a prominent code of conduct insert. To let people know in advance what will and will not be tolerated and it should be enforced.

 

I think that's a great idea. I also think that the "all inclusive" group cruise, with a 24 hour open bar for members of the group, is a _really_ bad idea, and I'd like to see that not allowed.

[In2why]

I read your explanation. Unlike MIKEKV, I just don't think it's that persuasive. But maybe I missed the post where the OP wrote about 12 year olds that were being threatened? Or the passengers that were being intimidated? Look, I've got a husband who developed a horrible habit of profanity when he was driving cab. It's obnoxious, no question. And I'm very glad that he's working on it. But it isn't pornography or a means of intimidation. It's just a very bad habit. So yes, I read your explanation, and after I read it, I still felt that you read way too much in the situation. My opinion, which I'm entitled to.

 

There are laws against cursing in public, and at least here in VA they are enforceable in public situations. The exact law is Curse and Abuse. It is intimidating if someone is yelling FU at people because most reasonable people would assume argument and possible violence rather than normal behavior. As for pornography....it depends on what was said. We have a mall that is well known for young people who run around telling each other and strangers who get in the way to "suck their c*ck's" or their way of admiring women is to tell them they want to "tap that A$$". Perhaps that is normal conversation in some places, nowhere I want to be, but it is sexually degrading...another word for porn, and it sure is intimidating. I am hoping this type of language isn't just seen as a "bad habit" and it sure doesn't belong on a cruise ship or anywhere else civilized people gather. IMO

[travelgrammy]

 

You are entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts. There are laws against cursing in public, and at least here in VA they are enforceable in public situations. The exact law is Curse and Abuse. It is intimidating if someone is yelling FU at people because most reasonable people would assume argument and possible violence rather than normal behavior. As for pornography....it depends on what was said. We have a mall that is well known for young people who run around telling each other and strangers who get in the way to "suck their c*ck's" or their way of admiring women is to tell them they want to "tap that A$$". Perhaps that is normal conversation in some places, nowhere I want to be, but it is sexually degrading...another word for porn, and it sure is intimidating. I am hoping this type of language isn't just seen as a "bad habit" and it sure doesn't belong on a cruise ship or anywhere else civilized people gather. IMO

 

You really didn't read all the posts, did you? To clarify: There is intimidation through vulgar language, and then there is careless and obnoxious language, caused by the coarsening of the culture in general. The first is as you describe. The second, while it is obnoxious esp. when overheard by other people, is an extremely bad habit. (The second is what my DH picked up, and he doesn't use it in public. ) From the OP's post, I don't know which her father and aunts heard, or even if they heard both. It really doesn't say. And that was my ONLY question. I've had it resolved for me, and now I'm moving on, as well.

[WeBeCruisin']

I think that's a great idea. I also think that the "all inclusive" group cruise, with a 24 hour open bar for members of the group, is a _really_ bad idea, and I'd like to see that not allowed.

 

But once you start implementing bans and rules which cater to various sub-groups on a cruise, where does it end? There are quite a few passengers on cruises who would prefer that alcohol not be available at all, that gambling not be allowed, that Las Vegas style shows not be allowed, that smoking not be allowed, that dancing not be allowed, and that the adult comedy shows not be allowed.

 

In my opinion the "rules" already exist on a cruise ship... either as posted, or in the daily program, or just the normal social rules as to what's acceptable and what's offensive in common everyday behavior. The problem is in finding ways to enforce these rules and enact sanctions against those who violate them..... all the way from loud and vulgar language and behavior down to chair hogs, theater seat hogs, linebreakers and people who refuse to honor the dress code. :D

[vacruizer]

 

There are laws against cursing in public, and at least here in VA they are enforceable in public situations. The exact law is Curse and Abuse. It is intimidating if someone is yelling FU at people because most reasonable people would assume argument and possible violence rather than normal behavior. As for pornography....it depends on what was said. We have a mall that is well known for young people who run around telling each other and strangers who get in the way to "suck their c*ck's" or their way of admiring women is to tell them they want to "tap that A$$". Perhaps that is normal conversation in some places, nowhere I want to be, but it is sexually degrading...another word for porn, and it sure is intimidating. I am hoping this type of language isn't just seen as a "bad habit" and it sure doesn't belong on a cruise ship or anywhere else civilized people gather. IMO

 

I'll probably get myself in trouble here. You must be in Richmond or Hampton Roads. :D I say that because I've lived both places. :eek: There is a big difference between dropping occasional cuss words and the intimidating language you gave examples of - and those incidents should be treated as intimidation and harrassment.

[In2why]

 

You really didn't read all the posts, did you? To clarify: There is intimidation through vulgar language, and then there is careless and obnoxious language, caused by the coarsening of the culture in general. The first is as you describe. The second, while it is obnoxious esp. when overheard by other people, is an extremely bad habit. (The second is what my DH picked up, and he doesn't use it in public. ) From the OP's post, I don't know which her father and aunts heard, or even if they heard both. It really doesn't say. And that was my ONLY question. I've had it resolved for me, and now I'm moving on, as well.

 

My point is that they don't make a distinction here between bad habit and intimidating. If a person curses in some/most public places of VA especially in the ear shot of a county official then they will be charged with a misdemeanor. I curse myself so I know it is a bad habit, but knowing that you can and will be brought before a judge can help curb the habit and reduce the coarsening of society. That was the fact part I disputed in your post although I was too harsh and went and corrected that within minutes....but not before you quoted it.:)

[In2why]

 

I'll probably get myself in trouble here. You must be in Richmond or Hampton Roads. :D I say that because I've lived both places. :eek: There is a big difference between dropping occasional cuss words and the intimidating language you gave examples of - and those incidents should be treated as intimidation and harrassment.

 

I am pretty much in the boonies right in the middle of both of them. But if I want to go to a mall....those would be the places I have to go. :D

[Angiem]

I totally went on the ship intending to have a good time and show a good time to our first time cruising friends. I have been on 11 cruises (4 with Carnival) and I have always had a great time!!!! There are usually soo many things to do you can't possibly do them all.....that is why I was so shocked at the Fantasy. I totally believe the whole ship was trying to cater to this huge group which was impossible. I didn't and never do expect to "win big" in the casino but I usually see people having fun and winning something.......not this cruise.........the casino wasn't even all that busy. I saw many tables completely empty many many times. It was just a totally different mood on this cruise, something I never ever experienced before. I'm sorry if my opinion is different but I always give the benefit of the doubt......but I experienced this myself.

 

angie

[DJ Eddy]

I'm just going to put in my opinion as a Carnival employee. As a DJ a lot of pax come up to the DJ booth demanding songs and talking down to me (I too have a noticed a decline in the clientelle, I suppose it comes from cheaper cruise prices). They seem to have the impression that they can do my job better than me (i've actually handed over my headphones a few times and said "you think you can do better, please be my guest" and people tey and after ebout 30 seconds they look lost). I understand that Carnival is all about hospitality and that pax pay money to go on the ships but my perspective is nobody is above me, and if people treat me with respect then they will get respect back from me.

When I was back home earlier in the year I got a job on land that I hated and both the customers & the management treated the employees like dirt and so this has changed my mindset into not taking any flack from anyone. I can get sarcastic to people, some people think i'm rude but I don't think I am, I certainly never use any bad languauge, sarcasm is funnier & does the job better.

 

I know I could never be a purser... no thank you i'm happy as I am

[vacruizer]

I'm just going to put in my opinion as a Carnival employee. As a DJ a lot of pax come up to the DJ booth demanding songs and talking down to me (I too have a noticed a decline in the clientelle, I suppose it comes from cheaper cruise prices). They seem to have the impression that they can do my job better than me (i've actually handed over my headphones a few times and said "you think you can do better, please be my guest" and people tey and after ebout 30 seconds they look lost). I understand that Carnival is all about hospitality and that pax pay money to go on the ships but my perspective is nobody is above me, and if people treat me with respect then they will get respect back from me.

When I was back home earlier in the year I got a job on land that I hated and both the customers & the management treated the employees like dirt and so this has changed my mindset into not taking any flack from anyone. I can get sarcastic to people, some people think i'm rude but I don't think I am, I certainly never use any bad languauge, sarcasm is funnier & does the job better.

 

I know I could never be a purser... no thank you i'm happy as I am

 

Having spent some time in the disco on our Liberty Halloween trip I have a hard time picturing you being mean to anyone - you just seemed like a nice guy! But good for you for standing up for yourself. I always hated dealing with the people who talked down to me when I worked in the hospitality industry. The ones who figured that just because they were a customer an you were in a service oriented job they could treat you like dirt.

 

Sorry to be off topic - but thanks for the job you do - we aren't dancers but really enjoyed hanging out in the disco and listening to the tunes onboard. Maybe we will see you next July if you are back then - i know you said you might be when we asked Karl at his talk the last day.

[cathyoo]

I'm just going to put in my opinion as a Carnival employee. As a DJ a lot of pax come up to the DJ booth demanding songs and talking down to me (I too have a noticed a decline in the clientelle, I suppose it comes from cheaper cruise prices).

 

Wow, tell us about your job and what it is really like working for Carnival. Have you ever worked for another cruiseline? Pros and Cons of being employed on a cruise ship. Maybe you could start another thread. "Answers from DJ Eddy".

Wow, could you be popular on here.

[DJ Eddy]

Wow, tell us about your job and what it is really like working for Carnival. Have you ever worked for another cruiseline? Pros and Cons of being employed on a cruise ship. Maybe you could start another thread. "Answers from DJ Eddy".

Wow, could you be popular on here.

 

ha ha ha... i'd be like the Simon Cowell of Carnival. I probably wouldn't have answers for half of the questions anyway.

[LHP]

ha ha ha... i'd be like the Simon Cowell of Carnival. I probably wouldn't have answers for half of the questions anyway.

 

 

If you are still on the Freedom November 30th, we will see you there!!!! :D

[DJ Eddy]

If you are still on the Freedom November 30th, we will see you there!!!! :D

I'll proboaly still be there, would have thought so anyway

[jayesouthworth]

It must be the upbringing of people. We were on the elevator going to the Lido deck. The door opens and immediately 8 people try to pile on to the elevator without letting us off first. I said "would you kindly step back so we can get off." A couple of them said rudely "WOW, have another drink!" Too bad I wasn't drinking, I wouldn't have said it so nicely. Some people are just bred with no manners and will never have them.

[LHP]

I'll proboaly still be there, would have thought so anyway

 

Oops...we just had to move it up to the Nov 22nd sailing. Hope to get to meet you.

[Podorama]

It's a little difficult to ignore people who are being loud, obnoxious, insulting, demeaning, and throwing around profanity.

 

Oh, of course, we can always just "go to another area" of the ship.

 

My question is why is it that the people who are behaving in a civilized manner are the ones who are inconvenienced? Why shouldn't those few who are being unpleasant be the ones who should be inconvienced?

 

Why is it that, in these instances, minority rules?

 

It's simply a matter of consideration.

 

HERE HERE... Way to be NC.... I could not agree more!

[Podorama]

I personally do not like these large groups. I don't care if it is hells angels or a knitting club, it seems something happens to these people when they are with a large group.

 

They tend to be noisier, ruder and often bordering on vulgar behavior.

 

I haven't noticed this same behavior when it is a large family group.

 

When we are boarding and I see a group wearing the same color shirts, I cringe. I can not remember a single time I was glad there was a group of anything "club" on board.

 

Heck, you will see the same problems of attitude with a cc group cruise... just read the official cc group cruise threads/posts and how they talk about how they will "Take over the ship".. just one more reason I avoid group cruises... including, official, sectioned, promoted cc group cruises. (I am speaking of the cc group cruises, not CC folks from the Roll Calls)

I think it is a tribal thing..... Really, anywhere in the world you still have a strong tribal culture, you have serious problem... and yes, a gang is a tribe.

[Rowan555]

WOW. I left for 7 days on the NCL Spirit the morning after I started this thread, and I had NO idea the thread was still going strong two weeks later!

 

I hope no one thought I posted a "hit and run" thread. I just read all the posts, and wow, I definitely started some drama, didn't I?

 

I read in another thread that apparently many of the passengers on the cruise with my parents removed tips from their accounts - so it sounds like it was a bad cruise for passengers and crew alike. What a shame. My dad said he gave the deli worker a $20 tip on the last day b/c he felt terrible about all the abuse he seemed to be taking all week from passengers. Now he says he wishes he had tipped his dining room servers and steward extra as well, knowing they got stiffed by so many other people.

 

I will say the NCL Spirit had a MUCH different demographic than the Fantasy cruise the week before. We'll be on the Fantasy in January and I'm hoping for a good group of pax that week - it's our friends' first cruise, and we don't want it to be their last.

[Amlee]

One of the worse cases of a crew member being rude to or in this case attacked was on the Fantasy in 2005. This young crew member was being verbal attacked and the guy was threating her. To the point he told her if she was from his neighborhood, he would take care of her. Now this was a white male in his mid to late 60s with a very strong New York accent. She was trying to tell the guy she was just doing her job and was in tears. It was to the point that the man wasn't listing to anything she was saying and his wife was behind him yelling across his shoulder at the girl.

 

I stepped up took her by the arm and told her she had said enough and wasn't getting anywhere with this man. By that time security and the cruise director and his wife (who I believe was the hotel manager on board) had arrived. Security and the cruise director went about getting the still screaming and cussing couple off the ship (we were disembarking the ship). I handed the now sobbing crew member over to the wife. As we walked off the ship, I could hear the man still screaming some where in the terminal. I guess his threat that he was going to own the cruise line and that ship didn't go as he promised it would.

 

But it doesn't just happen to Carnival. Recently on Celebrity at was eating lunch in the buffet. My back was to the kids club that was also having lunch in that section. All of a sudden I hear the F word dropped. I asked the lady who I was eating with if she heard it. Her eyes were huge and she said yes, it's coming from behind you. I turned and there sat two boys 7 to 8 years old. About the time I turned around the Fbomb was drop again by the older of the two boys. I looked at the lady I was sitting with and said I know he did just say what I thought he said. About that time out popped the F bomb again from him.

 

I got up to go to the counselor when she came and got the two boys. Not sure she heard them or not, as the two boys were sitting off from the rest of the group. They were the only boys in the group. The rest was girls who seemed to either be very small for their age or were several years younger than the boys.

 

 

It must be the upbringing of people. We were on the elevator going to the Lido deck. The door opens and immediately 8 people try to pile on to the elevator without letting us off first. I said "would you kindly step back so we can get off." A couple of them said rudely "WOW, have another drink!" Too bad I wasn't drinking, I wouldn't have said it so nicely. Some people are just bred with no manners and will never have them.

 

 

OH OH OH! Talking about pet peeves! This is a huge one for me. How the bloody hell do people think they can get on a already full elevator is beyond me!? I have to get OFF before you can get on!

 

In your case when they responded I would have promptly said WOW, get a few manners!

[WeBeCruisin']

Heck, you will see the same problems of attitude with a cc group cruise... just read the official cc group cruise threads/posts and how they talk about how they will "Take over the ship".. just one more reason I avoid group cruises... including, official, sectioned, promoted cc group cruises. (I am speaking of the cc group cruises, not CC folks from the Roll Calls)

 

I think it is a tribal thing..... Really, anywhere in the world you still have a strong tribal culture, you have serious problem... and yes, a gang is a tribe.

 

They don't mean it literally. It's just a figure of speech meaning that they're planning to really have a great cruise.

 

I've been on two cc group cruises and am signed up for two more and have never seen any of our members attempt to "take over" the ship.:rolleyes:

 

The Saints and Sinners group cruises are the evidence of a "tribe" attempting to hijack and take over a ship?

 

I'm thinking maybe you've been mixing too much tang into your prune juice and Ovaltine. :)

[KruznKel]

Heck, you will see the same problems of attitude with a cc group cruise... just read the official cc group cruise threads/posts and how they talk about how they will "Take over the ship".. just one more reason I avoid group cruises... including, official, sectioned, promoted cc group cruises. (I am speaking of the cc group cruises, not CC folks from the Roll Calls)

 

I think it is a tribal thing..... Really, anywhere in the world you still have a strong tribal culture, you have serious problem... and yes, a gang is a tribe.

 

NO you don't I have been on 3 so far going on my 4th in a few short days.. please don't say that crap.. we don't take over anywhere except pvt areas reserved for us.. I am sure if you asked we would all do a tribal dance for you so that you could come back here and report the same crap:rolleyes: