Hooray-- Celebrity Smoking Policy Change Coming Soon

[marle7]

I'm sure the smokers won't hear back, since Celebrity will only want to hear from the people who support this. I don't expect to hear back either.

[wolfshadow]

If you don't hear anything back it won't be because you are a smoker. It will most likely be because for every letter or email they are receiving from pax that are not happy with the new policy, they are probably receiving two to four times as many from pax that are extremely happy with it. JMHO.

[Drew B]

I e-mailed and received a response, but it was such a canned, form response that just reiterated the press release. There was no indication that anybody had actually read the specific points in my e-mail. Instead, it just seemed that they read the subject line and responded with the generic "unhappy smoker" response...

[Blazerboy]

Hmmmm. a few things:

 

Smoke, left to its own devices, is not that good about telling the difference between Port and Starboard, which is why 'smoking sections' of restaurants are also rapidly dissapearing.:cool: It is the one 'habit' of all described that 'doesn't know its place.'

 

The only threat to your health from a chair hog is actually the reverse- they might SAVE you from too much sun exposure.:)

 

While there HAVE been outfits that seared my retinas because they were SO awful, rarely has there been any permanent scaring.:D

 

And, while true that a loud, obnoxious drunk is unpleasant, there, generally, is not a lasting impact on other cruisers, save for assault, which I believe the lines would police. :eek:

 

As for liquor smuggling, I've only brought wine...and paid corkage...and even then, have reduced the amount we bring on at embarcation because of the new policy. I am not happy about this, but I accept it.:rolleyes:

 

It's rather a dangerous path to justify breaking one rule by saying other rules aren't being enforced.

 

I actually DO like the idea of smoking lounges with super duper air purifying systems because I have friends with whom I'd like to continue to cruise, but would expect the cost of these facilities to be paid for by income from those who use them, just as bars and casinos do.

 

Last one: This will never be resolved on these boards

Hopefully we can still be civil, though.

 

Andrew

[blong2200]

Hmmmm. a few things:

 

Smoke, left to its own devices, is not that good about telling the difference between Port and Starboard, which is why 'smoking sections' of restaurants are also rapidly dissapearing.:cool: It is the one 'habit' of all described that 'doesn't know its place.'

 

The only threat to your health from a chair hog is actually the reverse- they might SAVE you from too much sun exposure.:)

 

While there HAVE been outfits that seared my retinas because they were SO awful, rarely has there been any permanent scaring.:D

 

And, while true that a loud, obnoxious drunk is unpleasant, there, generally, is not a lasting impact on other cruisers, save for assault, which I believe the lines would police. :eek:

 

As for liquor smuggling, I've only brought wine...and paid corkage...and even then, have reduced the amount we bring on at embarcation because of the new policy. I am not happy about this, but I accept it.:rolleyes:

 

It's rather a dangerous path to justify breaking one rule by saying other rules aren't being enforced.

 

I actually DO like the idea of smoking lounges with super duper air purifying systems because I have friends with whom I'd like to continue to cruise, but would expect the cost of these facilities to be paid for by income from those who use them, just as bars and casinos do.

 

Last one: This will never be resolved on these boards

Hopefully we can still be civil, though.

 

Andrew

 

You are correct, this subject always becomes smokers vs. non smokers. It seem no one acts civil when discussing the subject.

[Host Anne]

Good morning Celebrity posters ~ it's Friday and I hope you are all going to have a great weekend. I wanted to stop by and remind everyone that while this subject is definitely controversial, we still need to abide by our Community Guidelines when posting.

 

That means no derogatory or demeaning remarks to smokers; no slams to non-smokers; etc., etc., etc. We understand emotions are running high regarding this new policy. Please read what you've written before you post. We are at a zero tolerance for Guidelines violations.

 

If you believe there is a violation, please hit the red alert triangle and do NOT respond on the board. We would like the discussion to continue in a civilized manner, however, that has been hard to achieve thus far.

 

Also understand that both Host Walt and I have full time jobs and families and can't catch every post the moment they appear. Your assistance and patience are greatly appreciated.

[Gerrym]

I agree wholeheartedly. I am a smoker and book a balconey specifically so I can enjoy a cigarette outside. I never smoke in my cabin.

 

I booked a cruise on the Millenium over a year ago from Auckland to Sydney 11/23/08 and I am going to cancel and unfortunately will never book again with Celebrity with their new smoking policy. It is unfortunate as Celebrity is my premier line and first choice in cruising for many reasons. I have a cabin booked on another line as I did not want to risk being taken off the ship for not abiding by the rules. I did take the opportunity to email Dan Hanrahan, however I'm sure that there will be no changes.

 

Valerie

 

 

Valerie, Celebrity is my premier line for exactly the resaons you mention. I would guess for every 1 person that does not agree with the new policy, there are 5-10 that do.

If I ran a large cruise line in a mass market environment, I would be trying to attract the majority too. I would also try to lower my running costs by banning smoking which means the environment can be cleaned and redecorated less often as it will not be solied by smoke.

 

 

 

G

[terrydtx]

Valerie, Celebrity is my premier line for exactly the resaons you mention. I would guess for every 1 person that does not agree with the new policy, there are 5-10 that do.

If I ran a large cruise line in a mass market environment, I would be trying to attract the majority too. I would also try to lower my running costs by banning smoking which means the environment can be cleaned and redecorated less often as it will not be solied by smoke.

 

 

 

G

 

I wonder how much it cost Celebrity to remove the smoke odor from a cabin after every cruise and given the short turn around on departures.:confused: A friend of mine who owns a rental care franchise told me once that it costs him about $150 to remove the cigarette smell from cars where smokers have violated their non smoking policy. They also state on their rental agreements that they will be charged a $250 cleaning fee plus any damages for smoking violations.

[HeartsLover]

Hmmmm. a few things:

 

Smoke, left to its own devices, is not that good about telling the difference between Port and Starboard, which is why 'smoking sections' of restaurants are also rapidly dissapearing.:cool: It is the one 'habit' of all described that 'doesn't know its place.'

 

The only threat to your health from a chair hog is actually the reverse- they might SAVE you from too much sun exposure.:)

 

While there HAVE been outfits that seared my retinas because they were SO awful, rarely has there been any permanent scaring.:D

 

And, while true that a loud, obnoxious drunk is unpleasant, there, generally, is not a lasting impact on other cruisers, save for assault, which I believe the lines would police. :eek:

 

As for liquor smuggling, I've only brought wine...and paid corkage...and even then, have reduced the amount we bring on at embarcation because of the new policy. I am not happy about this, but I accept it.:rolleyes:

 

It's rather a dangerous path to justify breaking one rule by saying other rules aren't being enforced.

 

I actually DO like the idea of smoking lounges with super duper air purifying systems because I have friends with whom I'd like to continue to cruise, but would expect the cost of these facilities to be paid for by income from those who use them, just as bars and casinos do.

 

Last one: This will never be resolved on these boards

 

Hopefully we can still be civil, though.

 

Andrew

 

And someone smoking in their cabin is no theat to your health either. You can say that if you get the cabin after a smoker, it stinks, but that is not a threat to your health In your list of current rules being broken on cruise ships, you failed to mention babies in diapers in the pool. Ecoli is a much more immediate risk to people's health then 2nd hand smoke, but hey, it's not a cigarette, so no one complains.

[terrydtx]

After smoking for almost 30 years I got really tired of but put up with:

 

• Having to smoke outside my office building in the rain, cold and snow

• Having to wake in the morning craving that first cigarette and hacking up who knows what

• Having nicotine withdrawal on airline flights longer than 2 hours and then finding the arrival or connecting airport is totally non smoking

• Having to hear lectures from my friends and family about the evils of smoking

• Having to sit in a restaurant with my non smoking friends and family in the no smoking section and not being able to enjoy a smoke with the meal or going outside in the rain, cold and snow

• Having to stay in hotels with no smoking rooms available so once again I am outside in the rain, cold and snow

• Having my wife threaten to leave me if didn’t stop smoking

 

But 5 years ago I went cold turkey and quit the habit for good, but not for any of the above reasons, it took my doctor telling me I had extreme hypertension and that if I didn’t stop smoking I would most likely have heart disease and a heart attack in less than 5 years. :eek: Now I have one added benefit from not smoking I can cruise on any cruise line with out the worry of changes in any smoking policy, and fly in airplanes for longer than 2 hours to get to that cruise with out worry. :p And with a longer life expectancy, I will now enjoy so many more cruises in my lifetime. :eek: I am not condemning attacking or criticizing any smoker just telling you what was best for me.

[deeva211]

And someone smoking in their cabin is no theat to your health either. You can say that if you get the cabin after a smoker, it stinks, but that is not a threat to your health

 

Not true. Just the smell of residual smoke can send me into a severe asthma attack.

[Blazerboy]

you failed to mention babies in diapers in the pool. Ecoli is a much more immediate risk to people's health then 2nd hand smoke, but hey, it's not a cigarette, so no one complains.

:eek: Ewww. Yuck. You're absolutely right that the diaper thing is gross...but I honestly am 25 times more likely to complain about the diaper than a cigarette! I'm actually not a rabid non-smoker. Stale cigarette smell is unattractive, but you're right...it can be dealt with by cleaning and other treatments, hopefully. However, active or new smoke does leave one cabin and go into another. And, yes, second hand smoke is a danger, despite all blogs and conspiracy theorist papers to the contrary.

 

But I was just discussing this with another friend, and I agree it's hard. We all draw the line somewhere. For some, it's all or nothing. (on either side of the argument). This leaves respectful/tolerant folks out. Here's the old cliche, but it's true: Some of my best friends are smokers, and, while I'd rather they didn't, I certainly have ashtrays for them at my house....outside. (hey, I live in California...not a big punishment to smoke outside!:) ) And I think that, as long as there are areas for them to smoke on the ship, it's fine too.

 

But being an 'outdoor' smoker for twenty years (even in New England winters!), I have a hard time with those who insist on smoking in shared indoor space- no, I'm not saying "no, you can't," just saying "I really don't like it." The compromise of one or two indoor spaces that clearly do allow smoking may be the solution. Fortunately for me, I'm not a gambler, so the casino's yours as far as I'm concerned.;) Others disagree...:o

 

So I think two things here; Cruise lines know that more of us are in the "I don't like it" category, so, sadly for smokers, there are likely to be more restrictions rather than fewer. But also, with cruises continuing to attract an international crowd (and with the dollar in its current state, that's most every cruise) I don't think you'll see wholesale banning of smoking either, at least not for years. The international market has a higher percentage of smokers, it seems. But, as you've probably seen, even that is changing in many European countries...who ever thought Ireland would ban smoking in pubs???

 

Andrew

[Blazerboy]

Now I have one added benefit from not smoking I can cruise on any cruise line with out the worry of changes in any smoking policy, and fly in airplanes for longer than 2 hours to get to that cruise with out worry. :p And with a longer life expectancy, I will now enjoy so many more cruises in my lifetime

Congratulations! I'm about to hit 6 years! But you forgot my favorite benefit: The savings from not buying cigarettes funds at least one of my cruises every year!:D

 

Andrew

[terrydtx]

Congratulations! I'm about to hit 6 years! But you forgot my favorite benefit: The savings from not buying cigarettes funds at least one of my cruises every year!:D

 

Andrew

 

Not only the savings of the cost of the cigarettes, less cost for life insurance, car insurance and almost $2000 a year in health insurance savings. Almost enought to pay for 2 cruises per year:D :D

[Blazerboy]

Gee, I should call my TA right now...oh, wait, I'm leaving on trip # one of two this year on Wednesday! Money's already spent!:D

 

Andrew

[Captain Jake]

And someone smoking in their cabin is no theat to your health either. You can say that if you get the cabin after a smoker, it stinks, but that is not a threat to your health In your list of current rules being broken on cruise ships, you failed to mention babies in diapers in the pool. Ecoli is a much more immediate risk to people's health then 2nd hand smoke, but hey, it's not a cigarette, so no one complains.

 

With due respect.Where have you been?Diapers in pool is number 3 right behind dress code.Besides I can stay out of the pool.Its harder to avoid drifting smoke

[HeartsLover]

With due respect.Where have you been?Diapers in pool is number 3 right behind dress code.Besides I can stay out of the pool.Its harder to avoid drifting smoke

 

Drifting smoke while I am in my cabin? With my door closed. Oh please. Maybe you can stay out of the pool because you don't like a pool, but tell that to the majority of cruisers and see what they think of diapered babies in the pool. Again, a much bigger immediate health hazzard to anyone then 2nd hand smoke.

[Captain Jake]

Drifting smoke while I am in my cabin? With my door closed. Oh please. Maybe you can stay out of the pool because you don't like a pool, but tell that to the majority of cruisers and see what they think of diapered babies in the pool. Again, a much bigger immediate health hazzard to anyone then 2nd hand smoke.

 

you don't really believe that.Do you?'If you do,it does not remove that facts about second hand smoke.

[usha]

With due respect.Where have you been?Diapers in pool is number 3 right behind dress code.Besides I can stay out of the pool.Its harder to avoid drifting smoke

Diapers in the pool...or do you say: "Close encounters of the turd kind"?:rolleyes: