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Although I think it is a good idea to have your child know their way around, I would NEVER expect that my 10 year old would be able to sign herself out of camp carnival. I think that is way too young to be able to be alone.
[B]C'mon people...we are talking about 3000 or so strangers![/B] It may be a slim chance that anything could happen, but it certainly is possible! Personally, my daughter will not leave my sight. We will have a plan in place should she ever end up lost, but she wont be allowed to stroll around the ship alone.

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[quote name='Zee777']Although I think it is a good idea to have your child know their way around, I would NEVER expect that my 10 year old would be able to sign herself out of camp carnival. I think that is way too young to be able to be alone. [COLOR=red]Well, that's the rule in Camp Carnival. Any parent who thinks the rule is silly...only needs to WAIVE the signout rule at the orientation when filling out the paperwork. Really...it's up to the parents.[/COLOR]
[B]C'mon people...we are talking about 3000 or so strangers![/B] It may be a slim chance that anything could happen, but it certainly is possible! Personally, my daughter will not leave my sight. We will have a plan in place should she ever end up lost, but she wont be allowed to stroll around the ship alone.[/quote]

You are obviously a responsible parent.....others aren't. Then when something happens, they blame everyone but themselves.

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[quote name='Rowan555']Speaking I had forgotten about this situation until just now. On our cruise in January, my 8 year old got a very bad headache after being head-butted at camp during a game. She was miserable and the counselors wanted her to be signed out to take some ibuprofen and lie down. She couldn't sign herself out, [COLOR="Red"]and the staff had no way to contact us,[/COLOR] so they asked my 9 year old son to sign out and go find us and ask us to get his sister. At that time, we had told him he was only to sign out for scavenger hunt activities and when we arrived to sign out his sister, and he understood this rule. We were sitting on the Promenade deck playing cards when he walked up, and I nearly yelled at him because he was not supposed to be wandering the ship, he was supposed to be in camp. He explained the situation, and I signed out his sister (and he signed himself back into camp). As G'ma pointed out earlier, it's a camp and activity program, not a babysitting service, and they don't want kids there who are sick. I had no problem with the way the staff handled the situation, but after reading this thread, I'm sure many parents would be livid if their 9 year old was told to sign out and search the ship for his or her parents![/QUOTE]

Ok, that right there is not good....what if your hurt child didn't have a sibling in camp with them. :confused:

Doesn't CCL have some sort of set up to get in contact with a parent in case the need arises????? :eek:

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[quote name='halos']Ok, that right there is not good....what if your hurt child didn't have a sibling in camp with them. :confused:

Doesn't CCL have some sort of set up to get in contact with a parent in case the need arises????? :eek:[/QUOTE]

They'll call the room, but who sits around in their room? Unless it's a dire emergency, they're not going to have you paged over the announcement system. It's just one of those things - I've gone to pick the kids up before and found out one of them felt sick, or wanted to leave, or something like that - and unless it's something very, very serious, they just have the kids wait it out. That's one good thing about the camp activities ending after 3 hours throughout the day - you can't leave them there TOO long without checking in on them and picking them up.

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I think if I had kids that I cruised with I'd invest in some good walkie talkies or pagers, that way they CAN get in touch with me if they need me.
Just saying.............
Carole

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[quote name='Rowan555']They'll call the room, but who sits around in their room? Unless it's a dire emergency, they're not going to have you paged over the announcement system. It's just one of those things - I've gone to pick the kids up before and found out one of them felt sick, or wanted to leave, or something like that - and unless it's something very, very serious, they just have the kids wait it out. That's one good thing about the camp activities ending after 3 hours throughout the day - you can't leave them there TOO long without checking in on them and picking them up.[/QUOTE]

I just would hope that the person who is making the decision on what constitutes an emergency or what is 'very, very serious' is on the same page as the parents that leave their child there...

I'm glad my kids are adults. I have free time before they start having kids and I have Grandchildren to worry about :p

[quote name='kyrisong1']I think if I had kids that I cruised with I'd invest in some good walkie talkies or pagers, that way they CAN get in touch with me if they need me.
Just saying.............
Carole[/QUOTE]
That would be comforting...much better as a matter of fact. Rowan's experience just turned me off....I seriously don't find sending an older child off to find their prents cool. I know her kids are familiar with the ship and she is ok with it, which is fine. personally I wouldn't have liked that at all. Edited by halos

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[quote name='halos']I'm glad my kids are adults. I have free time before they start having kids and I have Grandchildren to worry about :p[/quote]

LOL! Me too.......because we are a family that cruises/travels together we already had a family meeting about no little ones to Vegas or cruising........I have no problem bringing them to a beach condo in Hawaii:D
Different strokes for different folks......

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[quote name='halos']
That would be comforting...much better as a matter of fact. Rowan's experience just turned me off....I seriously don't find sending an older child off to find their prents cool. I know her kids are familiar with the ship and she is ok with it, which is fine. personally I wouldn't have liked that at all.[/QUOTE]

At the time, I actually wasn't at all cool with it - in the end it worked out for the best, as my daughter had a huge knot on her forehead and almost had a black eye, and she really did need me to pick her up. So the ends justified the means, in that particular case. Had my son not been as familiar with the ship as he was, though, I would have been pretty irritated with the staff for sending my 9 year old on a wild goose chase to find us. What if they had sent a child who was not sure of his way around, and was prone to getting upset - then the parents would have had a lost and crying child who knows where wandering around the ship, AND an injured kid stuck in camp. That could have ended badly! As I said, it's just one more thing for parents to talk to their kids about, because it seems the list of "what ifs" is a bit longer than all of us realized when dealing with kids 9 and up at Camp Carnival!

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[quote name='Rowan555']Imitrex does nothing for me, and Maxalt gives me rebound headaches from hell. I will have to try Zomig. My doctor moved to FL 2 years ago and I haven't gotten around to getting a new one yet. After spending 4 days in bed, I think it's time to find one.[/quote]

It's funny how we all react to different things. I was fortunate in that I only had to try two meds. Zomig gives me rebound headaches from hell, but Imitrex is my wonder drug! I'm out though...need to go to the dr to get a new Rx.

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YOWZA!!! This thread has taken on a life of its own. Let me preface this my saying that I am a 35 year old that doesn't have any kids. Quite frankly, I don't think that I would want to raise a child in today's world--but that is a different topic.

I did teach for several years, so I am very aware of children having different needs, strengths, and weaknesses. I am also aware that there are many philosophies on how to best parent a child. Although I didn't agree with all of the parenting that I observed, I do know that virtually all parents are doing the [B]absolute best they[/B] [B]can to raise a healthy, productive, and smart human being. [/B]

I don't agree with everyone's opinions on this thread, but I do agree with their right to have the opinion.

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I read this site everyday and have never posted any comments until now. We have just returned from the May 31 sailing on the Carnival Valor. Our 9 year old granddaughter went with us on this cruise. Camp carnival let our granddaughter, who is 9 years old, check herself out. This was her first cruise. We did not know that they could check themselves out. She had lost her sign and sail card and was upset about this. We found her roaming around on deck 6, crying because she could not find our room. And even if she had found the room, she could not get in without her card.

When you leave a child , you expect them to be with the people you left them with, and that their safety and general welfare are being addressed.

Over 3000 people on this cruise and I do not let my 9 year old granddaughter roam the ship and I do not expect Carnival to let her either. My grand kids will not attend anymore Camp Carnival activies.

Carnival's policy needs to be re-thought.

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[quote name='lido leon']I read this site everyday and have never posted any comments until now. [/quote]

Noticed you just joined CC today and wanted to welcome you to the Board!

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[quote name='caribbean dreams']Noticed you just joined CC today and wanted to welcome you to the Board![/quote]

Thanks.

I read the site almost everyday and this subject hit home . So, I registered and made my first post.

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[quote name='lido leon']Thanks.

I read the site almost everyday and this subject hit home . So, I registered and made my first post.[/quote]

Very smart to read awhile before just jumping in around here!

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[quote name='PaulMedik']PACURN,

No flames from me. Just complete agreement. :)[/quote]
[FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=3][COLOR=magenta]Thanks Paul. :)[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]

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[quote name='lido leon']I read this site everyday and have never posted any comments until now. We have just returned from the May 31 sailing on the Carnival Valor. Our 9 year old granddaughter went with us on this cruise. Camp carnival let our granddaughter, who is 9 years old, check herself out. This was her first cruise. We did not know that they could check themselves out. She had lost her sign and sail card and was upset about this. We found her roaming around on deck 6, crying because she could not find our room. And even if she had found the room, she could not get in without her card.

When you leave a child , you expect them to be with the people you left them with, and that their safety and general welfare are being addressed.

Over 3000 people on this cruise and I do not let my 9 year old granddaughter roam the ship and I do not expect Carnival to let her either. My grand kids will not attend anymore Camp Carnival activies.

Carnival's policy needs to be re-thought.[/QUOTE]

When you register your 9-11 year old child for camp, you must check a box to allow them to sign themselves out. If you do not check this box, they cannot sign themselves out - period. Are you saying you did NOT check the box allowing her to sign herself out, yet the counselors allowed her to sign herself out? Moreover, did you inform your granddaughter that she was not allowed to sign herself out, yet she did so anyway? Sounds like quite the breakdown in communication all around...

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[quote name='grneyedgirl'] I am a 35 year old that doesn't have any kids. Quite frankly, I don't think that I would want to raise a child in today's world--but that is a different topic.

[/QUOTE]

I just felt the need to reply to this. I have two kids - 8 and 9 year olds - and I love raising my children in today's world. Is it perfect? Of course not. But I'm able to experience something beautiful and wonderful with them each and every day, and I can't imagine life without them. Even with my migraine, lol, I love the world, and no matter how bad it gets, there's always beauty and love and wonder all around us, if we look in the right places.

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[quote name='nealstuber']I think we pretty much agree. And - no it would not be a huge deal if they raised it. Most of the kids we see about on the ship weren't signed into camp in the first place (ours included). My interest in this topic is two-fold. 1) My kids will be even less inclined to use the camp if they feel they are being treated "like babies." 2) I don't like that Carnival (and the other lines) are being forced to make this "non-issue-issue" a prority. I'd rather see the kids camps focused on providing new an exciting things to do.

Just had a funny thought - my first cruise was in 2nd grade on the Statendam. Grandma and Grandpa took me to Bermuda and I remember making my way to the card room on the 1st sea day. Guess what we did - MESSAGE IN A BOTTLE! As has been beeten to death on another thread - that doesn't happen anymore because the nil envirnmental impact was taken out of context and given disproportionate importance by a few folks unable to see the big picture. I feel the same way about this topic (and the swine flu thing too).[/quote]
[FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=3][COLOR=magenta]How fun "Message in a Bottle" would be, but you are right about environmental thing. It could never happen. [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=3][COLOR=#ff00ff]I liked your comment about the "Nanny state". Funny. [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]

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[quote name='tedjazz']It's plain to see that this is one of those arguments that can not be resolved. Posters are firmly planted in two camps. 1) Parents wanting to protect their kids and 2) Parents who don't think anything will happen to their kids because they have prepared them on how to react to every possible situation they may come up against. Maybe it's time to let this thing die and hope that all turns out well for everyone who cruises with their kids. Oh and Good Luck. :)[/quote]
[FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=3][COLOR=magenta]Well I guess you would place me in Cat #2, but I must say that I [I]Never[/I] said I don't think anything could happen to my kids. I just want them to be able to make good decisions if something does. Calmness enables someone to make better decisions.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=3][COLOR=#ff00ff]As a nurse I have to be calm in the midst of chaos. If a patient stops breathing I need to be calm in order to think and direct people to do what needs to be done. Its a matter of life and death. [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]

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[quote name='Traveler353'][SIZE=3][COLOR=darkred]468 post and still entertaining. The OP has got to be laughing his tail off.:D[/COLOR][/SIZE][/quote]
[FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=3][COLOR=magenta]I"m sure you are right, It's always entertaining getting involved in threads like this, It's like a drug, you just can't stay away from it. Since I'm an opinionate fool I have to get into the mix. it's fun. :D[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]

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[quote name='Warm Breezes']But unless the OP comes back to clarify all we have are "assumptions".[/quote]
[FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=3][COLOR=magenta]You know what assuming gets you don't you???? :D[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]

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[quote name='nealstuber']Folks with a thinner skin might be incensed by the statement that my children are "unfortunate" to be raised by me. The higher power we believe in is God. We thank God for our many blessings and keep them in mind when we face adversity.[/quote]
[FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=3][COLOR=magenta]Amen. [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]

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[quote name='grneyedgirl']YOWZA!!! This thread has taken on a life of its own. Let me preface this my saying that I am a 35 year old that doesn't have any kids. Quite frankly, I don't think that I would want to raise a child in today's world--but that is a different topic.

I did teach for several years, so I am very aware of children having different needs, strengths, and weaknesses. I am also aware that there are many philosophies on how to best parent a child. Although I didn't agree with all of the parenting that I observed, I do know that virtually all parents are doing the [B]absolute best they[/B] [B]can to raise a healthy, productive, and smart human being. [/B]

I don't agree with everyone's opinions on this thread, but I do agree with their right to have the opinion.[/QUOTE]


EXCELLENT response..

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[quote name='unklez']CC Host - can you close this thread please?[/QUOTE]

Why??? If you are done with the topic, just skip it next time you sign on.

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[quote=G'ma;19886633]You are obviously a responsible parent.....others aren't. Then when something happens, they blame everyone but themselves.[/quote]

Can't say I blame you for not reading through the who thread - but several of us who have been with it for a while have made the case that the allowing your kids to grow in a controlled environment is the responsible thing to do. The only person I saw blaming someone else when something happened was the OP.

[quote name='lido leon'] My grand kids will not attend anymore Camp Carnival activies.

Carnival's policy needs to be re-thought.[/quote]

Totally disagree. If you feel your 9-year old can not navigate the ship safely - then you have the option to tell her to stay put (or stay out of the camp - like you're doing). Don't presume to take the option from others because of your parenting sytle.

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[quote name='Rowan555']I just felt the need to reply to this. I have two kids - 8 and 9 year olds - and I love raising my children in today's world. Is it perfect? Of course not. But I'm able to experience something beautiful and wonderful with them each and every day, and I can't imagine life without them. Even with my migraine, lol, I love the world, and no matter how bad it gets, there's always beauty and love and wonder all around us, if we look in the right places.[/QUOTE]

Susan, if I hadn't previously met you I wouldn't believe you, but if anyone can be happy even while having a migraine, it would be you. :)
On the rare instances I have had a migraine, all I wanted to do was cry...but it hurt. :p

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[quote name='nealstuber']Can't say I blame you for not reading through the who thread - but several of us who have been with it for a while have made the case that the allowing your kids to grow in a controlled environment is the responsible thing to do. The only person I saw blaming someone else when something happened was the OP.



Totally disagree. If you feel your 9-year old can not navigate the ship safely - then you have the option to tell her to stay put (or stay out of the camp - like you're doing). Don't presume to take the option from others because of your parenting sytle.[/quote]


But Neal, this poster states she did not know her 9 yr old gd could
check herself out. Again, something is wrong here. She states she
expected her gd would stay at Camp Carnival and did not want her
roaming about. Rowan asked her again about the check off form.
Hope she replies.

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[quote name='wentworth']But Neal, this poster states she did not know her 9 yr old gd could
check herself out. Again, something is wrong here. She states she
expected her gd would stay at Camp Carnival and did not want her
roaming about. Rowan asked her again about the check off form.
Hope she replies.[/quote]

This view is exactly why I feel kids should be taught decision making and emergency planning skills at an early age. No parent can anticipate every eventuality - things happen. I don't think you can set-up a narrow set of parameters "stay in the camp till we come back" with no back-up or contigency plan and then get mad at the world when things don't go your way. No protocol or piece of paper is going to solve the problem.

Parent's and kids get unintentially separated all the time. Folks who feel a cruise ship is too dangerous for a ten-year old to navigate on their own need to ask themselves why they are taking the kid in the first place - when there is a high likelyhood that they will be "forced" by circumstance to do just that. The odds of an incident like this happening are FAR more likely than some of the horrible "what ifs" people fixate on. Yet we fixate on the improbable and do nothing to deal with the probable. Edited by nealstuber

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[quote name='wentworth']But Neal, this poster states she did not know her 9 yr old gd could
check herself out. Again, something is wrong here. She states she
expected her gd would stay at Camp Carnival and did not want her
roaming about. Rowan asked her again about the check off form.
Hope she replies.[/quote]

I was very surprised at that myself, when I sailed with my cousin and one of her 9 year olds. I found it very odd, but did not know there were protocols involved. Not sure she did either.

I think I'm now happy to know that by default, no 9 year old can be released on their own without prior parental approval.

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[quote name='Rowan555']Imitrex does nothing for me, and Maxalt gives me rebound headaches from hell. I will have to try Zomig. My doctor moved to FL 2 years ago and I haven't gotten around to getting a new one yet. After spending 4 days in bed, I think it's time to find one.[/quote]


Imitrex and Maxalt did nothing for me either. Relpax seems to be working for me.

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Cool. I did not know this was a migraine thread. I have been using Imitrex for years, and now that there is a generic and I get 9 for 7.50, I am a happy camper.

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[quote name='nealstuber']This view is exactly why I feel kids should be taught decision making and emergency planning skills at an early age. [COLOR="Red"]No parent can anticipate every eventuality - things happen[/COLOR]. .[/QUOTE]

No parent can anticipate every eventuality, which is WHY some of these parents were caught off guard, finding their children roaming around the ship looking for them.
Personally, I feel that good communication between the CCL Crew and the parents is just not happening....I feel it is CCL's responsibility to make sure parents who are unexperienced with using the Camp, understand how it works.
You are forced to sit through that lifeboat drill every cruise, you should be forced to sit and hear how the camp works when you drop your child off.

You are right that kids must be taught decision making, but again, these are kids...cruise ships can be intimidating and all those thousands of people certainly can be as well. You do not know how a child will react no matter how much you plan. It is up to the parent to work with the cruise staff (who should definitely spell things out) to lessen the chances that the little child will have to make any decisions.

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[quote name='halos']Personally, I feel that good communication between the CCL Crew and the parents is just not happening....I feel it is CCL's responsibility to make sure parents who are unexperienced with using the Camp, understand how it works.
[/quote]

That's why they have the meeting the first day. Unfortunately many parents don't want to interrupt their vacation for something like this so they skip the meeting but later send their kids to Camp Carnival anyway. Then they wonder why they didn't know that 9 year olds can sign themselves out.

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[SIZE=3][COLOR=darkred]In the spirit of this thread taking on all subjects: Is it OK for children wear bluejeans to dinner on formal night or diapers in the hottubs? If so, are parents being irresponsible if they allow them to do so?:D[/COLOR][/SIZE] Edited by Traveler353

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[quote name='lovetocruise444']That's why they have the meeting the first day. Unfortunately many parents don't want to interrupt their vacation for something like this so they skip the meeting but later send their kids to Camp Carnival anyway. Then they wonder why they didn't know that 9 year olds can sign themselves out.[/QUOTE]

Sadly, I believe you [B]*shakes head*[/B] I didn't know they had a meeting...no one mentioned it in all these pages LOL...Hmmm...has anyone here attended?? Just curious. Edited by halos

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[quote name='halos']Sadly, I believe you [B]*shakes head*[/B] I didn't know they had a meeting...no one mentioned it in all these pages LOL...Hmmm...has anyone here attended?? Just curious.[/quote]

Yes, there's an orientation, usually when something else is happening. We've always skipped it, preferring to attend the something else.

Just a small part in why we've never sent DD to camp.

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[quote name='kyrisong1']I think if I had kids that I cruised with I'd invest in some good walkie talkies or pagers, that way they CAN get in touch with me if they need me.
Just saying.............
Carole[/quote]

Disney Cruise Line is one that does this. They give you pagers, and they WILL page you if the child is sick or injured, or if they are crying for the parents to come get them. If they are crying for the parents, you are required to take them out. They paged me twice for my younger daughter. The first time, she had changed her mind by the time I arrived. The second page came just as my husband and I were settling in to our lounge chairs at the adult-only beach on Disney's private island. We packed up, took the little train to the kids camp and collected her. Just part of the whole parenting package, lol. But also VERY comforting to know we could be reached if our daughters needed us.

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[quote name='MrPete']Yes, there's an orientation, usually when something else is happening. We've always skipped it, preferring to attend the something else.

Just a small part in why we've never sent DD to camp.[/QUOTE]

I'm sailing with some family in August....and there will be some young kids. I have no clue if my SIL/BIL will opt to use the camp or not, but I'll make sure they know to attend this meeting.
I plan on being at the back of the ship in the adult area....I'm going to hide back there as long as I can. :p

[quote name='nrdsb4']Disney Cruise Line is one that does this. They give you pagers, and they WILL page you if the child is sick or injured, or if they are crying for the parents to come get them. If they are crying for the parents, you are required to take them out. They paged me twice for my younger daughter. The first time, she had changed her mind by the time I arrived. The second page came just as my husband and I were settling in to our lounge chairs at the adult-only beach on Disney's private island. We packed up, took the little train to the kids camp and collected her. Just part of the whole parenting package, lol. But also VERY comforting to know we could be reached if our daughters needed us.[/QUOTE]

yeah...I'd be much more comfortable with that for sure!! It's such a small cost to the cruise line. I don't know why all the lines that have children's facilities don't have them. To me, it's a no-brainer. Edited by halos

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