These are also many of the things we don't like about "e" class ships @MyView. We were very disappointed in our last 2 X cruises, both on the Apex. Luminae was nearly always very crowded, noisy and the food nowhere near the quality on the S or M class ships. As I said our sailings were on Apex and I know that Beyond & especially Ascent have an even larger Luminae with more suites...so the wonderful ambiance that the smaller, older ships have is completely lost in that environment. Just our "2 cents"