canderson

With any luck at all, none of the items in your list of questions will exist a year from now, and won't be playing any part in decision making, but it's far to far away to use when considering booking a 2023 Spring TA now.

Actually, access here has become much better in the last 30 days, and continues to improve. Many local pharmacies report inventory, and say doctors have been slow to prescribe. Provided shipboard docs follow guidelines regarding drug interaction, there's no reason that ships shouldn't be starting to stock up.

They weren't so short, at least for some ships. I watched Constellation, and was amazed at how much time that ship spent in motion. Granted, it was often at a mere 5 kts, but that ship was bopping all over the Aegean during the shutdown. I don't recall her spending more than a week at anchor at any given location. Wondered how they justified the fuel burn.

Most ships weren't just "sitting around" during the hiatus. Many were frequently in motion. In fact, it was interesting to watch tracks that appeared to test navigation skills for emergency maneuvering.

I was addressing only the argument that "If a passenger becomes so ill as to warrant the need for same will be dis-embarked at the next safest port..." By then, administration is no longer helpful.

Yes, timing is relevant. But knowing the ship had been at anchor for an extended period, it's a problem that could have been anticipated and should (and probably was) seen when the ship was going through a 'fitness' inspection prior to the restart.

Try this more direct link to the '172 page' brochure if that's the one that interests you: https://secure.viewer.zmags.com/publication/f9fcbab8#/f9fcbab8/1

Yes. Have said many times that there is something fundamentally wrong when passengers are more concerned over the protocols than over contracting the disease that the protocols are designed to address.

Since they have ZERO control over the kit/contents, hard to imagine they'd vouch for the results - probably some major disclaimers in their agreement - but whatever. They claim "Can be Used With Any At Home Over The Counter Test" https://onpoint-testing.com/product/certified-teleservice-covid-testing/

Yeah, it does. Not sure if there's a more specific phrase for starting and ending in the same country, which is why I had to qualify the way I used it. Back to the topic: Note that in all news articles, Carnival noted for refusing to assign a number to quarantined pax for this outbreak. https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyle/carnival-cruise-ship-passengers-say-covid-overwhelmed-ship https://www.cbsnews.com/news/carnival-cruise-coronavirus-outbreak/ Again, the bad news is that the number is isolation were clearly greater than crew were prepared to handle. The good news is that like most outbreaks, Carnival is reporting no serious health issues. Welcome to the exercise of attempting a zero-COVID protocol in an omicron world.

I noted I was using "closed loop" specifically to mean U.S. to U.S. cruises, not necessarily to be the same U.S. port. I see where a Carnival ship disembarking in Seattle after a trans-Canal cruise just reported over 100 cases, with pax reporting the number to be closer to 200. Many complaints of overrun medical and roomservice personnel. Would probably qualify as "Red".

First, while I agree my odds are better shipboard, three things: Reaching 0.3% known pax infection places a ship in the Orange category ("0.3% or more of total passengers and/or crew" or "1% or more of total crew" will get you there). The actual percentage can be anything over 0.3 of pax. There must be additional issues in combination more than the 0.3% pax number to be hauled into the 'Red zone' ("sustained transmission" and inability of medical to cope with the situation for whatever reason). At present, 6 of Celebrity's ships are operating out of the U.S. and therefore given color code classifications. 3 of the 6 are categorized as Orange at present. I think a great many people who have become concerned about testing positive while shipboard are considering how different an experience this would be vs. contracting it while home. Other than having your meals delivered, I believe most would much prefer their home to most of the cabins that have been set aside for COVID positive pax aboard ship.

For the sake of clarity only -- if it is a closed loop U.S. cruise (leaves from and returns to the U.S.) there is no requirement for testing upon return.

Looks like some 'double entry bookkeeping'! What were the 4 alphanumeric codes in front of your INTERNETCHG1 and INTERNETSAV1? If something like YVZ5/YVZ6 or YVX7/YVX8 or YVY8/YVY9, possible you've upgraded to streaming from surf.

Celebrity IT doesn't strive to make anything easy. For what it's worth, many have said they found one of these helpful.

You have, for a 7 night cruise, the classic beverage package, included gratuities, and basic internet (surf, not stream) service included.

That web page has become far more detailed, and seems to be being kept up to date better than it once was, though it has always been more up to date than most other sources of info from Celebrity. As an example, Celebrity is trying to project what testing requirements will exist clear out to the end of the year for many itineraries. A lot of that, of course, is subject to change over the months ahead. But here's an example for our 13nt Barcelona to FLL TA in November 22. It shows that as 'up to date' (boosterized) individuals, we need the standard pre-cruise test, one for one of the ports of call (will have to look up to see which one) and one to land again in FLL. I think most all of the pages have a button you can select to get a *.pdf chart for cruises for your itinerary.

There may still be specific ports that have testing requirements or documents to be filled out pre-arrival during the time you plan to travel, which can get a bit messy. Best thing is to keep up with this web page, paying attention to the rules that govern your particular itinerary / ports of call: https://www.celebritycruises.com/healthy-at-sea/travel It's a moving target at present, especially for Europe.

In fact, someone just reported that Royal has stopped testing pax between legs of B2B cruises as has been the practice all along - each cruise being treated separately. Perhaps Celebrity will follow.

Because even if you tested negative, if you were tested due to a 'contact trace', you didn't get to reboard for the next leg of your B2B. Not nice. Perhaps that will be changed now as well.

No automatic tests aboard for >7 days. No. The issue of the CDC and longer cruises (which were a no-no, along with B2B that would last more than 7 together) ceased to be an issue quite some time ago.

Joanna? Is that you?

True enough. I can see where certain of the longer and potentially more interesting shorex would be impossible given the new time constraints.

M class, oldest: 4 ships, first was Millennium S class, next generation, 5 ships, first was Solstice E class, most recent generation, 4 ships, first was Edge

When useful space is at a premium, you do whatcha gotta do.