Sargent_Schultz Posted October 20, 2010 #76 Share Posted October 20, 2010 Yes I have a right!! a right is given to you if it is legal.. and until it is not legal I will have that right.. whether they take it away for other reasons.. has nothing to do with my right as a human being to smoke...If Carnival wants to limit me to smoking areas so beit but don't yap to me about my rights... :( No. Rights don't appear and disappear at the wave of a hand and are not implicit. Look for Carnival to further restrict the smoking areas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J&CCRUSERS Posted October 20, 2010 #77 Share Posted October 20, 2010 I think it makes sense to have one side of the ship no smoking on the balconies or in the cabins. The policy on the decks and inside is fine the way it is. I am a smoker and I totally agree with you. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J&CCRUSERS Posted October 20, 2010 #78 Share Posted October 20, 2010 THANK YOU! If there was more smokers like you it wouldn't be an issue! Smokers don't bother me. it's the rude smokers that do Rude smokers bother me as well. (just as much as rude non-smokers). puff...puff....:cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KruznKel Posted October 20, 2010 #79 Share Posted October 20, 2010 No. Rights don't appear and disappear at the wave of a hand and are not implicit. Look for Carnival to further restrict the smoking areas. Obviously they do read the posts.. Splendor non smoking around the piano.. 2009 and when I sailed in 2010 smoking around the piano.. now again non smoking... :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flynlo Posted October 20, 2010 Author #80 Share Posted October 20, 2010 Okay, so if i vote "no" does that mean i think it is too restrictive or not restrictive enough. I would have liked to see additional options on the poll to more clearly explain a yes or no vote. I do appreciate the poll though. Start a new poll. Ask whatever you want.:D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flynlo Posted October 20, 2010 Author #81 Share Posted October 20, 2010 No. Rights don't appear and disappear at the wave of a hand and are not implicit. Look for Carnival to further restrict the smoking areas. Eventually you will have no rights. Keep giving them up! BTW you do know 2nd hand smoke is a myth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurbanfan Posted October 20, 2010 #82 Share Posted October 20, 2010 BTW you do know 2nd hand smoke is a myth. Why do you keep saying this:confused: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flynlo Posted October 20, 2010 Author #83 Share Posted October 20, 2010 Why do you keep saying this:confused: Mr Google or Miss Yahoo will be happy to give you the facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurbanfan Posted October 20, 2010 #84 Share Posted October 20, 2010 Mr Google or Miss Yahoo will be happy to give you the facts. As I thought:rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sargent_Schultz Posted October 20, 2010 #85 Share Posted October 20, 2010 Obviously they do read the posts.. Splendor non smoking around the piano.. 2009 and when I sailed in 2010 smoking around the piano.. now again non smoking... :rolleyes: They read posts, but CC members seem to think they are a lot more important than they are. They also know that any CC polls are unscientific and often deliberately biased. In other words, there is no cause and effect based on what happens on CC. What happens on CC, stays on CC. :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warm Breezes Posted October 20, 2010 #86 Share Posted October 20, 2010 Mr Google or Miss Yahoo will be happy to give you the facts. Just did a search on 2nd hand smoke on Mr Google. It sure looked to me, from the articles he gave me to read, like 2nd hand smoke was a dangerous fact and not an urban myth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flynlo Posted October 20, 2010 Author #87 Share Posted October 20, 2010 As I thought:rolleyes: http://www.heartland.org/policybot/results/12587/Secondhand_Smoke_Fears_Overstated_Study_Finds.html Che k out 39 year study done in your home state. Here I will do it for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sargent_Schultz Posted October 20, 2010 #88 Share Posted October 20, 2010 Eventually you will have no rights. Keep giving them up! BTW you do know 2nd hand smoke is a myth. I've given up nothing and your second statement is pure hogwash. I'm surprised you aren't claiming there are no carcinogens in cigarette smoke. I see Mr. C succumbed to the Big C in the form of lung cancer. When will they ever learn? http://www.cnn.com/2010/SHOWBIZ/celebrity.news.gossip/10/19/tom.bosley.obit/?hpt=T2 The myth is that smokers have rights to pollute the lungs of others. It is nothing less than attempted homicide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurbanfan Posted October 20, 2010 #89 Share Posted October 20, 2010 Research it. :rolleyes: Che k out 30 year study done in your home state. I don't need to;) I don't play those games.......harmful effects of smoking is a serious matter...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papilliontraveler Posted October 20, 2010 #90 Share Posted October 20, 2010 Mr Google or Miss Yahoo will be happy to give you the facts. http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/28/health/28smoke.html http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/secondhand-smoke/CC00023 http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/factsheet/Tobacco/ETS I have many more if you want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flynlo Posted October 20, 2010 Author #91 Share Posted October 20, 2010 http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/28/health/28smoke.html http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/secondhand-smoke/CC00023 http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/factsheet/Tobacco/ETS I have many more if you want. Yep, all you posted support what you want to hear. Do you believe in global warming too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sargent_Schultz Posted October 20, 2010 #92 Share Posted October 20, 2010 Yep, all you posted support what you want to hear. Do you believe in global warming too? I believe ozone depletion is hazardous to one's health. The preponderance of evidence of the dangers of cigarette smoke, second hand smoke, and third hand smoke far outweigh any to the contrary. Where there is smoke, there's fire. :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flynlo Posted October 20, 2010 Author #93 Share Posted October 20, 2010 I believe ozone depletion is hazardous to one's health. The preponderance of evidence of the dangers of cigarette smoke, second hand smoke, and third hand smoke far outweigh any to the contrary. Where there is smoke, there's fire. :rolleyes: Now we are talking 3rd hand. I see non smoking zealots now claim 4th hand exists. Will it stop there? Probably not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papilliontraveler Posted October 20, 2010 #94 Share Posted October 20, 2010 Yep, all you posted support what you want to hear. Do you believe in global warming too? Are you kidding me? Is that not what you did? Oh, thats right, its on the internet, so it must be true. I can find 100 for and 100 against, so what's the point. You aren't really ignorant enough to think secondhand smoke isn't harmful are you? I don't know of any smoke situations that aren't harmful ie: housefires(smoke inhalation), secondhand smoke(cancer), etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusin6 Posted October 20, 2010 #95 Share Posted October 20, 2010 neither side is ever going to be happy. what ever happen to compromise? an excellent compromise would be to have certain cabins restricted as smoking..all others..non smoking...including balconies. and a portion in the aft part of the Lido also not smoking. And of course, just like on land...no smoking in any indoor venue..including the casino. I vote for imposing the same regulations on the ship as are imposed in the majority of the United States.....regardless of what flag the ship sails under. I bet the CCL offices in Miami have a policy. The only problem with this would be the cabins........many more would want non smoking versus smoking......and remember balconys would have the same regulations as the cabin itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sargent_Schultz Posted October 20, 2010 #96 Share Posted October 20, 2010 Now we are talking 3rd hand. I see non smoking zealots now claim 4th hand exists. Will it stop there? Probably not. Nothing to do with zealots. Everything to do with reality. There is nothing good about cigarette smoke. Many addicts will continue to deny. This isn't surprising since smoking itself is an illogical, self-destructive act. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurbanfan Posted October 20, 2010 #97 Share Posted October 20, 2010 Now we are talking 3rd hand. I see non smoking zealots now claim 4th hand exists. Will it stop there? Probably not. So you don't believe if a pregnant woman inhales second hand smoke it will not go into her bloodstream and affect her fetus:confused: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papilliontraveler Posted October 20, 2010 #98 Share Posted October 20, 2010 Oh, and by the way, I smoked for 20yrs.(quit 12yrs. ago) so I am not one of the "anti-smokers" picking on the smokers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusin6 Posted October 20, 2010 #99 Share Posted October 20, 2010 Eventually you will have no rights. Keep giving them up! BTW you do know 2nd hand smoke is a myth. I will never give up my rights...and I have a right to a smokefree environment. You don't really believe what you are saying about second hand smoke do you?:confused: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flynlo Posted October 20, 2010 Author #100 Share Posted October 20, 2010 Nothing to do with zealots. Everything to do with reality. There is nothing good about cigarette smoke. Many addicts will continue to deny. This isn't surprising since smoking itself is an illogical, self-destructive act. Not illogical at all. Many do it for pleasure, taste etc not addiction. You could say that about many things, sky diving being just one example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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