Norwegian Cruise Line to Stamp Out In-Cabin Smoking

[BklynBorn47]

If you had one side of the ship designated as smoking, the zealous non-smokers would complain they still smelled smoke from the other side and the debate starts all over. Zealots will complain about smokers until smoking is banned everywhere including a private house.

 

From the last few posts I've read cigarette smokers can be zealots as well. Or else cigar smokers wouldn't be banned from areas of cigarette smokers.

 

I don't think most people care what you do in your own house. But I do wonder why smokers will hang the cigarettes out the car window in my face or over the edge of the balcony again in my face and not keep it to themselves. When either of these happen, I roll up my car windows and just leave the balcony for another deck. I'm used to it. I've had to adjust my life for 50 years. It's just that now smokers have to make some adjustments too. Times change.

[melligene]

Just wonder how many non smoker posters on this thread may happen to need and/or feel medical MJ doesn't qualify? Hypocrits rarely admitt this but hey......smoke is smoke.....right...? Just sayin............:cool:

[BklynBorn47]

Just wonder how many non smoker posters on this thread may happen to need and/or feel medical MJ doesn't qualify? Hypocrits rarely admitt this but hey......smoke is smoke.....right...? Just sayin............:cool:

 

I totally agree with you - smoke is smoke. Do it in a designated smoking area all together - cigarettes, cigars, medical whatever.

[che5904]

THis is exactly true and a big part of the problem. I'm an ex-smoker, and I sympathize with smokers - their ability to legally smoke gets increasingly restricted every day. It seems like there has to be some reasonable balance. We have gotten away from a time when smokers got to smoke whenever and wherever regardless of the effect on others. Now we need to avoid going too far the other way.

 

Too late:(

[chrispb]

From the last few posts I've read cigarette smokers can be zealots as well. Or else cigar smokers wouldn't be banned from areas of cigarette smokers.

 

I don't think most people care what you do in your own house. But I do wonder why smokers will hang the cigarettes out the car window in my face or over the edge of the balcony again in my face and not keep it to themselves. When either of these happen, I roll up my car windows and just leave the balcony for another deck. I'm used to it. I've had to adjust my life for 50 years. It's just that now smokers have to make some adjustments too. Times change.

 

It's not us cigarette smokers who have anything to do with cigar smokers being banned. I can only assume that maybe it's because cigarette areas are nearer public spaces. Cigar smoking doesn't bother me one bit and they are welcome to my little spot for their smoke.

[che5904]

It's not us cigarette smokers who have anything to do with cigar smokers being banned. I can only assume that maybe it's because cigarette areas are nearer public spaces. Cigar smoking doesn't bother me one bit and they are welcome to my little spot for their smoke.

 

Agree completely. My father and my DH enjoy the occasional one.

[bdaddyiii]

I am also a ex-smoker. I smoked for the better part of 20 plus years. I have been an ex-smoker for 4 years. My dear wife is, however, still a smoker. We both smoked when we were married 21 years ago, so I have nothing ot say about her continuing to smoke. I have also been on three cruises over the past three years and have not had any occassion where someone smoking caused any problems with my cruise.

And before any non-smokers think I am use to it becuase my dear wife smokes, you are wrong. My dear wife does not smoke around me or in our house or car. She is a smoker that cares about others and is always trying to not bother anybody with her habit. I do like the balcony cabins so she has a place to smoke late at night or first thing in the morning. I have never smelled her cigeratted while inside the cabin and she was out on the balcony. I also have never smelled another smoker while out on the balcony.

The public areas are another subject. I have smelled others smoking and I just move away from them if I find it unpleasent. As far as cigars and pipes. I find some to be very nasty smelling, however, some blinds do smell pleasent. I would not some them myself but the odor is not what causes the second hand smoke. People that smoke in closest just naturall smell like an ashtray which I do find nasty and do not go around them. However, people that smoke in well open areas normally do not stink when the put the items out.

As far as pick a side to be smoking or non-smoking. As soon as you do that the loiudest complainer will complain that they other side has a better view of the ports.

People we can not please everyone all the time. Remember you are on vacation and should try and enjoy yourself and let everyone else enjoy themselves. I always find it amazing how people can be on vacation and want to complain about everything. Let all RELAX and ENJOY the ride. Happy sailing.

P.S. sorry for any typo's

[OceanDreaming2]

Cigar smoking doesn't bother me one bit and they are welcome to my little spot for their smoke.

 

Please note cigars are only to be smoked in designated areas - not your balcony. Thank you.

[JMHAM1]

If only the world was perfect. Nobody would smoke, or drink, or molest others, or beat children, or steal, or lie, or constantly gripe about anything. and a myriad of other things that bother someone that others do. I, myself, think that drinking is a bigger problem on cruise ships than smoking. How many smokers have fallen overboard just because they were smoking? Or due to excessive smoking got into fights on the ship? Are they going to ban drinking? or even put a set amount of drinks a day? Of course not. I don't like being subjected to these obnoxious people so I don't go where they are. I also don't go up to them and ask them not to drink because it is bad for them and they are upsetting me and my cruise.

 

I think it is good not to have smoking in cabins. But you can not totally ban it. It is something you will have to live with. If someone is smoking and you come to where they are, then I would say it is your problem, not theirs, they were there first. If you are in the casino and someone sits down next to you and lights up, you can be polite and ask them not to smoke near you. Every smoker I know, if asked politely, will not smoke near you then. It is the ones who start their little coughing jags and dirty looks and don't say anything about it bothering them who really take the cake. It is time to be adults and be polite.

 

 

Preach on Sister!

[1 HappyCruiser]

I don't think I've read anything about a fine for cleaning being assessed for smoking in a cabin. Has anyone read anything about it or maybe they're just handing out warnings?

[Jeebs]

I think the main thing a lot of people are forgetting is that NCL is a private business and has made this decision based on business models. This was a business decision that also had some good safety implications. It is clear that smoking is on the decline and NCL clearly recognizes that. They make it very clear in their press release. If you are unhappy with their decision, then by all means, show them your displeasure by taking your cruising dollars elsewhere. NCL has clearly sent a message that they prefer to cater to those who do not smoke because there is a greater likelihood of profit from that group. What is done is done and there is no point in getting aggravated at people on this forum.

 

I believe that as societal norms continue to evolve you will see an all out ban on smoking, not only on NCL, but on most main stream lines.

[che5904]

I think the main thing a lot of people are forgetting is that NCL is a private business and has made this decision based on business models. This was a business decision that also had some good safety implications. It is clear that smoking is on the decline and NCL clearly recognizes that. They make it very clear in their press release. If you are unhappy with their decision, then by all means, show them your displeasure by taking your cruising dollars elsewhere. NCL has clearly sent a message that they prefer to cater to those who do not smoke because there is a greater likelihood of profit from that group. What is done is done and there is no point in getting aggravated at people on this forum.

 

I believe that as societal norms continue to evolve you will see an all out ban on smoking, not only on NCL, but on most main stream lines.

 

Actually they state they have done this "due to passenger requests". It stands to reason that if the smokers are content with their little corners of the ship that allow them they would not be whining or complaining to NCL to make changes. Therefore the only ones NCL are hearing from are the non-smokers that have been whining and complaining. It's the old squeaky wheel gets the grease.

[dmwnc1959]

Actually they state they have done this "due to passenger requests". It stands to reason that if the smokers are content with their little corners of the ship that allow them they would not be whining or complaining to NCL to make changes. Therefore the only ones NCL are hearing from are the non-smokers that have been whining and complaining. It's the old squeaky wheel gets the grease.

 

Why does it sound in your post that smokers are the 'victims' being banished to little corners, and Non-smokers are the 'whiners and complainers'.

 

It's not just NCL making major policy changes in regards to where cigarette smoking is allowed. Carnival, Holland-America, and (to a stricter degree) Princess all changed their policies. Major cities, businesses, and restaurants across America and around the globe are limiting the areas where smokers are allowed to partake of their habit.

 

And it is THEIR habit, not mine. I shouldn't be exposed to THEIR habit just because for decades we have been ignorant of the dangers of second hand smoke or afraid of the big tobacco lobbyist threatening to pull advertising dollars. This is the 21st century. Smoking is so 1950's.

[che5904]

Why does it sound in your post that smokers are the 'victims' being banished to little corners, and Non-smokers are the 'whiners and complainers'.

 

It's not just NCL making major policy changes in regards to where cigarette smoking is allowed. Carnival, Holland-America, and (to a stricter degree) Princess all changed their policies. Major cities, businesses, and restaurants across America and around the globe are limiting the areas where smokers are allowed to partake of their habit.

 

And it is THEIR habit, not mine. I shouldn't be exposed to THEIR habit just because for decades we have been ignorant of the dangers of second hand smoke or afraid of the big tobacco lobbyist threatening to pull advertising dollars. This is the 21st century. Smoking is so 1950's.

 

Read it as you will, my post was directed at the poster I quoted who said he/she felt NCL made this decision based on "business model", I was correcting with what the NCL spokeperson said which was "due to passenger requests". I certainly don't feel the smokers requested it :confused:

 

Businesses and restaurants at least in Canada (and as far as I know most states) did not make this decision it was made for them by Governments, not because of any other reason but the above, because the squeaky wheel got the grease and to patronize the whiners. And if you think governments are making this to save your health you are very blinded. If governments truly thought that then they would make it illegal and stop collecting the major tax dollars they love to get from vices.

 

I'd bet your habits do affect me, you are likely one of those people that bathe in scented products, hairspray and coloring or bleaching, drive wonderful exhaust puffing vehicles or take public transportation that is even worse, buy products from factories that emit chemicals into the air from their smokestacks and use trucks to deliver. Which all by the way affect my health terribly. I do not choose to whine to the world that they should stop making, selling or banning any of these products because they affect my health. I choose just to limit my exposure.

 

Tell me you live a totally non-chemical (totally green) life and then I might want to hear what you have to say. Otherwise you are just being hypocritical.

[BklynBorn47]

Read it as you will, my post was directed at the poster I quoted who said he/she felt NCL made this decision based on "business model", I was correcting with what the NCL spokeperson said which was "due to passenger requests". I certainly don't feel the smokers requested it :confused:

 

Businesses and restaurants at least in Canada (and as far as I know most states) did not make this decision it was made for them by Governments, not because of any other reason but the above, because the squeaky wheel got the grease and to patronize the whiners. And if you think governments are making this to save your health you are very blinded. If governments truly thought that then they would make it illegal and stop collecting the major tax dollars they love to get from vices.

 

I'd bet your habits do affect me, you are likely one of those people that bathe in scented products, hairspray and coloring or bleaching, drive wonderful exhaust puffing vehicles or take public transportation that is even worse, buy products from factories that emit chemicals into the air from their smokestacks and use trucks to deliver. Which all by the way affect my health terribly. I do not choose to whine to the world that they should stop making, selling or banning any of these products because they affect my health. I choose just to limit my exposure.

 

Tell me you live a totally non-chemical (totally green) life and then I might want to hear what you have to say. Otherwise you are just being hypocritical.

 

With a business it's always about the bottom line. They understand that non smokers outnumbering smokers 3 to 1. If the new policy negatively affects their bottom line, I'm sure they will adjust it.

 

So people petitioning their elected officials are "whiners"?

Elected officials eventually respond when they realize it's time for a change. Even my tobacco growing state of Virginia has banned smoking in restaurants.

 

Yes, everyone's habits affect others to some degree and efforts are made to minimize this.

Choral groups ban the use of scented products since it affects the singers voices.

Checkpoints are set up to get drunk drivers off the road.

Environmental laws are passed to limit pollutants in the air.

 

Just because we can't eliminate all pollutants doesn't mean we shouldn't do what we can. BTW how do you "limit your exposure" to the air we breathe? Just stay home?

[che5904]

BTW how do you "limit your exposure" to the air we breathe? Just stay home?

 

Quite simple. I actually chose to move to the country, my closest city is 45 minutes away and chose to work from home. I only have to go to a city once a month for necessities I can't get locally, so I am now not bothered by exhaust fumes or factory chemicals. I also limit the amount of times I am in crowded place and if I am around anyone who insists on bathing in scented products, I just get up and move away from the irritant. Too bad more people wouldn't think of this easy method of avoiding things they don't like or choose to believe is not healthy for them or iritates them in some way.

[anniegb]

First off I am not a US citizen and I am not 100% cognizant with how your stock market works.

 

I read that NCL will be applying for a public listing of stocks and shares.

 

A few weeks later, I read they are changing their smoking policy.

 

Coincidence?

 

Annie

[TPEINC1958]

First off I am not a US citizen and I am not 100% cognizant with how your stock market works.

 

I read that NCL will be applying for a public listing of stocks and shares.

 

A few weeks later, I read they are changing their smoking policy.

 

Coincidence?

 

Annie

 

The anti-smoking crusaders are always taking interesting leaps of logic. :confused:

[che5904]

The anti-smoking crusaders are always taking interesting leaps of logic. :confused:

 

Well you do have to admit, it was certainly a different approach. Not one I've seen before on these boards.

[davesgirl51]

Can you cite the empircal evidence to support your claim?:rolleyes:

 

Yes, please do.

[anniegb]

The anti-smoking crusaders are always taking interesting leaps of logic. :confused:

 

??? I just don't believe in coincidences.

 

I just wondered if any possible future lawsuits might influence who would buy the stock.

 

I am a non-smoker and now that NCL cabins are non-smoking I may consider a cruise in Hawaii. The only downside is the food reviews - probably will tolerate that for 1 week.

 

I have just returned from a coach tour, where the no of smokers totalled 6 out of 52.

 

It is a fact of life that smokers are very much in the minority.

 

I understand that NCL will not allow smoking in bars or lounges - I think that is unfair and there should be 1 designated smoking bar and 1 smoking lounge.

 

Annie

[TPEINC1958]

Can you cite the empircal evidence to support your claim?:rolleyes:

 

The same could be asked of some of the anti-smoking crusaders, don't ya think?

[anniegb]

Well you do have to admit, it was certainly a different approach. Not one I've seen before on these boards.

 

Facts are facts - that is all I am stating.

 

Annie

[HarpHarp]

First off I am not a US citizen and I am not 100% cognizant with how your stock market works.

 

I read that NCL will be applying for a public listing of stocks and shares.

 

A few weeks later, I read they are changing their smoking policy.

 

Coincidence?

 

Annie

 

As Brooklyn said, with business it's all about the bottom line, even more so with a public company. If NCL can increase dividends & profits by banning smoking in cabins, stockholders are happy.

I work in a public building, a tax supported library. Our buildings & grounds people spend at least 2 hours a week cleaning up cigarette butts from the sidewalk, landscaping & parking lot to the tune of $15 an hour. I know that most smokers who come into the building are not responsible, but it happens.

Just think, how much would NCL save if they could get by with one less cabin steward per ship because non-smoking cabins were that much quicker to clean.

Anyhow, we should all be civilized & polite. I'm sure most smokers on CC wish they could quit. After all they could take one more cruise a year with the money they would save. Isn't more cruising what we all want?;)

[TPEINC1958]

Facts are facts - that is all I am stating.

 

Annie

 

So an observation of a coincidence is now a fact? Interesting leap.