Here come the Americans!!!

[samm]

Took me a while to get to the end of this thread. Reading everyones opinions and all....geezz..all this about jeans. Who cares what people wear? As long as they are nice, pleasant, I really wouldn't care if they were wearing a potato sack. What they wear is not going to make the food that is served to me taste better/worse or if I enjoy the shows.

My folks always told me never judge a book by its cover, the same goes with people. With that said, I plan to enjoy my cruise and not worry what other people are wearing. I have enough problems.....like trying to find a pair of shoes to go with an outfit...:D

[caviargal]

Took me a while to get to the end of this thread. Reading everyones opinions and all....geezz..all this about jeans. Who cares what people wear? As long as they are nice, pleasant, I really wouldn't care if they were wearing a potato sack.

 

 

The cruise lines do. This is why they publish this information on their web sites and include it with cruise documents. Many are trying to provide an certain environment for their passengers, many of whom enjoy an elegant dining room experience.

 

And, there are lots of cruise lines out there that offer a more casual experience, and almost all of the more traditional lines offer a dining area designated as casual. So it seems that all bases should be covered. But that apparently is not enough.

 

There appears to be two basic schools of thought. There are those that believe in dressing as the cruise line asks out of respect to the line and fellow passengers (and some of us because we actually enjoy it) and there are those who think that they should be able to wear whatever they please, as it is "my vacation and I will wear/do whatever I want".

 

It provides a never ending opportunity for discussion : )

[mandm2]

I think that, like alot of other hospitality services (airlines, hotels, etc), cruise lines lead you to believe that they are looking for a certain type of person, for certain cruises, however, it all comes down to $$$. If you have the money to pay for a "certain type of cruise" that is all they care about. How you dress has little impact on the cruise line directly.

Case in point: Executive Club lounges/AA lounge for 1st class travelers (on either BA or AA). My husband and I travel to England every year, on holiday, to visit his family. We usually try (and get) the most inexpensive economy ticket available. Two years ago, I used my miles to get a ticket for him (no charge to me) and bought one for myself for a total (w.taxes) $334.00 r/t in economy on American. We dressed fairly casual (jeans/sweats) because it's a longer flight. Get to the airport and an hour later it is shut down due to a snowstorm (day after xmas 2004-logan airport, boston); anyway, I call the airline right away and re-book for the next flight out in the morning. We basically had the same clothes w/an overnight bag for the hotel that night. Get to the airport the next morning and low and behold, due to a "glitch" in the system, we are both upgraded to 1st class.. I know that sounds impossible (I travel very frequently for business), but 2 superivsors were called over to try and "fix" that problem but with all said and done, we get 1st class. We are ushered into the 1st class lounge, then to our seats on the plane. Not ONE person, nor the fligth attendants, gave these 2 very casaually dressed people a 2nd look; in fact, no one in 1st could have been nicer or friendlier. I doubt anyone thought ahead of time that "oh, I'm going to be in 1st class with a certain group of people, therefore I need to dress appropriately".

"Class" comes from within; not from what you are wearing. If people choose to ignore a "dress code" in a "formal" dining room, so be it. Don't look at them-look at your delicious dinner/drinks.And as my mother used to say: "if you don't have anyting nice to say, don't say anything at all"

[caviargal]

I think that, like alot of other hospitality services (airlines, hotels, etc), cruise lines lead you to believe that they are looking for a certain type of person, for certain cruises, however, it all comes down to $$$. If you have the money to pay for a "certain type of cruise" that is all snowstorm (day after xmas 2004-logan airport, boston); anyway, I call the airline right away and re-book for the next flight out in the morning. We basically had the same clothes w/an overnight bag for the hotel that night. Get to the airport the next morning and low and behold, due to a "glitch" in the system, we are both upgraded to 1st class.. I know that sounds impossible (I travel very frequently for business), but 2 superivsors were called over to try and "fix" that problem but with all said and done, we get 1st class. We are ushered into the 1st class lounge, then to our seats on the plane. Not ONE person, nor the fligth attendants, gave these 2 very casaually dressed people a 2nd look; in fact, no one in 1st could have been nicer or friendlier. I doubt anyone thought ahead of time that "oh, I'm going to be in 1st class with a certain group of people, therefore I need to dress they care about. How you dress has little impact on the cruise line directly.

Case in point: Executive Club lounges/AA lounge for 1st class travelers (on either BA or AA). My husband and I travel to England every year, on holiday, to visit his family. We usually try (and get) the most inexpensive economy ticket available. Two years ago, I used my miles to get a ticket for him (no charge to me) and bought one for myself for a total (w.taxes) $334.00 r/t in economy on American. We dressed fairly casual (jeans/sweats) because it's a longer flight. Get to the airport and an hour later it is shut down due to a appropriately".

"Class" comes from within; not from what you are wearing. If people choose to ignore a "dress code" in a "formal" dining room, so be it. Don't look at them-look at your delicious dinner/drinks.And as my mother used to say: "if you don't have anyting nice to say, don't say anything at all"

 

 

We can just agree to disagree on this subject. I don't see it as a matter of being "nice". A component of class, IMO, is respect of others, including cruise lines and fellow passengers. And I do dress differently when I fly first class rather than coach, but that is my choice.

 

As a TA and cruise specialist who has also worked for several major cruise lines, I can tell you that the cruise lines care very much about their repeat guests. As a cruiser, there are quite a few lines I do not cruise because of the atmosphere aboard.

 

When I attend cruise line training seminars, which I do frequently, the cruise lines definitely sell their strengths. NCL pushes their Freestyle dining concept and lack of formal nights, X sells their "premium" style, as in their most recent "be treated like royalty" campaign. Carnival sells "fun". Their individual marketing materials reflect the passengers they are trying to attract.

 

Look at a Crystal brochure. You will absolutely have no doubt about the clientele they seek to attract. You will NOT be allowed into the dining room on a Crystal ship if not attired properly, and that goes for the whole evening. It does not matter that you can afford your passage on Crystal, you are required to comply with their policies, period. Folks that cruise on Crystal pay for this aspect of cruising and expect the dress codes to be upheld. Then there is Oceania, who is a premium line with a country club casual atmosphere. They have their niche and their fans love them.

 

So, it does not always come down to money.

[mandm2]

I've noticed that you have not had the experience of sailing on either Century or Crystal cruises, so I will take you knowledge of who they turn away from the dining room, based on dress code, with a grain of salt. I also noticed that you have not sailed on Cunard, which is the ship the OP originally posted on and got this whole thread started. Since those "innappropriately dressed individuals" which the OP has commented on, obviously were not turned away at the door, it seems to me that aside from 2 out of (how many?) cruise lines have such a strict policy. That was the point I was attempting to make, that really, when it comes down to it, how you dress on a ship, doesn't really matter to MOST cruise lines...they want your money. It's a business to them. I also think that the OP and others on this thread seem to think that the more $$ you have, that you have more class. I've met many people in my life (friends, family, business associates, or complete strangers) who have more money than God, but have "zero" class. I've also met people who are as poor as church-mice, but have more class than most. Have a nice day!

[Sassy Chassis]

I have enough problems.....like trying to find a pair of shoes to go with an outfit...:D

 

You can always wear your flipflops with your jeans...Ha! Ha! Ha! ;)

[caviargal]

I've noticed that you have not had the experience of sailing on either Century or Crystal cruises, so I will take you knowledge of who they turn away from the dining room, based on dress code, with a grain of salt. I also noticed that you have not sailed on Cunard, which is the ship the OP originally posted on and got this whole thread started. Since those "innappropriately dressed individuals" which the OP has commented on, obviously were not turned away at the door, it seems to me that aside from 2 out of (how many?) cruise lines have such a strict policy. That was the point I was attempting to make, that really, when it comes down to it, how you dress on a ship, doesn't really matter to MOST cruise lines...they want your money. It's a business to them. I also think that the OP and others on this thread seem to think that the more $$ you have, that you have more class. I've met many people in my life (friends, family, business associates, or complete strangers) who have more money than God, but have "zero" class. I've also met people who are as poor as church-mice, but have more class than most. Have a nice day!

 

I am unfamiliar with a cruise line called "Century". Century is a Celebrity ship - if that is what you are referring to - and I have cruised with them 4 times. I have seen passengers turned away from the dining room on X for being improperly dressed, which personally, I appreciate.

 

As for Crystal, I wish I could afford to cruise with them and I do sell their product. If you speak with Crystal passengers, they will confirm that the policy is upheld on their ships. Just read the boards for the line. As for Cunard, I have no desire to sail with them.

 

As for class, I concur that it does not go hand in hand with income. I have seen appalling behavior by people of many income levels. I think that it is even worse when people have no class but have money, as they think their financial status gives them special privileges.

[Jubalie29]

I am about to go on my first cruise ever but after reading this thread I am a lot less excited about it. You see I am one of those "fat butts" or as I like to say a Plus Sized Woman:p .

 

I deal with enough prejudice day to day, the stares, the giggles, the comments under peoples breaths, but to see not just in this post but even in reviews of cruises where people complain about persons of larger size being on vacation or my absolute favorite "the obese people". Are persons of larger size not allowed to vacation because they will ruin the vacations of the skinny?

 

I now will have in the back of my mind on my cruise to Hawaii, how many people will be looking at me or wanting to take pictures of me to post online or just to make fun of me because I am different from them. Is it just because I disgust them personally or is it because they want to make fun of the fat girl because of their own insecurities?

 

My children and my fiance love me for who I am. I don't care if the outside world loves me or not. I love me and that's all that matters. If I disgust you because I am fat, then DON'T LOOK at me.

 

A lot of talk shows have recently had a model or someone dress up in a fat suit to see just how fat people are treated. The world is cruel and down right mean to people that are larger sized. You should see what it is like to spend a day as a larger person. That expression "walk a day in my shoes" fits really well here. You don't think that larger people are disgusted by the skinny people who parade around in what they "think" is a bathing suit in front of children. I am disgusted that some women think it is appropriate to wear amounts to skimpy dental floss :eek: at a public water park in front of pre-schoolers. What kind of example are they setting?? I'll have you know that I wear a very conservative suit and covers my as your put them "lumps" and "bumps".

 

The other thing is regarding the clothing. You say it is so "easy" to find clothes from consignment or Ebay. Try doing a search for clothing in a size 3x-4x and see what you come up with. Try going to Sax or other stores and see what you find. Then say how "easy" it is to shop as a larger person. Would you buy some of the choices that are give to larger sized women? The designers even Walmart designers do not take the time to make a lot of flattering clothing. Most of the clothes are all elastic waist. And if you are 6 feet or taller (like I am) then you have an even harder time finding clothes.

 

I would never break a dress code but according to the way your post sounded it feels as though because I am fat, that is breaking the dress code too.

 

Just wanted to give you an opinion from a "fat butt".

[MrsMoose2001]

I think that, like alot of other hospitality services (airlines, hotels, etc), cruise lines lead you to believe that they are looking for a certain type of person, for certain cruises, however, it all comes down to $$$. If you have the money to pay for a "certain type of cruise" that is all they care about. How you dress has little impact on the cruise line directly.

Case in point: Executive Club lounges/AA lounge for 1st class travelers (on either BA or AA). My husband and I travel to England every year, on holiday, to visit his family. We usually try (and get) the most inexpensive economy ticket available. Two years ago, I used my miles to get a ticket for him (no charge to me) and bought one for myself for a total (w.taxes) $334.00 r/t in economy on American. We dressed fairly casual (jeans/sweats) because it's a longer flight. Get to the airport and an hour later it is shut down due to a snowstorm (day after xmas 2004-logan airport, boston); anyway, I call the airline right away and re-book for the next flight out in the morning. We basically had the same clothes w/an overnight bag for the hotel that night. Get to the airport the next morning and low and behold, due to a "glitch" in the system, we are both upgraded to 1st class.. I know that sounds impossible (I travel very frequently for business), but 2 superivsors were called over to try and "fix" that problem but with all said and done, we get 1st class. We are ushered into the 1st class lounge, then to our seats on the plane. Not ONE person, nor the fligth attendants, gave these 2 very casaually dressed people a 2nd look; in fact, no one in 1st could have been nicer or friendlier. I doubt anyone thought ahead of time that "oh, I'm going to be in 1st class with a certain group of people, therefore I need to dress appropriately".

"Class" comes from within; not from what you are wearing. If people choose to ignore a "dress code" in a "formal" dining room, so be it. Don't look at them-look at your delicious dinner/drinks.And as my mother used to say: "if you don't have anyting nice to say, don't say anything at all"

 

I agree with you about the airlines, I always fly first class, always have, always will or I just would rather not go. I don't take chances with upgrades or whatever. I don't like to fly so in the last 15 years I've flown only once last yearr for my one cruise. But in the past I've flown a lot, been pretty much around the world - first class.

 

That said, I never once thought about what I will wear for my flight other than it be comfortable and clean. Since there are no dress codes for first class I wear what I want basically. I will adhere to any dress code, but I've yet to see one posted for flights. I was in the first class louge, first class air, and never once did anyone look at me sideways (I wore a "juicy style" sweatsuit. Not the passengers, not the flight attendents and because they knew from my ticket that I paid first class fare which was always the case, I got just fine service. I noticed becuase of this board what the other PAX in first class wore, and with the exception of a couple of people who looked like they were coming directly from a business meeting, working on their laptops, everyone was dressed casual or very casual.

[samm]

You can always wear your flipflops with your jeans...Ha! Ha! Ha! ;)

 

 

No, no, no, my flipflops are for my sweats.:D

[MrsMoose2001]

I am about to go on my first cruise ever but after reading this thread I am a lot less excited about it. You see I am one of those "fat butts" or as I like to say a Plus Sized Woman:p .

 

I deal with enough prejudice day to day, the stares, the giggles, the comments under peoples breaths, but to see not just in this post but even in reviews of cruises where people complain about persons of larger size being on vacation or my absolute favorite "the obese people". Are persons of larger size not allowed to vacation because they will ruin the vacations of the skinny?

 

I now will have in the back of my mind on my cruise to Hawaii, how many people will be looking at me or wanting to take pictures of me to post online or just to make fun of me because I am different from them. Is it just because I disgust them personally or is it because they want to make fun of the fat girl because of their own insecurities?

 

My children and my fiance love me for who I am. I don't care if the outside world loves me or not. I love me and that's all that matters. If I disgust you because I am fat, then DON'T LOOK at me.

 

A lot of talk shows have recently had a model or someone dress up in a fat suit to see just how fat people are treated. The world is cruel and down right mean to people that are larger sized. You should see what it is like to spend a day as a larger person. That expression "walk a day in my shoes" fits really well here. You don't think that larger people are disgusted by the skinny people who parade around in what they "think" is a bathing suit in front of children. I am disgusted that some women think it is appropriate to wear amounts to skimpy dental floss :eek: at a public water park in front of pre-schoolers. What kind of example are they setting?? I'll have you know that I wear a very conservative suit and covers my as your put them "lumps" and "bumps".

 

The other thing is regarding the clothing. You say it is so "easy" to find clothes from consignment or Ebay. Try doing a search for clothing in a size 3x-4x and see what you come up with. Try going to Sax or other stores and see what you find. Then say how "easy" it is to shop as a larger person. Would you buy some of the choices that are give to larger sized women? The designers even Walmart designers do not take the time to make a lot of flattering clothing. Most of the clothes are all elastic waist. And if you are 6 feet or taller (like I am) then you have an even harder time finding clothes.

 

I would never break a dress code but according to the way your post sounded it feels as though because I am fat, that is breaking the dress code too.

 

Just wanted to give you an opinion from a "fat butt".

 

Oh Jubalie29, please do not let this board or any topic ruin your vacation. I agree with you that you deserve the same treatment as any person regardless of size. Your post touched me deeply. I never felt that a dress size was of utmost importantce. I used to be a size 2, and I got sick and the medication put weight on me and now I'm more like a 14. I was not bothered at all as the only thing that matters is my health.

 

The fact that your finance and your children love you for you, is a testament to the wonderful person I'm sure you are. Don't ever forget that. I don't watch the shows where they make fun of fat people, for no other reason than I find them in poor taste. I agree they are disgusting and have no regard for human beings feelings.

 

I've seen people judged by, their job, title, educational titles, (MBA, PhD, etc), family background (what did your father do?), income, home, home furnishing, clothing, and cars, dress/pant size, hair color, etc etc. I don't understand that and I never will. What if someone is thin and becomes fat because of health, what if someone is rich and becomes poor, I try to never judge as you never know when you will be in a situation similar and you won't want to be judged or think how it will feel if it was done to you. I always remember that.

 

I find it all disgusting. I try to think that the only thing I base my judgement of a person is on what is on the inside. I've met all types and never once yet has it come down to size or the clothes on their backs. I can't even say well dressed people have better manners as I've seen both sides on that as well.

 

I want you to know that I respect what you wrote, I've seen shows where they talk about how hard it is to find plus size clothing that is fashionable and nice and affordable. It's easy to say Queen Latifah and Star Jones have nice clothing, but they also can afford to shop anywhere or even have top designers do custom clothing for them which may not be the case for everyone in real life.

 

Please know that there is one person here at least (I'm sure there are many more ladies here) that do not think of you as "fat butt" or in any other derogatory way. I have complete respect for you.

 

I also agree with you on coverage, I personally like a more conservative look.

 

Again, please don't let anything or anyone spoil your happiness or your vacation. I know it's easier said than done. But please know that if I had the pleasure to meet you in person, the only thing I would see is a beautiful lady with a whole lot of class.

[samm]

Bingo, right on target MrsMoose;)

[caviargal]

My mom is a plus size; she wears a 22-24 in most clothes. She loves to cruise and loves pretty clothes. I do not believe she has ever felt uncomfortable on a cruise because she felt she was being judged.

 

She has tried to lose weight for many years but ultimately, the sacrifices are not worth it to her. We shop together fairly often and have found some great buys at Dillards for formal wear in her size. She also seems to find Maggy London dressy outfits at Marshalls, Ross, etc. Her latest find is a periwinke three piece set with flyaways pants, a beaded tank and jacket with full sleeves. She loves it and feels pretty in it.

 

Perhaps you can enlist the help of a friend that loves to shop and appoint her your personal shopper. I always find great stuff for my girlfriends and my mom. I think it is because I really love to shop and it is great to find bargains for people you care about.

 

You will see absolutely everything on a cruise ship, all body types, shapes and sizes. I think you will be very comfortable.

[Jane110]

I think that, like alot of other hospitality services (airlines, hotels, etc), cruise lines lead you to believe that they are looking for a certain type of person, for certain cruises, however, it all comes down to $$$. If you have the money to pay for a "certain type of cruise" that is all they care about. How you dress has little impact on the cruise line directly.

Case in point: Executive Club lounges/AA lounge for 1st class travelers (on either BA or AA). My husband and I travel to England every year, on holiday, to visit his family. We usually try (and get) the most inexpensive economy ticket available. Two years ago, I used my miles to get a ticket for him (no charge to me) and bought one for myself for a total (w.taxes) $334.00 r/t in economy on American. We dressed fairly casual (jeans/sweats) because it's a longer flight. Get to the airport and an hour later it is shut down due to a snowstorm (day after xmas 2004-logan airport, boston); anyway, I call the airline right away and re-book for the next flight out in the morning. We basically had the same clothes w/an overnight bag for the hotel that night. Get to the airport the next morning and low and behold, due to a "glitch" in the system, we are both upgraded to 1st class.. I know that sounds impossible (I travel very frequently for business), but 2 superivsors were called over to try and "fix" that problem but with all said and done, we get 1st class. We are ushered into the 1st class lounge, then to our seats on the plane. Not ONE person, nor the fligth attendants, gave these 2 very casaually dressed people a 2nd look; in fact, no one in 1st could have been nicer or friendlier. I doubt anyone thought ahead of time that "oh, I'm going to be in 1st class with a certain group of people, therefore I need to dress appropriately".

"Class" comes from within; not from what you are wearing. If people choose to ignore a "dress code" in a "formal" dining room, so be it. Don't look at them-look at your delicious dinner/drinks.And as my mother used to say: "if you don't have anyting nice to say, don't say anything at all"

 

Mandm2,

 

An airline is a commodity - a form of transportation and simply a way to get from point A to point B. There's no dress code to take a flight and if you look at any of the fine print on any of your tickets, it never suggests that you dress in any particular manner in order to fly with them, no matter which part of the plane you're sitting in. I always fly Biz or First on my International flights and don't see why you were suprised that people in 1st were nice to you. I'm nice to anyone who's nice to me.:)

 

A cruiseline is alot more than merely transportation. It's a vacation, it's an experience and the cruiselines put alot of effort into giving people the experience they are buying. For most lines, this includes an elegant evening or two with a cocktail party, the dining room set more formally, an enhanced menu often offering more expensive and/or more gourmet items and all staff and officers in dress uniforms. When you sign up for your cruise, it clearly states in your cruise documents a dress code they expect passengers to adhere to. If it doesn't suit people, they can choose other lines like NCL or Oceania.

 

You're right, how a person dresses has no impact on the cruiseline, but it does have an impact on other passengers. Doesn't the dining scene at MacDonalds have a different look from the dining scene at an elegant restaurant? Most people would not want to celebrate their anniversary or Valentine's Day at MacDonalds because there is a difference in surroundings and ambience. My guess is that if people dispense with the formal attire, the cruiselines will dispense with the special evenings and they'll save money by not offering the free cocktails and lobster dinners.

 

In these competitive economic times, with ships not wanting to lose money, they often will allow underdressed passengers into the dining room.

This doesn't make it right to ignore suggested dress codes. You're right that class comes from within. IMHO, people with class will go with the spirit of the evening and not look to stand out in a negative way and not feel that everyone around them should simply ignore their clothes when dress innapropraitely. People with class have an "I want to do what's appropriate" attitude, not an "If I can afford to be here, then I can do what I want and dress in sweats while others are in suits". That's clearly a part of the "MeMeMe" attitude and is anything but classy.

 

And yes, your Mother is right "if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say it at all". But that applies to being there and speaking to people directly. I'd never go up to someone at dinner in a pair of shorts and baseball cap and tell him he's dressed inappropriately for dinner - that would be very rude of me. However, THIS is a board where we exchange thoughts and it's NOT rude to discuss our opinions HERE.

 

Jane

 

BTW, I happen to be a person who dislikes formal nights on ships and prefer cruises that don't have them. However, when on a ship that does, I like to consider myself a classy person, so DH and I dress according to what the cruiselines requests.

[Jane110]

I am about to go on my first cruise ever but after reading this thread I am a lot less excited about it. You see I am one of those "fat butts" or as I like to say a Plus Sized Woman:p . ..............

 

The other thing is regarding the clothing. You say it is so "easy" to find clothes from consignment or Ebay. Try doing a search for clothing in a size 3x-4x and see what you come up with. Try going to Sax or other stores and see what you find. Then say how "easy" it is to shop as a larger person. Would you buy some of the choices that are give to larger sized women? The designers even Walmart designers do not take the time to make a lot of flattering clothing. Most of the clothes are all elastic waist. And if you are 6 feet or taller (like I am) then you have an even harder time finding clothes.

 

 

Jubalie29,

 

PLEASE.... don't get less excited about your cruise! I'm sorry for some of the experiences you've had in life, but I can assure you that not all smaller people think so negatively about Plus Sized people! I've been thin all my life and now a size 6 and have never giggled, pointed or thought negatively of larger sized women. Not all thin women do, I assure you!

 

The clothing dilemma you face is another issue and is strictly a matter of dollars. I've been in the fashion biz for over 15 years and have worked for some fine clothing companies, some of which designed and made Plus Sizes. The truth is, Plus sized women will not spend as much on their clothing as missy sized women. SOME will, but very few on the average. So it's simply not profitable. Companies make the clothes, stores buy some, then have to sell them at 70% off and then won't buy them again. They stick to the basics and the inexpensive items. Trust me, the fashion marketplace would LOVE to sell you gorgeous, upscale and fashionable clothing - but if most people won't buy it and stores lose money, it just doesn't get produced. Sorry.

 

Jane

[happysinglemom]

THIS is a board where we exchange thoughts and it's NOT rude to discuss our opinions HERE.

 

Absolutely..and thank you for reiterating that. This should be a mantra for this board. I wish it was stated somewhere at the top as a "sticky"!!

[Cruise Miriam]

THIS is a board where we exchange thoughts and it's NOT rude to discuss our opinions HERE.

 

 

This is correct, HOWEVER, please remember not to attack anyone personally for their opinions. We all have opinions and we all may not agree, except that we must agree to disagree on some things and discuss the differences in a civil manner.

[Jane110]

This is correct, HOWEVER, please remember not to attack anyone personally for their opinions. We all have opinions and we all may not agree, except that we must agree to disagree on some things and discuss the differences in a civil manner.

 

Miriam,

 

I didn't think I attacked anyone. I've reread my posts and still don't see anything I wrote that appeared to flame.

 

Kindly point out to me what I said that was considered uncivil so that I can can fully understand what I said that was offensive.

 

Thank you,

Jane

[denys222]

My 2 cents.

 

The reason cruise lines have a dress code is to attract people who beleive the better U dress the more intellectual you must be and also the

common nice person who dresses differently. Do you always read the fine print? I don't. Cruise lines know that.That way ,they get both crowds.

 

I started wearing denim in the late 60's and in this part of North America where the weather goes from cool to cold ,jeans became my prefered choice for insulating my lower body.

 

I do not understand people who for one reason or another have biased dress codes opinions aboard cruise ships. So many nationalities and so many versatile ways to cover your body. Hey,Vive la difference! L'habit ne fait pas le moine.

[Cruise Miriam]

Miriam,

 

I didn't think I attacked anyone. I've reread my posts and still don't see anything I wrote that appeared to flame.

 

Kindly point out to me what I said that was considered uncivil so that I can can fully understand what I said that was offensive.

 

Thank you,

Jane

 

Jane, you did not say anything inflammatory. It was a blanket statement. I was highlighting your point and trying to take it a step further. If you, or anyone else, have a question about your own posts, feel free to email me at either of my two email addresses. These issues will not be discussed on the boards.

[caviargal]

My 2 cents.

 

The reason cruise lines have a dress code is to attract people who beleive the better U dress the more intellectual you must be and also the

common nice person who dresses differently. Do you always read the fine print? I don't. Cruise lines know that.That way ,they get both crowds.

 

I started wearing denim in the late 60's and in this part of North America where the weather goes from cool to cold ,jeans became my prefered choice for insulating my lower body.

 

I do not understand people who for one reason or another have biased dress codes opinions aboard cruise ships. So many nationalities and so many versatile ways to cover your body. Hey,Vive la difference! L'habit ne fait pas le moine.

 

 

I really do not understand your comments regarding dress and intellect. Cruise lines are concerned about profit, not IQs. They do however, have a particular target markets and some are broader than others.

 

There are not "dress code opinions" as the cruise lines all state quite clearly what they would like their passengers to wear. The issue IMO is that some people think they should be respected and others think they can just as easily be ignored.

[caviargal]

My 2 cents.

 

The reason cruise lines have a dress code is to attract people who beleive the better U dress the more intellectual you must be and also the

common nice person who dresses differently. Do you always read the fine print? I don't. Cruise lines know that.That way ,they get both crowds.

 

I started wearing denim in the late 60's and in this part of North America where the weather goes from cool to cold ,jeans became my prefered choice for insulating my lower body.

 

I do not understand people who for one reason or another have biased dress codes opinions aboard cruise ships. So many nationalities and so many versatile ways to cover your body. Hey,Vive la difference! L'habit ne fait pas le moine.

 

BTW, there have been many studies done on the demographics of cruisers. This was covered in great detail at a recent cruise conference I attended.

 

The "intellectual" cruiser, who in many cases also is upper income, is a key component of adventure cruises. Celebrity Xpeditions to the Galapagos is a good example. The ships are small and there are no formal nights and no entertainment to speak of, mostly lecturers. These folks are adventurous and intelligent and are not looking for a vacation where tuxes are standard attire, rather one where Teva's are are standard attire and skifss normal modes of transportation.

[Jane110]

 

Jane, you did not say anything inflammatory.

 

Great, thanks. I didn't think I did.

 

It was a blanket statement. I was highlighting your point and trying to take it a step further.

 

Now I understand. From the way the post was laid out, with you using my quote and requesting no flames I thought you were referring to me.

 

If you, or anyone else, have a question about your own posts, feel free to email me at either of my two email addresses. These issues will not be discussed on the boards.

 

Thanks.

 

Jane

[Jane110]

My 2 cents.

 

The reason cruise lines have a dress code is to attract people who beleive the better U dress the more intellectual you must be and also the

common nice person who dresses differently.

 

Huh? Where did you get this information? Can I assume you're offering your opinion and not any facts that you've read anywhere? If so, then I have to say I disagree with your opinion.

 

Do you always read the fine print? I don't. Cruise lines know that.That way ,they get both crowds.

 

This might be an incentive for you to start reading more. Ship dress codes are really not the fine print - they are covered in the general information that most people read about their upcoming cruise. The "fine print" is all the legalese that people tend to skip about insurance, damages, etc.

 

"Both crowds"? You mean the "intellecuals" and the "common nice person who dresses differently"? I'm sure you don't mean that intellectuals aren't nice! LOL!!! At least I hope not! You also mentioned that you wore jeans to insulate your lower body. Not to worry on a cruiseship. They're temperature controlled. :)

[wetnwildsm]

I must agree with you, many Americans have no idea how to dress properly. It's not the amount of money you spend, it's how you look. We're going to Europe in May and I have no intention of packing jeans (even my "nice" ones) or sweat pants. I am embarassed by the way some of my fellow countrymen present themselves. There's a difference between neat casual and sloppy!

Y'all must be either to a different part of Europe than I, or perhaps hanging out with 'older' folks. I've been around the world, all over Europe, and everywhere I see Jeans. I agree, there is a time and place for them.....but I would certainly pack them on any trip...along with nice slacks and a suit or sport coat.