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Excellent! Fully agreed. However this was a reply to the other poster who is comparing an American worker, with an American lifestyle and American expenses… same as I am. In the end, market forces as always determine the actual truth. If Royal actually pays their stateroom Attendants $35k-$45K then why are there not thousands in line in Miami trying to get such a lucrative job? Thousands???… how about one American in line. There isn’t because the job does not pay what is being claimed here. Market forces will also determine if they change anything. If 50,000 cruisers per week can magically come Together… every single week…. And remove gratuities on every single sailing, then of course Royal will notice and make a change. That’s not happening… so I don’t wish to hurt those employees on board by removing the auto-gratuities. Those that remove 100% hurt those that they do not see.

+1 … especially the last sentence.

All of us know exactly what they get paid… minimum wage. There’s no question. On the cruise lines, lots of questions and in my opinion lots of misrepresentation by the cruise lines.

This is incorrect. Sometimes you do, sometimes you don’t. This is ship dependant.

I demand you take 10 of your closest family, go live in the Philippines or Bangladesh full time, only you out of the ten have a job. You work for the entire family. Oh, and by the way, “work” Means you work for 7 months every single day without a single day off, 10-12 hours per day. You don’t get to go home and see your family each night or sleep in your own bed. As I said in a previous post, there sure are thousands of Americans lining up in Miami at the cruise line head office looking for a Windjammer job…. NOT. If these jobs were so lucrative, paying for room and board and travelling the world, why is that?

You’re too intelligent not to have thought of this, so I hope not to Insult… just wondering if you factored in the WJ busperson cleaning plates off tables that do not receive a direct tip from an 18% mandatory bill (ie. UDP or beverage package)…. How do they get their gratuities “supplemented” when cruise lines underpay them? How about other “behind the scenes” staff (cooks, etc?)

Yes, this is the first main point. The second main point is the so called “gratuities” are not gratuities at all… cruise lines just call them that to divert the public from seeing the truth. As was already said, cruise lines pay the employees LESS THAN minimum wage, which is then supplemented by these “gratuities”. If Royal does not get enough gratuities from us the paying customer, they have to increase their substandard payment to these employees in order to reach their contractual minimum salary. Bottom line…. These “gratuities” are NOT gratuities at all, they are part of these employees wages. All cruise lines should be forced to eliminate mandatory “gratuities” and simply add them to our total cruise fare. This is gross misrepresentation in my humble opinion.

Sending good vibes your way. If you do miss Jewel's departure in Amsterdam, at the very worst you actually have your passport and you can then arrange to join the ship in Invergordon. I'm ignorant regarding American travel insurance, however I'm just wondering if you have some sort of high-end "cancel anytime for any reason" or "we pay for any issues" type of policy that can give you trip interuption regarding this passport issue? See you onboard! 😉

Words of wisdom. I need to listen to you. Lurking for months with the very odd post and got drawn to this hot topic. Just some backgournd... pre Covid, a very well known contributor to CC, ChengP75, is/was a cruise ship captain, and replied to us here on this forum often on legal matters, mechanics of a ship, regulatory matters, Panama Canal, etc when being discussed. He ran circles around those complaining about this "gratuity" and what it really meant, with proof, facts and figures. I do not have the energy to search for these threads.... especially these past two years with the re-launch of a new Cruise Critic Platform (pretty much destroyed all previous cruise reviews and searching for information). He also gave up responding to this topic. Anyways, happy cruising.

Yes I know. Just know that without this "gratuity" there wouldn't be a cruise for you to go on. It should really be called a mandatory "resort fee" or "service fee" like some hotels call it.

And what are those amounts you have read? And then let's add that $16 per day gratuity from 6000 cruisers divided into 2000 employees on a per hour basis and see what they really get. Bottom line is that of the cruise lines had to pay employees a "real" salary (based on North American Standards) without charging a "gratuity", your cruise fare would not be at all competitive.

Great post. Thank you for being thoughtful rather than reactionary. I googled the following in ten seconds: "cruise employee salary maritime labor law" https://www.google.com/search?q=cruise+employee+salary+maritime+labor+law&ei=A0lYZM-PB_KL0PEP_euFyA0&start=10&sa=N&ved=2ahUKEwiPnc-AwuT-AhXyBTQIHf11AdkQ8NMDegQIBhAW&biw=1565&bih=872&dpr=1 https://www.indeed.com/career-advice/pay-salary/how-much-do-cruise-ship-workers-make https://highseascruising.com/how-much-do-cruise-ship-workers-make/ https://www.businessinsider.com/carnival-royal-caribbean-norwegian-median-worker-pay-2019-6 "Carnival and Royal Caribbean paid their median employee less than $20,000 in 2018" "1. Food service worker National average salary: $31,798 per year Primary duties: Food service workers are in charge of food and beverage preparation, storage and service. They should enjoy working with people and have basic math skills. They report to restaurant managers and usually work nontraditional hours, especially for opening shifts." So $31,000 per year.... they work every single day, no days off, most split shifts 10-12 hours per day

Excellent points Everyone knows the price would be more if they got real pay and not tip pay. I disagree. I think half don't care I agree... probably more and the other half would feel better paying more upfront if they knew 100% the crew were getting it all. Totally disagree. Go back to the last ten years of posts on this forum and read every single tip/salary discussion. Ignorance is bliss.

I'd be insulting you if I instructed you on how to use "google". What I am getting at is that the entire cruise industry has been a joke in not paying an appropriate salary to employees in order to falsely advertise low prices for cruises to us, the ignorant public. Those "gratuities" are what supplements the extremely low mandated wages

Nope. The average cruise ship "worker" earns approx $2-3 per hour. Why do you think every single Cruise ship in the World, other than NCL in Hawaii, is registered in off shore countries? Now figure out American minimum wage for 2000 employees on an Oasis Class ship, and see where your cruise fare ends up. And we see sooooooo many Americans lined up at Royal Caribbean trade shows trying to get a job as a cabin steward.

Please quote the Maritime Labor law and the minimum wage for the typical crusie ship worker. That is all I ask from everyone on this thread.

Then your cruise would be $3000 per person instead of $699 for an interior

This is not their guarantees salary

Great comment. I assume you've only sailed on the larger ships? I spent 25 days on Rhapsody in Feb/Mar... superb first name basis service. Superb staff and crew. They loved everybody and everybody loved them. You get to see them and actually talk to them everyday. Absolutely the best crew in a very long time on RCI. Oh, and while Symphony & Harmony had 1 day stateroom service, Rhapsody still had two. Of course, now that I post this, someone on the Haifa cruises will post that I'm wrong and that everything is different. I can say this with 100% certainty, and has been said for years on this forum: RCI - Really Consistently Inconsistent

Before anyone else on this topic makes one more post, I would like them to post exactly what a cruise worker gets paid, what law states their pay scale, and what these "gratuities" actually are.

Thanks for clarifying. This is partially correct. Any port HAL goes to, the largest Royal ship also goes to. Some current smaller ships (NCL & Oceania come to mind) also visit Prince Rupert & Wrangell. The most interesting port HAL has done in the past (and only 3 times pre-Covid) has been Port Alberni within Vancouver Island, where only the smallest of cruise ships could've gone. It was the Maasdam. https://www.vancouverislandfreedaily.com/news/video-port-alberni-welcomes-the-first-of-three-cruise-ships/ As far as route, only (most) ships sailing from Vancouver go through the Southern portion of the inside passage. All Seattle based ships, including HAL, head out to the Pacific Ocean and also miss the Southern portion of the inside passage, which is roughly Vancouver to Prince Rupert. Green is the full inside passage from (most) Vancouver based cruise ships. Red is the route that Seattle based cruise ships follow. They both do the inside passage in Alaska, the northern portions depending whether they are visiting Juneau, Skagway and/or Ketchikan.

This is Juneau port photographed from atop Mount Roberts. 5 ships in port. 4 (the maximum amount) are docked. What is the ship out there with tenders running back and forth? Yes that's a HAL ship. The smallest ship will likely tender.

I’m just trying to learn…. What exact ports does HAL smaller ships go that Royal larger ships cannot go?

twangster, you are, and have been for years, the number 1 reviewer on these boards hands down. Your explanations, information, pics and videos are always first class. Being critical myself with my own review photos I personally didn’t notice any issues with your photos. Phenomenal review again and truly appreciate your time and effort putting these reviews together. Back to lurking 😉

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