awh Posted December 31, 2012 #1 Share Posted December 31, 2012 I just got home from our Christmas cruise on the Eurodam. It was my first cruise and I think I may be hooked. I was wondering about the dress code for women in the MDR on "smart casual" days. My father got turned away for wearing "dress shorts" (I can't think of a better name for them) and asked to put on long pants. When we got in, we saw women in Daisy Dukes, some with camel toes, and certainly far less "dressy" than what my father was turned away for. Was it just selective enforcement of the rules, or are women allowed to wear whatever they like? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Typhoon1 Posted January 1, 2013 #2 Share Posted January 1, 2013 I just got home from our Christmas cruise on the Eurodam. It was my first cruise and I think I may be hooked. I was wondering about the dress code for women in the MDR on "smart casual" days. My father got turned away for wearing "dress shorts" (I can't think of a better name for them) and asked to put on long pants. When we got in, we saw women in Daisy Dukes, some with camel toes, and certainly far less "dressy" than what my father was turned away for. Was it just selective enforcement of the rules, or are women allowed to wear whatever they like? It's really a matter of which of the DRMs is minding the door. Some are much more liberal than others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HamOp Posted January 1, 2013 #3 Share Posted January 1, 2013 I just got home from our Christmas cruise on the Eurodam. It was my first cruise and I think I may be hooked. I was wondering about the dress code for women in the MDR on "smart casual" days. My father got turned away for wearing "dress shorts" (I can't think of a better name for them) and asked to put on long pants. When we got in, we saw women in Daisy Dukes, some with camel toes, and certainly far less "dressy" than what my father was turned away for. Was it just selective enforcement of the rules, or are women allowed to wear whatever they like? If the women are hot, they can wear as much or a little as they like. :D But no matter how good looking a guy is, he must wear long pants to dinner at the MDR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrheadlass Posted January 1, 2013 #4 Share Posted January 1, 2013 What are "camel toes"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awh Posted January 1, 2013 Author #5 Share Posted January 1, 2013 What are "camel toes"? The result of pants worn so tightly that external genitalia are visible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PathfinderEss Posted January 1, 2013 #6 Share Posted January 1, 2013 If the women are hot, they can wear as much or a little as they like. :D But no matter how good looking a guy is, he must wear long pants to dinner at the MDR. I'm sorry I can't let this go. Dress code for the MDR for dinner is: Evening dress falls into two distinct categories: Formal or Smart Casual. Smart Casual can be defined as slacks and collared shirts for men and casual dresses, slacks and informal evening wear for women. T-shirts, swimsuits, tank tops and shorts are not allowed in the restaurants or public areas during the evening hours. On festive Formal evenings, ladies may wear a suit, cocktail dress, gown or fancy blouse/top with slacks and gentlemen wear a jacket and tie, dark suit or tuxedo no mater how 'hot' you are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HamOp Posted January 1, 2013 #7 Share Posted January 1, 2013 I'm sorry I can't let this go. Dress code for the MDR for dinner is: Evening dress falls into two distinct categories: Formal or Smart Casual. Smart Casual can be defined as slacks and collared shirts for men and casual dresses, slacks and informal evening wear for women. T-shirts, swimsuits, tank tops and shorts are not allowed in the restaurants or public areas during the evening hours. On festive Formal evenings, ladies may wear a suit, cocktail dress, gown or fancy blouse/top with slacks and gentlemen wear a jacket and tie, dark suit or tuxedo no mater how 'hot' you are. Okay, what ever you (and HAL) say. Just seems to me that holds about as much water as the speed limit signs on the freeways. Rules and actions are often very different things. Have a Happy New Year! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happyglobetrotter Posted January 1, 2013 #8 Share Posted January 1, 2013 Okay, what ever you (and HAL) say. Just seems to me that holds about as much water as the speed limit signs on the freeways. Rules and actions are often very different things. Have a Happy New Year! Just choose a different cruise line. Try Carnival or Norwegian. I just come back from the Queen Mary 2 and on casual nights all men must wear a jacket but without a tie. Everybody was dressed to the 9s. Always sail on the cruise line that fits your dress code...don't try to change the dress code of the cruise line. It will be easier on you and you will be happier. Just my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Himself Posted January 1, 2013 #9 Share Posted January 1, 2013 The result of pants worn so tightly that external genitalia are visible. I don't think they should be allowed. Immodesty has no place in the main dining room at dinner. Nor do I think shorts on men belong there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solocanadian Posted January 1, 2013 #10 Share Posted January 1, 2013 Just choose a different cruise line. Try Carnival or Norwegian. I just come back from the Queen Mary 2 and on casual nights all men must wear a jacket but without a tie. Everybody was dressed to the 9s. Always sail on the cruise line that fits your dress code...don't try to change the dress code of the cruise line. It will be easier on you and you will be happier. Just my opinion. Well put - love your attitude! :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruz chic Posted January 1, 2013 #11 Share Posted January 1, 2013 If the women are hot, they can wear as much or a little as they like. :D But no matter how good looking a guy is, he must wear long pants to dinner at the MDR. Sad but true. I've seen some pretty skanky outfits coming into the MDR. Neither men or woman s/b coming in the MDR with shorts in the evening but HAL chooses not to enforce it at times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrheadlass Posted January 1, 2013 #12 Share Posted January 1, 2013 The result of pants worn so tightly that external genitalia are visible. Learn something new everyday. I do hope I never have reason to use that expression, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sail7seas Posted January 1, 2013 #13 Share Posted January 1, 2013 It's a shame when people are disappointed to be denied entry into the dining room because of their attire. Anyone here on the forum has/uses a computer and it's so easy to get the answer to what is expected either here on the forum or on HAL's site. Sorry you didn't verify with us until after your cruise, OP. We could have saved your DD the inconveience/discomfort if you had inquired in advance. Happy you seem to have enjoyed your cruise though. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
innlady1 Posted January 1, 2013 #14 Share Posted January 1, 2013 <snip> Always sail on the cruise line that fits your dress code...don't try to change the dress code of the cruise line. It will be easier on you and you will be happier. <snip> Perfect! One of the best pieces of advice I've read on Cruise Critic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Typhoon1 Posted January 1, 2013 #15 Share Posted January 1, 2013 I've seen some men allowed in the MDR for dinner, others were told to change, as I mentioned earlier, it depends on who is minding the door. The younger DRMs tend to let things slide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeriatricNurse Posted January 1, 2013 #16 Share Posted January 1, 2013 What are "camel toes"? The result of pants worn so tightly that external genitalia are visible. For men, it is referred to as 'moose knuckle'! :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruz chic Posted January 1, 2013 #17 Share Posted January 1, 2013 For men, it is referred to as 'moose knuckle'! :D Ok, that's way too much information:D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruz chic Posted January 1, 2013 #18 Share Posted January 1, 2013 It's a shame when people are disappointed to be denied entry into the dining room because of their attire. Anyone here on the forum has/uses a computer and it's so easy to get the answer to what is expected either here on the forum or on HAL's site. Sorry you didn't verify with us until after your cruise, OP. We could have saved your DD the inconveience/discomfort if you had inquired in advance. Happy you seem to have enjoyed your cruise though. :) Some people just like to push it anyway. Not saying the OP was in this situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awh Posted January 2, 2013 Author #19 Share Posted January 2, 2013 It's a shame when people are disappointed to be denied entry into the dining room because of their attire. Anyone here on the forum has/uses a computer and it's so easy to get the answer to what is expected either here on the forum or on HAL's site. To be clear, I wasn't disappointed that my father was denied entry -- he went upstairs, changed his dress shorts for a (more casual) pair of khakis and was back within 5 minutes. No harm, no foul. I *was* disappointed that we had to look at skanky outfits all through our meal after that. If you're going to have a dress code, enforce it uniformly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superoma Posted January 2, 2013 #20 Share Posted January 2, 2013 I don't think they should be allowed. Immodesty has no place in the main dining room at dinner. Nor do I think shorts on men belong there. Thank you Father. I couldn't agree with you more!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sail7seas Posted January 2, 2013 #21 Share Posted January 2, 2013 Awh...... Thank you for clarifying. :) This was an educational thread...... I learned new language I never knew before. :eek: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruz chic Posted January 2, 2013 #22 Share Posted January 2, 2013 I *was* disappointed that we had to look at skanky outfits all through our meal after that. If you're going to have a dress code, enforce it uniformly. Agree 100%. That is not right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaguarstyper Posted January 2, 2013 #23 Share Posted January 2, 2013 I have seen shorts on both men and women in the MDR at dinner many times. A rule is only worth the extent to which it is enforced. Which makes most of the rules on HAL as far as dress code is concerned, mostly pointless. And I agree that women seem to get away with it a lot more than men do. Personally, I couldn't care less what anyone else wears to dinner. Its never adversely affected any cruise I've ever been on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Relax@Sea Posted January 2, 2013 #24 Share Posted January 2, 2013 I have seen shorts on both men and women in the MDR at dinner many times. A rule is only worth the extent to which it is enforced. Which makes most of the rules on HAL as far as dress code is concerned, mostly pointless. And I agree that women seem to get away with it a lot more than men do. Personally, I couldn't care less what anyone else wears to dinner. Its never adversely affected any cruise I've ever been on. Even though I conform to suggested dress code I cannot find anywhere on the HAL web site the Dress Code Rule. It seems that these suggestion are misinterpreted as a rule. From HAL Web Site. http://www.hollandamerica.com/cruise-vacation-planning/PlanningAndAdvice.action?tabName=New+to+Cruising# look under what should I pack The suggested attire for most evenings is resort casual; slacks and collared shirts for men, and casual dresses, slacks and informal evening-wear for women. On formal nights women usually wear a suit, cocktail dress or gown and men wear a jacket and tie, dark suit, or tuxedo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dr.dawg Posted January 2, 2013 #25 Share Posted January 2, 2013 frankly, folks, if you read other threads, hal is sinking fast into the lower mass market segment of the cruise industry. yet, 'while rome burns,' a hot (pardon) topic continues to be the dress code and enforcement thereof in the mdr. no dress code or 'suggestion' will ever save hal; if that were true, i'd don a tux every night on my may 13 cruise. hal cannot have it both ways: enforce or not, period. otherwise just leave the issue alone; it is not consequential. the op only reported an incident and was not upset. but why make the issue a 'crap shoot?' up to who's managing the mdr? hal: make the dress 'suggestions' an enforceable code or stop publishing them. i'll make it work either way; so will most of us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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