No Smoking on Verandahs

[ducklite]

It a bloody ship. Not a hotel.

 

Every cruise I was on had rooms just like hotel rooms. There was also a "hotel manager." I'm not seeing a whole lot of difference, except a fire on a cruise ship is a far more serious event.

[ducklite]

Have you ever experienced a fire aboard a ship?

 

Have you ever had fire fighting training for when on a ship?

 

Do you have any experience vaguely relevant to a fire on a ship or even this situation or the major cause's?

 

I'm gonna say no on all 3 counts, best you keep quite.

 

ex techie

 

No, but seriously, what difference does it make? Are you saying it's impossible for a cigarette to cause a fire on a ship?

[Ex techie]

Your links are irrelevant. Instead of banning all the items you stated, ban the non-OEM chargers. The leading non-kitchen related cause of fire in hotels is smoking, and that is about 900% higher than the next cause, electrical. I'll take my chances with the blow dryer in the next room, thanks.

 

These also?

 

http://www.wmctv.com/story/13759798/overnight-house-fire-leaves-two-dead-two-injured

 

http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/archive/1873473

 

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2303486/Hair-straightener-The-terrifying-aftermath-left-woman-unconscious-leaving-hair-straighteners-switched-on.html

 

All irrelevant to cruise ship safety?

 

ex techie

[ducklite]

These also?

 

http://www.wmctv.com/story/13759798/overnight-house-fire-leaves-two-dead-two-injured

 

http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/archive/1873473

 

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2303486/Hair-straightener-The-terrifying-aftermath-left-woman-unconscious-leaving-hair-straighteners-switched-on.html

 

All irrelevant to cruise ship safety?

 

ex techie

 

For every article like this I could find hundreds related to fires caused by cigarettes. The risk is far greater for a cigarette related fire. We won't even get into the damage the butts do to the oceans and the carcinogens do to those exposed to them.

[Ex techie]

Those also "could" cause a fire on a cruise ship or hotel.

 

Should they be banned just because they could, or could be misused?

 

ex techie

[MizDaisy]

I would be more than happy to see the buffets gone as well. The food is wasted and people eat far too much--not to mention they put people at greater risk for communicable disease.

 

The balconies have to be cleaned and when the smoke wafts into cabins, they have to be deodorized.

 

Additionally it puts the entire ship at risk of fire from someone improperly discarding a cigarette.

 

 

I'm not sure about all cruise lines, but I know for a fact that Disney, Carnival and Norwegian specifically ask people to NOT leave their balcony doors open at any time, other than to exit and enter. Some ships even have a system that automatically turns off the a/c in the stateroom when the balcony door is open. So if a non-smoker doesn't want smoke in his room, he or she should follow the rules and keep the door shut.

 

I smoke, so I KNOW that smoke doesn't enter my stateroom when I come inside after smoking. How do I know this? Because my husband hates cigarette smoke and he'd go crazy on me if he could smell it. It blows away far too quickly for that.

 

AND......I usually get an aft stateroom, and you should see the mess left out there, every single day and night, from the stacks. Black ash everywhere!!! Probably a carcinogen in and of itself, not to mention it ruins your clothing if you don't see it at night before you sit out there, and it's a bitch to clean. So the whole "cleaning" thing, which is part of the excuse Disney used, is crap.

 

 

There has been ONE fire from a cigarette on a stateroom balcony in the last 7 years. ONE. A person did die, but from a heart attack....and the coronor's report stated that the elderly gentleman already had significant heart disease. So that could have happened at any time.

[Pyrate13]

McNotMac and your daughter Brochquine,

 

I completely agree with everything you said and feel for you all.

 

Please let DCL know before you cruise how much stress and inconvenience this change will make to your already planned trip.

Hopefully they will then take that into account when making any future changes to policy and give Guests advance notice like Cunard have.

 

Cunards announcement is for April/May of 2014, McNotMac is sailing in June 2014 so they have even more notice than the Cunard folks, just saying.

[whitecap]

Speaking as a former smoker, quit in 1971 after a number of years, I can't seem to understand how a current smoker plans a vacation: does a smoker plan a road trip where hotel rooms will be needed based on which hotel allows them to smoke in their room?, do they drive rather than fly because you can no longer smoke on planes?, decide on a cruise, ports of call and activities based on whether or not you can smoke on the ship?. If that is the case then do these smokers not realize that their lives are being controlled by this addictive activity and that maybe it is time to beat the addiction? On the other hand if they realize the addiction that they have or choose to select based on their smoking habit, then how can they be upset when a business decides to not allow their habit/addiction affect others? In today's world so many hotels, restaurants and other public events have prohibitions against smoking that smokers have a choice, stop the habit/addiction or accept the limited choices.

[ducklite]

I'm not sure about all cruise lines, but I know for a fact that Disney, Carnival and Norwegian specifically ask people to NOT leave their balcony doors open at any time, other than to exit and enter. Some ships even have a system that automatically turns off the a/c in the stateroom when the balcony door is open. So if a non-smoker doesn't want smoke in his room, he or she should follow the rules and keep the door shut.

 

I smoke, so I KNOW that smoke doesn't enter my stateroom when I come inside after smoking. How do I know this? Because my husband hates cigarette smoke and he'd go crazy on me if he could smell it. It blows away far too quickly for that.

 

AND......I usually get an aft stateroom, and you should see the mess left out there, every single day and night, from the stacks. Black ash everywhere!!! Probably a carcinogen in and of itself, not to mention it ruins your clothing if you don't see it at night before you sit out there, and it's a bitch to clean. So the whole "cleaning" thing, which is part of the excuse Disney used, is crap.

 

 

There has been ONE fire from a cigarette on a stateroom balcony in the last 7 years. ONE. A person did die, but from a heart attack....and the coronor's report stated that the elderly gentleman already had significant heart disease. So that could have happened at any time.

 

Cigarette smoke and the regular exposure to it desensitized the sense of smell. I bet you smell a lot worse than you think you do.

 

What happens when a smoker leaves the door open, and then the next guests have to deal with a room that smells of smoke? Or when people can't use their balcony because every time they try the people next door are outside smoking up a storm?

 

Diesel emissions do not contain carginogens. They are far less environmentally and health damaging than gasoline emissions or cigarette smoke. Cigarette smoke is by far the most toxic of them to both health and the environment. I work with this data in the course of my job, so have more than lay knowledge of it.

 

The cause of the RCCL fire this year hasn't been deter,inked, however mechanical failure has been ruled out and most experts feel a cigarette caused the damage.

 

Bottom line, DCL is giving smokers an area to smoke in where they won't affect the other passengers who do not wish to be affected by second hand smoke. They are not forbidding it entirely. The vast majority of passengers do not smoke or want to be around it. Smoking is a choice. And for those memo choose to smoke, there are accommodations being made.

[ducklite]

Diesel emissions do not contain carginogens.

 

I need to correct myself. They do contain trace amounts of carginogens. However with new technology that includes DPF's, the amount of particulate matter and fumes with any toxicity is reduced to a very low level--up to 98% less than what was released using "old" technology. Those contaminants are incinerated prior to being released. The "soot" is in effect a neutralized by-product of that process.

[MizDaisy]

Cigarette smoke and the regular exposure to it desensitized the sense of smell. I bet you smell a lot worse than you think you do.

 

What happens when a smoker leaves the door open, and then the next guests have to deal with a room that smells of smoke? Or when people can't use their balcony because every time they try the people next door are outside smoking up a storm?

 

Diesel emissions do not contain carginogens. They are far less environmentally and health damaging than gasoline emissions or cigarette smoke. Cigarette smoke is by far the most toxic of them to both health and the environment. I work with this data in the course of my job, so have more than lay knowledge of it.

 

The cause of the RCCL fire this year hasn't been deter,inked, however mechanical failure has been ruled out and most experts feel a cigarette caused the damage.

 

Bottom line, DCL is giving smokers an area to smoke in where they won't affect the other passengers who do not wish to be affected by second hand smoke. They are not forbidding it entirely. The vast majority of passengers do not smoke or want to be around it. Smoking is a choice. And for those memo choose to smoke, there are accommodations being made.

 

 

Gee, thanks for that. The only time I really stink is if I've been in a casino. You can't imagine the lengths I go to, to make sure my own smoke isn't getting all over me.

I never smoke indoors, anywhere....except in a casino, which is rare....so I find the breeze and make sure the smoke is going away from me.

If I smelled like smoke, my husband would have divorced me a long time ago.....and if not that extreme, he'd let me know repeatedly. Trust me on that one.

I'm not anywhere near a typical smoker.....I guess I'm a hypocrite, because I honestly hate the smell too, but I'm addicted. And honestly, I don't WANT to quit. Maybe someday I will.

[ducklite]

Gee, thanks for that. The only time I really stink is if I've been in a casino. You can't imagine the lengths I go to, to make sure my own smoke isn't getting all over me.

I never smoke indoors, anywhere....except in a casino, which is rare....so I find the breeze and make sure the smoke is going away from me.

If I smelled like smoke, my husband would have divorced me a long time ago.....and if not that extreme, he'd let me know repeatedly. Trust me on that one.

I'm not anywhere near a typical smoker.....I guess I'm a hypocrite, because I honestly hate the smell too, but I'm addicted. And honestly, I don't WANT to quit. Maybe someday I will.

 

Like I said, he's become desensitized to the smell. I live and work in a smoke free environment, and can smell a smoker--even a light smoker--three or more feet away.

[MizDaisy]

Speaking as a former smoker, quit in 1971 after a number of years, I can't seem to understand how a current smoker plans a vacation: does a smoker plan a road trip where hotel rooms will be needed based on which hotel allows them to smoke in their room?, do they drive rather than fly because you can no longer smoke on planes?, decide on a cruise, ports of call and activities based on whether or not you can smoke on the ship?. If that is the case then do these smokers not realize that their lives are being controlled by this addictive activity and that maybe it is time to beat the addiction? On the other hand if they realize the addiction that they have or choose to select based on their smoking habit, then how can they be upset when a business decides to not allow their habit/addiction affect others? In today's world so many hotels, restaurants and other public events have prohibitions against smoking that smokers have a choice, stop the habit/addiction or accept the limited choices.

 

 

Some smokers probably do all of those things.

 

Myself, I do try to book hotels and cruises with balconies where it is ALLOWED to smoke. If not, then I go to the smoking section.

 

I don't usually fly any further than 4-5 hours non-stop, but since I have anxiety issues, I have pills I take that also make me not care if I smoke on the plane or not.

 

If anyone else is on a car trip with me, we stop once or twice so that they can use the facilities and I have a cigarette then.

 

Quitting is easier said than done. I'm happy for the people who've never had an addiction.....but I have to think back to when Disney said they weren't going to allow people to carry on alcohol any more.......for me, someone who doesn't drink.....I didn't see the big deal in that. But obviously an awful lot of people did, since Disney retracted it.

 

Smokers are getting more and more used to being treated like second class citizens. The illegals in this country have more rights than we do.

We're used to being told where to go to smoke, and when we can.

I think, as far as the Disney ships and the Disney Parks are concerned, that most smokers are VERY respectful.

 

The really funny thing is that DCL doesn't yet realize that they're going to be dealing with FAR MORE complaints, now that all the smokers will be out on the decks (in the designated areas) smoking, and those areas can be pretty hard for non-smokers to avoid.

 

I've cruised, in total, all lines, over 20 times, and only once was the smoke from a neighbor's balcony bad enough to cause my husband (and even me) to move away.

 

I've been on the Disney Boards for 11 years, and over all that time, only a very small handful of people have said that they were truly bothered by a neighbor's smoke. When someone on the DIS did complain, there were always a LOT of people who said how rare that was, and who tell others to not worry about a smoker next door because the problem is so rare.

 

I honestly think that non-smokers are just so hateful of smokers, that they wrote down "Stop smokers" on their comment cards, just because they could.....but not because they were actually really bothered by it.

That's not a scientific study, but from 11 years of observing the reaction on the DIS Boards.

[MizDaisy]

Like I said, he's become desensitized to the smell. I live and work in a smoke free environment, and can smell a smoker--even a light smoker--three or more feet away.

 

 

Ummmm......no......he can smell cigarette smoke a mile away (almost). You don't know this man. I guess you're either going to have to trust me on that, or not believe me.

I don't smoke inside our house, never have. I don't smoke in the car with him. Our employees, if they smoke, go way, way, way far away from him.

 

There is no way he could be "desensitized" because he's never allowed himself to be near cigarette smoke in the first place.

[whitecap]

Gee, thanks for that. The only time I really stink is if I've been in a casino. You can't imagine the lengths I go to, to make sure my own smoke isn't getting all over me.

I never smoke indoors, anywhere....except in a casino, which is rare....so I find the breeze and make sure the smoke is going away from me.

If I smelled like smoke, my husband would have divorced me a long time ago.....and if not that extreme, he'd let me know repeatedly. Trust me on that one.

I'm not anywhere near a typical smoker.....I guess I'm a hypocrite, because I honestly hate the smell too, but I'm addicted. And honestly, I don't WANT to quit. Maybe someday I will.

 

Here is what I got from your post: "to make sure my own smoke isn't getting all over ME"; "I find the breeze and make sure the smoke is going away from ME"; "my husband would have divorced me"; "but I'm addicted"; "I don't want to quit".

If you can't stand the smoke and blow it away from yourself, don't you think that it goes somewhere where others are? Your addicted and it is something that could adversely affect your marriage, but, you don't want to quit.

Maybe if you were to stop smoking, you wouldn't have to worry about the smoke, the smell, bothering others or divorce! I'm just saying....:D

[ducklite]

Ummmm......no......he can smell cigarette smoke a mile away (almost). You don't know this man. I guess you're either going to have to trust me on that, or not believe me.

I don't smoke inside our house, never have. I don't smoke in the car with him. Our employees, if they smoke, go way, way, way far away from him.

 

There is no way he could be "desensitized" because he's never allowed himself to be near cigarette smoke in the first place.

 

He smells it on you--that's all that he needs to become desensitized to it. As a smoker you'll never understand or agree. If you ever quit, you'll be amazed and embarrassed at how the smell clings to you.

[MizDaisy]

Here is what I got from your post: "to make sure my own smoke isn't getting all over ME"; "I find the breeze and make sure the smoke is going away from ME"; "my husband would have divorced me"; "but I'm addicted"; "I don't want to quit".

If you can't stand the smoke and blow it away from yourself, don't you think that it goes somewhere where others are? Your addicted and it is something that could adversely affect your marriage, but, you don't want to quit.

Maybe if you were to stop smoking, you wouldn't have to worry about the smoke, the smell, bothering others or divorce! I'm just saying....:D

 

Nah....he does some things he wants to do, and I do some that I want to do. He knew I smoked when he asked me to marry him, so he can't really truly divorce me because of it.

It's all about COMPROMISE. A concept that most non-smokers can't seem to grasp.

 

I actually have tried every product out there to quit, cold turkey, and hypnotism. None worked. So right now, I'm at a point where I don't care. But like I said, I'll probably try again someday.

 

 

We live on 5 acres of land, with no neighbors anywhere near. I'm not bothering anyone out here.

In public? I don't really smoke much in public, usually leave the cigs at home. But if I did, I go around behind a building....restaurant, for example....or to the back of the parking lot, and if I see someone coming, I move.

 

I know you probably don't believe me, and I may be the only really weird smoker in the world, but that's what I do.

 

End of conversation. Thanks for your concern.

[whitecap]

Nah....he does some things he wants to do, and I do some that I want to do. He knew I smoked when he asked me to marry him, so he can't really truly divorce me because of it.

It's all about COMPROMISE. A concept that most non-smokers can't seem to grasp.

 

I actually have tried every product out there to quit, cold turkey, and hypnotism. None worked. So right now, I'm at a point where I don't care. But like I said, I'll probably try again someday.

 

 

We live on 5 acres of land, with no neighbors anywhere near. I'm not bothering anyone out here.

In public? I don't really smoke much in public, usually leave the cigs at home. But if I did, I go around behind a building....restaurant, for example....or to the back of the parking lot, and if I see someone coming, I move.

 

I know you probably don't believe me, and I may be the only really weird smoker in the world, but that's what I do.

 

End of conversation. Thanks for your concern.

 

MizDaisy, I would love to cruise with you one day! My guess is you are a really great person..See you on the Seas. :D

[ducklite]

It's all about COMPROMISE. A concept that most non-smokers can't seem to grasp.

 

We do grasp it--which is why businesses offer designated smoking areas in places that those who don't smoke won't be affected by it.

[McNotMac]

McNotMac and your daughter Brochquine,

 

I completely agree with everything you said and feel for you all.

 

Please let DCL know before you cruise how much stress and inconvenience this change will make to your already planned trip.

Hopefully they will then take that into account when making any future changes to policy and give Guests advance notice like Cunard have.

And buy an e-cig for Dad. Who is gonna know if they dont see!!!

 

I wish you all a great cruise despite this incompetent and poorly executed policy change.

 

ex techie

 

Thank you, we appreciate your kindness and support. I have already contacted DCL who eventually replied to my email today basically just saying what they said on their press release about the change in policy but they understood we were unhappy with the decision and should I want to make changes to our booking I should contact my travel agent who would be happy to assist. I am sure she would, she's my daughter! Must admit we found that quite amusing, as even she would not be able to get us a refund for the airfares we have already paid. Just wish DCL had informed us sooner about this policy change then we would not have booked with them in the first place.

 

You are right, this is an incompetent and poorly executed policy change.

[Pyrate13]

Let me get this straight, Cunards policy takes effect April/May and that's appears to be a fine advance notice, at least per Ex techie. You on the other hand are not cruising until June so you have been given even more notice, yet Disney's policy change is "incompetent and poorly executed". How can both of these statements be correct? :confused:

[McNotMac]

Some smokers probably do all of those things.

 

Myself, I do try to book hotels and cruises with balconies where it is ALLOWED to smoke. If not, then I go to the smoking section.

 

I don't usually fly any further than 4-5 hours non-stop, but since I have anxiety issues, I have pills I take that also make me not care if I smoke on the plane or not.

 

If anyone else is on a car trip with me, we stop once or twice so that they can use the facilities and I have a cigarette then.

 

Quitting is easier said than done. I'm happy for the people who've never had an addiction.....but I have to think back to when Disney said they weren't going to allow people to carry on alcohol any more.......for me, someone who doesn't drink.....I didn't see the big deal in that. But obviously an awful lot of people did, since Disney retracted it.

 

Smokers are getting more and more used to being treated like second class citizens. The illegals in this country have more rights than we do.

We're used to being told where to go to smoke, and when we can.

I think, as far as the Disney ships and the Disney Parks are concerned, that most smokers are VERY respectful.

 

The really funny thing is that DCL doesn't yet realize that they're going to be dealing with FAR MORE complaints, now that all the smokers will be out on the decks (in the designated areas) smoking, and those areas can be pretty hard for non-smokers to avoid.

 

I've cruised, in total, all lines, over 20 times, and only once was the smoke from a neighbor's balcony bad enough to cause my husband (and even me) to move away.

 

I've been on the Disney Boards for 11 years, and over all that time, only a very small handful of people have said that they were truly bothered by a neighbor's smoke. When someone on the DIS did complain, there were always a LOT of people who said how rare that was, and who tell others to not worry about a smoker next door because the problem is so rare.

 

I honestly think that non-smokers are just so hateful of smokers, that they wrote down "Stop smokers" on their comment cards, just because they could.....but not because they were actually really bothered by it.

That's not a scientific study, but from 11 years of observing the reaction on the DIS Boards.

 

We totally agree with each and every message you have posted on this thread. Like you we are responsible smokers, don't smoke in the house or in the company of a non smoker and like you we enjoy our cigarette and don't want to quit. Would just like to be left, within reason, to do what we choose to do when and where we choose, especially when we have paid for the privilege! And yes, we also take into consideration where we can smoke before we book a holiday, hence the booking of this cruise with a balcony. I make no apology for the fact that we feel really aggrieved by how this new policy has been forced upon us, only sorry that we believed DCL when they confirmed that we could smoke on our balcony at the time of booking.

[Ex techie]

Let me get this straight, Cunards policy takes effect April/May and that's appears to be a fine advance notice, at least per Ex techie. You on the other hand are not cruising until June so you have been given even more notice, yet Disney's policy change is "incompetent and poorly executed". How can both of these statements be correct? :confused:

 

DCL gave 5 months notice, Cunard gave 8 1/2-9 months notice.

I never said Cunard's change was fine, but 8-9 months is a lot better than 5 IMO.

 

ex techie

[McNotMac]

Let me get this straight, Cunards policy takes effect April/May and that's appears to be a fine advance notice, at least per Ex techie. You on the other hand are not cruising until June so you have been given even more notice, yet Disney's policy change is "incompetent and poorly executed". How can both of these statements be correct? :confused:

 

As far as I am concerned any company that changes the rules after taking bookings is not only incompetent but uncaring. Would have been much fairer of DCL to give advance notice of this policy change before opening up the bookings for a cruise, not take bookings and then spring it on unsuspecting guests.

 

Cant really comment on what Cunard has done as I don't know the circumstances, I only know that if I choose to cancel this cruise I will be considerably out of pocket due to loss of pre paid airfares to Spain and more importantly I would have one very disappointed granddaughter and this would have been avoided if DCL had given a bit more thought to the timing of the change.

[MizDaisy]

Disney tried to do the same thing, short notice, when they wanted to ban people being able to carry alcohol onboard. So many people complained about it, Disney ended up not changing the policy at all.

 

I guess it's okay to drink like a fish on Disney, but not to smoke on your balcony....especially when there really weren't that many people coming back after a cruise and saying they had a problem with it. Almost none, in fact.