Velvetwater Posted April 23, 2016 #401 Share Posted April 23, 2016 (edited) We were in Kotor last year on X. It is stunning and as good as if not better than Turkey. It remains my favourite sail in/out of any port (Fjord like Vistas with a Med sun) and is one of my top ports of all time. Get up early for sail in! Edited April 23, 2016 by Velvetwater Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
letsgo39 Posted April 23, 2016 Author #402 Share Posted April 23, 2016 The problem is this: In order to avoid the VAT tax, the ship has to find a port in a non-EU country. And the only possible non-EU countries (other than Turkey) are in the Adriatic Sea. The May 1 inaugural voyage is the only trip that includes the Adriatic Sea. All of the other Vista sailings do not go north of Malta or Crete. In other words: The non-EU Ports in Montenegro and Albania are too far north to be included on any of the other 17 Mediterranean itineraries. The best that could be done for the other Vista sailings is to substitute a stop at another Greek Island (Mykonos, Santorini, Crete or Malta). The June 11 sailing does go to Crete and Rhodes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeenut Posted April 23, 2016 #403 Share Posted April 23, 2016 Actually, if you map it out, we could leave Athens, go to Rhodes, have a day at sea, go to Montenegro, then Sicily. That would work logistically. I'm hoping that they do this. I'm on the May 24th and keeping fingers crossed! Yes, this would work. BUT your solution omits the stop in Malta. (The ship could not go from Kotor to Malta overnight.) Thus, you would be eliminating Malta and replacing it with a day at sea. Valletta is one of the most interesting ports on the itinerary, and I doubt that many people would want to trade Malta for a second day at sea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zionstorm Posted April 23, 2016 #404 Share Posted April 23, 2016 Yes, this would work. BUT your solution omits the stop in Malta. (The ship could not go from Kotor to Malta overnight.) Thus, you would be eliminating Malta and replacing it with a day at sea. Valletta is one of the most interesting ports on the itinerary, and I doubt that many people would want to trade Malta for a second day at sea. It's much more likely if they add a port. It will be an EU port, Greek Isle, possibly Malta for some of the others. Logistically, it looks very hard and impossible in some cases to do it any other way. Sent from my iPhone using Forums mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeenut Posted April 23, 2016 #405 Share Posted April 23, 2016 The June 11 sailing does go to Crete and Rhodes. Right. The 10-day cruises originating in Barcelona (May 14, June 11, July 9, Sept 3 and Oct 1) already stop in Crete and Rhodes and would not have the option of stopping in Malta. The only EASY option for replacing Izmir on these cruises would be to substitute a Greek port such as Mykonos or Santorini. It is only the 10-day cruises originating in Athens (May 24, June 21, July 19, Sept 13 and Oct 11) that would have the additional option of adding Crete. [Day 2 in Rhodes, Day 3 in Crete then the day at sea en route to Malta] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zionstorm Posted April 23, 2016 #406 Share Posted April 23, 2016 Right. The 10-day cruises originating in Barcelona (May 14, June 11, July 9, Sept 3 and Oct 1) already stop in Crete and Rhodes and would not have the option of stopping in Malta. The only EASY option for replacing Izmir on these cruises would be to substitute a Greek port such as Mykonos or Santorini. It is only the 10-day cruises originating in Athens (May 24, June 21, July 19, Sept 13 and Oct 11) that would have the additional option of adding Crete. [Day 2 in Rhodes, Day 3 in Crete then the day at sea en route to Malta] Why not Malta on the Barcelona originating cruises? Could slide Crete and Rhodes back a day, and add Malta after Naples..no? Sent from my iPhone using Forums mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeenut Posted April 23, 2016 #407 Share Posted April 23, 2016 (edited) Why not Malta on the Barcelona originating cruises? Could slide Crete and Rhodes back a day, and add Malta after Naples..no? Sent from my iPhone using Forums mobile app When I explored that option, it turned out that the estimated sailing time between Naples and Malta was about 16 hours. A cursory examination of schedules suggested that ships stop at Messina or Catania when traveling between Naples and Malta (as is the case for the Vista on the Athens sailings) Also I suspect that Carnival might be reluctant to change the dates for BOTH Rhodes and Crete, considering the hundreds of shore excursions that would have to be changed. [i'd be surprised if Carnival would even be willing to change the date for Rhodes alone on the five cruises originating in Athens.] Edited April 23, 2016 by zeenut Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karnyval Posted April 23, 2016 #408 Share Posted April 23, 2016 Porting in Malta would not eliminate VAT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zionstorm Posted April 23, 2016 #409 Share Posted April 23, 2016 Porting in Malta would not eliminate VAT. Yes, VAT aside which I personally am not the least bit worried about. I'm talking strictly on the terms of potential (if any) port replacement options. If we end up with a sea day, I am also more than content with that as well. Sent from my iPhone using Forums mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenhep Posted April 24, 2016 #410 Share Posted April 24, 2016 Is Izmir out for July also? Sent from my iPhone using Forums mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
letsgo39 Posted April 24, 2016 Author #411 Share Posted April 24, 2016 Is Izmir out for July also? Sent from my iPhone using Forums mobile app They have not made a decision yet on any time after the first 4 cruises. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare trippingpara Posted April 24, 2016 #412 Share Posted April 24, 2016 Is Izmir out for July also? Sent from my iPhone using Forums mobile app I believe that they have only announced the removal of Izmir for the first 4 sailings. They will continue to monitor the situation and take appropriate action. So for right now, yes it is still on the itinerary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nursefirst Posted April 24, 2016 #413 Share Posted April 24, 2016 I know it doesn't necessarily mean anything, but I just noticed Izmir is gone from the Ship Mate app for the Oct 11 sailing. It was still on the itinerary when I downloaded the app last week. I would be more surprised if they didn't cancel Izmir. Hopefully they'll let us know sooner rather than later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3redheads Posted April 24, 2016 #414 Share Posted April 24, 2016 Good catch, nursefirst. It shows a sea day for the Oct 1st sailing also. It may be premature on the part of the people who run the app. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Msjodeci Posted April 24, 2016 #415 Share Posted April 24, 2016 Following as we are a military family. Turkey had been banned for military personnel therefore my hubbys leave has been denied [emoji17]. We are already $3K in...though the removal of Izmir would be disappointing to some of my fellow passengers, the port change would be very welcomed for my family. Sent from my iPhone using Forums mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crzndeb Posted April 24, 2016 #416 Share Posted April 24, 2016 Izmir is the last stop before Athens on the Oct. 1 sailing and first stop on the Oct 11 sailing. I could see where it would be easy to just make those sea days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theriac Posted April 24, 2016 #417 Share Posted April 24, 2016 I know it doesn't necessarily mean anything, but I just noticed Izmir is gone from the Ship Mate app for the Oct 11 sailing. It was still on the itinerary when I downloaded the app last week. I would be more surprised if they didn't cancel Izmir. Hopefully they'll let us know sooner rather than later. It has always said that. From the day the itineraries were announced last year. So nothing newsworthy there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dancindukes Posted April 25, 2016 #418 Share Posted April 25, 2016 Spoke with a Carnival rep today regarding a price drop and then I brought up Turkey. She said clearly no decisions have yet been made about any but the first few sailings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldesq Posted April 25, 2016 #419 Share Posted April 25, 2016 Spoke with a Carnival rep today regarding a price drop and then I brought up Turkey. She said clearly no decisions have yet been made about any but the first few sailings. The first few? Well, only one, the first, is for sure thus far it seems.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scratchrat Posted April 25, 2016 #420 Share Posted April 25, 2016 The first few? Well, only one, the first, is for sure thus far it seems.... No. They announced the first FOUR sailings would no longer call at Izmir. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldesq Posted April 25, 2016 #421 Share Posted April 25, 2016 No. They announced the first FOUR sailings would no longer call at Izmir. That's old news. They have since changed the first itinerary by adding a new port and said there will be more changes to upcoming itineraries. They said that announcement would come last week and it did not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loungerz Posted April 25, 2016 #422 Share Posted April 25, 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zionstorm Posted April 25, 2016 #423 Share Posted April 25, 2016 Thanks for posting and now it's 100% clear. Looking forward to June 11th! Sent from my iPhone using Forums mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
housecruiser86 Posted April 28, 2016 #424 Share Posted April 28, 2016 (edited) i was just checking out excursions for october 1st cruise out of barcelona. There are no excursions listed for izmir and they where there because i already booked one so im wondering if they might be getting ready to completely drop izmir Edited April 28, 2016 by housecruiser86 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldesq Posted April 28, 2016 #425 Share Posted April 28, 2016 i was just checking out excursions for october 1st cruise out of barcelona. There are no excursions listed for izmir and they where there because i already booked one so im wondering if they might be getting ready to completely drop izmir If you received a refund, that would be a final answer but I suspect they dont want people booking something they are not sure about yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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