Yowman Posted June 30, 2023 #26 Share Posted June 30, 2023 12 minutes ago, mexico8 said: We fly often with Rouge and it is not that bad. For 3 hours it will be fine. And I've flown rouge once. Never again. I could not move once in my seat. Far too little legroom. For smaller people or for small children rouge is passible IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex-Airbalancer Posted June 30, 2023 #27 Share Posted June 30, 2023 1 hour ago, Yowman said: And I've flown rouge once. Never again. I could not move once in my seat. Far too little legroom. For smaller people or for small children rouge is passible IMO I am over 6ft , and over 250 lbs , no problems 😁 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mexico8 Posted June 30, 2023 #28 Share Posted June 30, 2023 3 hours ago, Ex-Airbalancer said: I am over 6ft , and over 250 lbs , no problems 😁 I am not a small person either and fly Rouge every year to Puerto Vallarta and back with no issues at all. I used to need a seat belt extender because of my size but I was fine on Rouge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helovestrains Posted June 30, 2023 #29 Share Posted June 30, 2023 We have booked premium economy seats on AC Rouge for our 6 hour flight in August. Hoping the seats are worth the extra cost. Either way, we'll be on vacation and that works for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare LHT28 Posted June 30, 2023 Author #30 Share Posted June 30, 2023 19 minutes ago, helovestrains said: We have booked premium economy seats on AC Rouge for our 6 hour flight in August. Hoping the seats are worth the extra cost. Either way, we'll be on vacation and that works for me. We have used the Premium seating in the past & they were fine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yowman Posted June 30, 2023 #31 Share Posted June 30, 2023 22 minutes ago, LHT28 said: We have used the Premium seating in the past & they were fine Yes, premium seating on Rouge is okay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex-Airbalancer Posted June 30, 2023 #32 Share Posted June 30, 2023 I have noticed the the smallest person usually complains the most about the size of the seat 😁 And usually they are the first to recline their seat and even leave like that even they go the wc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3CanadianBears Posted June 30, 2023 #33 Share Posted June 30, 2023 Air Canada is notorious for over-booking, in our experience. In fact, our son is currently on a long haul AC flight (booked by his employer), and 3 people were put on standby for the next flight due to overbooking. If you book/pay for a premium seat I do believe that would guarantee you a seat and if flying AC, I would certainly pay to have the guarantee of a seat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yowman Posted June 30, 2023 #34 Share Posted June 30, 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, 3CanadianBears said: Air Canada is notorious for over-booking, in our experience. In fact, our son is currently on a long haul AC flight (booked by his employer), and 3 people were put on standby for the next flight due to overbooking. If you book/pay for a premium seat I do believe that would guarantee you a seat and if flying AC, I would certainly pay to have the guarantee of a seat. As far as I'm aware AC does not overbook business class. Not sure about Premium Economy. In terms of overbooking they're no different from other airlines. Most airlines overbook Economy In terms of being bumped out of business class (on AC), it can happen because deadheading pilots need the seat (which is different from overbooking) Edited June 30, 2023 by Yowman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yowman Posted June 30, 2023 #35 Share Posted June 30, 2023 2 hours ago, Ex-Airbalancer said: I have noticed the the smallest person usually complains the most about the size of the seat 😁 And usually they are the first to recline their seat and even leave like that even they go the wc I'm not small and out of the millions of miles I've flown on multiple airlines I can say I find standard Rouge to the most unbearable and uncomfortable of them all. And I never recline my seat when flying the cheap seats, so I have something going for me 🙂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3CanadianBears Posted June 30, 2023 #36 Share Posted June 30, 2023 38 minutes ago, Yowman said: As far as I'm aware AC does not overbook business class. Not sure about Premium Economy. In terms of overbooking they're no different from other airlines. Most airlines overbook Economy In terms of being bumped out of business class (on AC), it can happen because deadheading pilots need the seat (which is different from overbooking) In my experience, WestJet does not overbook. In fact they have a policy that they do not overbook. Not sure about Porter - but I'm hearing a lot of good things about them and may give them a try. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dawnvip Posted June 30, 2023 #37 Share Posted June 30, 2023 All airlines overbook, because they look at historical numbers of how many passengers miss/cancel their flights at the last minute. The difference is their oversold factor - some will use 1% of seats and others up to 10%! Add in the possibility of an earlier flight cancellation due to crew/maintenance/weather delays and you have a recipie for a lot of unhappy travellers. I do think you are right about not overselling business class though. Part of the extra $$ paid for business includes the ability to cancel/reschedule at the last minute. Usually plenty of people looking for last minute upgrades to fill those seats too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yowman Posted July 1, 2023 #38 Share Posted July 1, 2023 (edited) 17 hours ago, 3CanadianBears said: In my experience, WestJet does not overbook. In fact they have a policy that they do not overbook. Not sure about Porter - but I'm hearing a lot of good things about them and may give them a try. You are correct, WestJet does not overbook: WestJet Policy Unfortunately they seem to be cutting back on service to eastern Canada - one flight per day now YOW-YYZ. AC and Porter are better choices for eastern Canadians these days, especially as Porter has announced expansion to Victoria and Vancouver with their new E-Jets Edited July 1, 2023 by Yowman 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex-Airbalancer Posted July 1, 2023 #39 Share Posted July 1, 2023 It will be interesting to see the pricing once Porter starts flying to FLL you can forget about WestJet in Easter Canada , if you want to fly on Westjet to the EU from YYZ you have to fly to Calgary first 🤣 I wonder how many people will be dropping their WestJet CC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yowman Posted July 1, 2023 #40 Share Posted July 1, 2023 3 minutes ago, Ex-Airbalancer said: It will be interesting to see the pricing once Porter starts flying to FLL you can forget about WestJet in Easter Canada , if you want to fly on Westjet to the EU from YYZ you have to fly to Calgary first 🤣 I wonder how many people will be dropping their WestJet CC I'm dropping mine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fouremco Posted July 1, 2023 #41 Share Posted July 1, 2023 2 hours ago, Ex-Airbalancer said: I wonder how many people will be dropping their WestJet CC Already have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3CanadianBears Posted July 1, 2023 #42 Share Posted July 1, 2023 9 hours ago, Yowman said: I'm dropping mine Keeping mine for now. We have family in Alberta and will take advantage of the $119.00 companion fare annually. Used the 2022 voucher for our flight to Vancouver in May (still a direct flight from Ottawa), great to fly at that price. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dismomx5 Posted July 2, 2023 #43 Share Posted July 2, 2023 On 7/1/2023 at 9:32 AM, Ex-Airbalancer said: It will be interesting to see the pricing once Porter starts flying to FLL you can forget about WestJet in Easter Canada , if you want to fly on Westjet to the EU from YYZ you have to fly to Calgary first 🤣 I wonder how many people will be dropping their WestJet CC Since I fly from a small southwestern Ontario market that gets one flight outbound to Toronto in the morning and a late night (10:30 p.m) inbound flight home, I'll be cancelling mine. I was hoping that I might get one more free flight after I paid the last time, but nothing has shown up. I was surprised. It's always been there within a month of the annual fees being paid. I have flown this year, but on a flight that was booked last year with a companion fare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex-Airbalancer Posted July 3, 2023 #44 Share Posted July 3, 2023 On 6/30/2023 at 3:50 PM, 3CanadianBears said: In my experience, WestJet does not overbook. In fact they have a policy that they do not overbook. Not sure about Porter - but I'm hearing a lot of good things about them and may give them a try. Porter will over book , was at Toronto and they had announcements ask people to fly another day with an offer of $600 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mexico8 Posted July 5, 2023 #45 Share Posted July 5, 2023 Has anyone had any experience with booking Economy or Premium Economy and bidding for a Business class seat before the departure? Also, anyone pay at the departure desk to upgrade from Economy or Premium Economy to Business Class? We are going to book a flight from Chile in November with Air Canada (only 2 flights needed to fly to Ottawa) and the cost difference between the flights is quite a bit. Wondering if we should try to upgrade closer to the flight time or at the airport on day of flight? Any comments appreciated on the best way to get a Business class seat for less than the going rate of $4,000 each (Canadian $). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare LHT28 Posted July 5, 2023 Author #46 Share Posted July 5, 2023 41 minutes ago, mexico8 said: Has anyone had any experience with booking Economy or Premium Economy and bidding for a Business class seat before the departure? Also, anyone pay at the departure desk to upgrade from Economy or Premium Economy to Business Class? We are going to book a flight from Chile in November with Air Canada (only 2 flights needed to fly to Ottawa) and the cost difference between the flights is quite a bit. Wondering if we should try to upgrade closer to the flight time or at the airport on day of flight? Any comments appreciated on the best way to get a Business class seat for less than the going rate of $4,000 each (Canadian $). I have bid for BIZ class a few years back on Rouge closer to the date maybe a month out I just keep checking what seats were available then when they start to fill up make a bid Make sure you do not overbid or you may as well just book now We did get the upsell but no seats together this was from Florida so maybe Chile would be harder to get the upsell Also watch the sales sometimes they offer a cheaper price for non refundable BIZ We did R/T AMS & took the lie flat seats it was not cheap even for non refundable but well worth it to us old folks YMMV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mexico8 Posted July 5, 2023 #47 Share Posted July 5, 2023 40 minutes ago, LHT28 said: I have bid for BIZ class a few years back on Rouge closer to the date maybe a month out I just keep checking what seats were available then when they start to fill up make a bid Make sure you do not overbid or you may as well just book now We did get the upsell but no seats together this was from Florida so maybe Chile would be harder to get the upsell Also watch the sales sometimes they offer a cheaper price for non refundable BIZ We did R/T AMS & took the lie flat seats it was not cheap even for non refundable but well worth it to us old folks YMMV Thank you. Hoping we can get something in Business for less than $4,000! Will keep watching those seats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare LHT28 Posted July 5, 2023 Author #48 Share Posted July 5, 2023 Just now, mexico8 said: Thank you. Hoping we can get something in Business for less than $4,000! Will keep watching those seats. good luck Worse case ask at check in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex-Airbalancer Posted July 5, 2023 #49 Share Posted July 5, 2023 11 minutes ago, mexico8 said: Thank you. Hoping we can get something in Business for less than $4,000! Will keep watching those seats. At $4000 each for a seat , that is more than our 16 16 night cruise Argentina from Lisbon 😱 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yowman Posted July 5, 2023 #50 Share Posted July 5, 2023 Anecdotal, I know, but my upcoming flights in J on AC are almost sold out a few months in advance. Given today's load factors and the number of elite AC flyers out there I'm not sure I'd count on an upgrade. Best of luck to those who want to bid on one though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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