Smoking on cruiseships

[MAD70601]

But your car's tailpipe does and I don't think you are ready to give up driving.

 

My car is a necessity in my life - "your" cigarette is not!

[from the desert]

No matter what anyone writes on these boards no one is going to change another posters mind with what they feel is their right. In actual fact this issue is non-relevant on the Princess boards since smoking is allowed in Cabins, balconies, bars, one side of the pool decks, etc.

 

Those who smoke will continue to do so, hopefully, being aware that others are not pleased when they do so and will be as courteous as possible and abide by the non-smoking restrictions as posted. No butts or ashes over the side of the ship, either. Also, sorry to report, but many smokers book outside balcony cabins just so that they won't smoke inside the cabin since they have been "trained" to head outside to smoke. Maybe not fair for the non-smokers next door but perfectably within their limited rights.

 

Non-smokers can express to their neighbors that smoking does bother them and hopefully a resolution that helps both parties can be reached. Non-smokers should also refrain from being rude, obnoxious, and abusive when they choose to be in areas where smoking is allowed. My absolute pet peeve is when I hear parents telling a child how horrible and disgusting a person is for smoking, not educationally but just for spite and vindictiveness.

 

Life is made up of compromises. When we choose to be on a ship with limited area for all passengers it would be nice if people could just get along and stop being rude and down right mean to each other. We all choose to cruise on Princess, which allows smoking, so we all just need to deal with the issue in an adult manner.

[GoodAsGold]

Actually, I did hear something about trying to outlaw smoking in a car where a child is riding. Secondhand smoke, you know. But, like someone else said, I am just the messenger....although I am NOT a smoker and as I've gotten older, I have less tolerance for it. I can't believe I grew up in the '50s and '60s where it was very common, including my own parents. Didn't faze me. Now it's all I can do to breathe when I'm around smoke.

 

I'm not a smoker, but I think ANOTHER ban on where smokers and enjoy a cigarette is the LAST thing we need! Smokers are the new lepers of our society. Get a grip, people! I can remember when my doctor had a lit cigarette during an office visit! We have polluted air by autos, but no one wants to ban them. We eat polluted food loaded with hormones and other chemicals; eat fruits and vegetables loaded with pesticides; and we eat fried fast food and are addicted to sugar-laden snacks. To get so hysterical about ONE source of possible pollution and act like smokers are morally suspect is ridiculous in my opinion. Are we going to get to the stage where we'll be telling people they can't smoke in their own homes or automobiles???! :mad:

[GoodAsGold]

Using the term "everybody" is being a bit broad, I think. At one time "everybody" didn't have a voice, but that doesn't mean they didn't notice the smoke odor or enjoy it. Remember when people in wheelchairs and other disabilities didn't have access to buildings and parking? Does it mean they didn't care or have any feelings about not being able to go where their able-bodied friends or family did? Nope. It just wasn't an issue that had been brought to the forefront yet. Same with car seats for kids and babies. Sure, they rode for years without any safety seats, just as many of us wore no seatbelts. But, in the meantime, the world has become more populated. Studies were done to show some of these things "everybody" was "okay" with back in the "old days" weren't so okay after all. So, changes were made. And, that includes more smoking bans.

 

I don't feel that cigarettes stink more or that people are suddenly more allergic. It's just that people have found their voice and aren't afraid to speak up about what they knew all along.

 

It's just seems funny to me that smokers have been smoking on cruise ships since they invented them. If I recall correctly, they even smoked in the dining rooms. Certainly in their own staterooms. Now, all of a sudden (since nonsmokers have enjoyed national approval) rooms SMELL so bad when smokers have been there! What, did they not smell 20 years ago? 10 years ago? We didn't hear how offensive and terrible it was to have to stay in a hotel room that allowed smoking or a stateroom on a ship just a short while ago. But now it's the in thing to diss smokers

Suddenly, cigarettes stink much more and everybody's allergic. Yeah, right.:rolleyes:

[timsbabe]

But your car's tailpipe does and I don't think you are ready to give up driving.

 

Nobody was talking about your car's tailpipe...I think it was smoke and perfume!

[GoodAsGold]

In my "politically correct" community we have some establishments that have a No Fragrance rule. Or at least they hope this will persuade people to tone down their perfumes. This includes the gym where I work out and the public library. Actually, the library had another "odor" problem where homeless people would sleep in the chairs and after several days or weeks without a bath or shower...well, let's just say I won't be buying any of their "fragrance". :eek: If I had my druthers, I could put up with cologne or perfumes over body odor anyday!

 

 

I've yet to enter a cabin or hotel room and be overcome by the stench of lingering perfume, but if you say so.....:rolleyes:

 

It's not unusual at all the enter a hotel room that wreaks of perfume and the smell of that takes longer to fade than a cigarette. The worst place is in a restaurant or in the ships dining rooms where just about every woman has a different perfume on and they all seem to work on the basis that they'll wear as much as possible of the heaviest perfume they can get their hands on so as theirs is noticed... There's nothing worse than chewing on perfume when your trying to eat.

[GoodAsGold]

Congratulations! I commend both you and your husband for being able to kick the habit. I hear nicotine is the most addicting of all the drugs. Good for you! :)

 

My DH quit smoking 12-15-06 and I quit 1-23-07 after smoking for 33 years:eek:

[tequilasunrise]

Marrriotts have no smoking and it has not hurt their sales one :cool: bit.

 

Interesting that you note that---I live in Washington State, where smoking in all public places was banned a couple of years ago. Tavern owners, restaurants, etc fought hard to keep that from going in because they thought they would lose business. As an adamant clean air person, I even felt sorry for the tavern owners. However, the end results have not been drastic for anyone, even the small taverns that border other states have continued to do well, and many high end bars have seen an increase in profit because non-smokers now go there.

 

Cruise ships are worried possibly because the Carnival Paradise, smoke free, while always sailing full had less profit from booze and casino (make your own conclusions, I'm not going there). Personally I would prefer to allow smoking so those who do smoke can enjoy a nice vacation, BUT, with more restrictions. There is no such thing as a "half smoking room". It's all or nothing. So why not have a few designated smoking areas, fully enclosed and/or at aft outside and make other public rooms and cabins and balconies non-smoking? Maybe a full out smoking bar with entertainment, again fully enclosed. If smokers want to go to other rooms, and have an extreme addiction, they can wear nicotine patches. And non-smokers who choose to go to the smoking bar would then have no right to complain.

 

Ultimately this won't change until non-smokers start letting cruise ship companies know that they demand clean air, so don't hesitate to write to them, put it on your comment cards, and be prepared to drink up :eek: so their profits don't flag.

[tequilasunrise]

One of our favorite cruises was on the non-smoking Paradise. It wasn't that they couldn't find enough people to book it: it was that Carnival felt non-smokers as a group tend not to spend as much in the casino and at the bar. Unfortunately' date=' Carnival didn't market it very well -- they could have sold it out every cruise by marketing it to families and older folks who would love to enjoy a clean air cruise. We told many people about it and they didn't know there was such a cruiseship. And Carnival didn't move the ship around enough. If they had moved it to the West Coast as a non-smoking ship, there would have been a lot of happy cruisers here. My hubby said we would have booked it for a west coast cruise in a second if it was still non-smoking. It was so nice to move around a ship without smelling that awful smell of tobacco. And the passengers were the most nicest we ever sailed with -- in the best mood.

 

That said, we have not had a single problem (fingers crossed) with a smelly cabin on any cruise we've been on. So maybe we haven't followed a group of smokers or else we've had cabin stewards who've used that spray. But we don't book balconies -- we would hate to spend the extra money and then be smoked out by someone smoking nearby.[/quote']

 

I don't book balconies for the same reason----if I'm in a public space at least I can move. I really wish I had sailed the Paradise when she was there, but it was the only way I'd sail Carnival over Princess and I didn't know about it in time :( I agree that this would make a LOT of money on the west coast, especially if marketed to families.

[happyscot]

OK, OK everyone stop for a minute

 

I've got my popcorn now

 

Continue

 

Hee hee hee so funny. My thoughts exactly. Hic.

 

I'm a smoker. I'm disgusting. Stay away from me. Smoking and no smoking cabins now. Yeh!

 

Oh and vote for...................aaaaaah who cares.

 

Hic.

 

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[sept10dsm]

Interesting that you note that---I live in Washington State, where smoking in all public places was banned a couple of years ago. Tavern owners, restaurants, etc fought hard to keep that from going in because they thought they would lose business. As an adamant clean air person, I even felt sorry for the tavern owners. However, the end results have not been drastic for anyone, even the small taverns that border other states have continued to do well, and many high end bars have seen an increase in profit because non-smokers now go there.

 

Cruise ships are worried possibly because the Carnival Paradise, smoke free, while always sailing full had less profit from booze and casino (make your own conclusions, I'm not going there). Personally I would prefer to allow smoking so those who do smoke can enjoy a nice vacation, BUT, with more restrictions. There is no such thing as a "half smoking room". It's all or nothing. So why not have a few designated smoking areas, fully enclosed and/or at aft outside and make other public rooms and cabins and balconies non-smoking? Maybe a full out smoking bar with entertainment, again fully enclosed. If smokers want to go to other rooms, and have an extreme addiction, they can wear nicotine patches. And non-smokers who choose to go to the smoking bar would then have no right to complain.

 

Ultimately this won't change until non-smokers start letting cruise ship companies know that they demand clean air, so don't hesitate to write to them, put it on your comment cards, and be prepared to drink up :eek: so their profits don't flag.

I live in NJ and our smoking stopped last year. We went through the same thing about losing business etc. Now, I think more go. The nonsmokers that stayed away or left quickly due to the smoke and the smokers. The smokers just have little placecards in some places, saying out for a smoke and they go outside and return. It was more hype than anything. Like I said more seem to be in the bars. Atlantic City is next on the agenda. It's in the process to stop smoking too. That would be great. I think they would also attract the nonsmokers more.

 

I don't think that if all the cruiselines had truly designated smoking areas and had smoke free rooms, they would hurt for business. Many smokers are more considerate of nonsmokers now and many are finally realizing how bad it truly is for their own health as well as their own families.

[tONYpAL85]

Someone asked me about calling Princess and what they said about requesting a non-smoking room. She said that first of all they assume that people have enough common sense to not smoke in rooms without any ventilation, but that sometimes people smoke anyways. I told her the person I'm traveling with is allergic to smoke and she said that if the room has been smoked in by the people before us they will either 1. clean the room to rid it of the smoke smell or 2. put us in a new room that hasnt been smoked in. She also noted it on our booking that we will not tolerate a room that has been smoked in. We've never had a problem with this in the past, but I want to make sure that we don't this time. She said that they keep track of the rooms that are smoked in. People that smoke have to request an ash tray and then it is noted that they have smoked in the room. Hope this helps! :)

[Yugum]

Difficult subject. It is unpleasant on your own balcony when you have to breath and smell the second hand smoke of a person infusing their lungs and body with a cancer stick. Now, because I own cigarrette stocks, I hope that smokers continue to buy cartons everyday to smoke and enjoy the carcinogens - I just wish it could occur in desgnated areas - like the window sarcophagus rooms they have at the Las Vegas airport that looks like an exhibit at a zoo.

 

I say put smokers on one side or towards the rear of the ship to keep everyone happy.

[Sandytoes]

go sea Why Go On A Cruise If Its That Bad? People Complain About The Smoke, About The Fat In The Food,people Drinking,chair Hogs,just Plain Loud Rude People.it Sounds Like I'm In New York City.

Those are fighting words....

 

 

 

 

This thread needs to

Pass the Peace Pipe Around....

[elou]

I Hate Being Near Someone Who Drinks. I Just Don't Like Drinking Or Smelling It. Does That Mean Cruise Lines Will Stop Selling It Or People Will Stop Smuggling It On Board. Can't You Have A Good Time Without Being Intoxicated. To Me Drunks Are Loud And Stupid. But, The World Is Not Going To Change For Me. I Just Keep Away From The Lounges. I Have To Accept This. Smoking Is Dangerous To Me, But Drunks Can Be Dangerous To Anyone. I'll Never Understand Why People Need To Drink Unless They Are Addicted; As I Am To Nicotine. I Say Stop Drinking. Anyone With Me, I Bet Not. Thank You.

[SuzCruise]

My DH and I were cruising the med a couple of years ago on HAL on a 10 day cruise. About 5 days into the cruise our cabin began to reek of cigarette smoke. We are both very allergic to cigarette smoke so this quickly began to cause headaches and asthma attacks. Fun holiday! We complained to our steward - who said it was coming from the room next door and there was nothing we could do. We complained to the front desk who came to our room and agreed with us that it was coming from the air vents. They couldn't move us - so the solution was to bring in what they called an "ozone machine" to neutralize the odors. The problem was that this machine posed some unspecified danger so we weren't allowed in the room when the machine was running and they tried to get us to sign a liability waiver. We didn't sign. We chose the danger we don't know over the danger of second hand smoke so we'll see if future generations are born with 2 heads.

 

The interesting thing is we went to the "environmental lecture" given by the environmental officer aboard the ship and inquired about the problem and if that meant the air in the casino was being pumped into our room or what? We were told there was no air filtration system aboard the ship. The air was just being circulated. On a long itenerary with lots of smokers aboard the ship - smoke would eventually be pumped into every area via the AC system.

[Kaye from Chicagoland]

Difficult subject. It is unpleasant on your own balcony when you have to breath and smell the second hand smoke of a person infusing their lungs and body with a cancer stick. Now, because I own cigarrette stocks, I hope that smokers continue to buy cartons everyday to smoke and enjoy the carcinogens - I just wish it could occur in desgnated areas - like the window sarcophagus rooms they have at the Las Vegas airport that looks like an exhibit at a zoo.

 

I say put smokers on one side or towards the rear of the ship to keep everyone happy.

 

Just curious - is Las Vegas enforcing their no smoking policy in all hotel rooms? What about the casinos? What are the restrictions currently? We haven't been there recently.

 

Kaye

[SallyMay]

To the one who would spray their neighbor who was smoking on their own balcony with vinegar: I would consider that assault and could warrant your removal from the ship. You may not like the smell but you do not have the right to attack the next person to prove your point.

 

To answer your question, yes I smoke and yes I will smoke on the balcony. If you were to ask me nicely to not smoke when you were out I would most likely accommodate you. Taking turns doesn't hurt anyone. Assualt me and I would bring charges.

[BeachBumMama]

Difficult subject. It is unpleasant on your own balcony when you have to breath and smell the second hand smoke of a person infusing their lungs and body with a cancer stick.

Since you own stock, how unpleasant is it to enjoy the profits from smokers that have contributed to your income to allow you to purchase that balcony room? Wow, someone that wants to 'judge' others yet profit on their addiction at the same time. If they legalized drugs would you buy stock and support another person's crack addiction? You would for 'profits' sake, obviously there's big money to be made in that, but then you would of course complain when the house next door becomes a drug haven for addicts. You want it - you just don't want it in your neighborhood. Seems a little contradictory for you to want it both ways.

 

Now, because I own cigarrette stocks, I hope that smokers continue to buy cartons everyday to smoke and enjoy the carcinogens - I just wish it could occur in desgnated areas

It is. Most of the public rooms on ships are non-smoking. And on the outside one side of the ship is smoking and one is non-smoking. Non-smokers have more rooms than smokers who are limited to a few lounges etc.

 

So if the major complaint on this board is the cabins, then maybe they should have designated smoking and non-smoking. But I wonder how many people would agree that the logical thing would be to make all the balcony rooms the smoking rooms? This would make the most sense because the inside and oceanview rooms have no air ventilation, so it would seem the best place for smokers would be the balcony's. Is there anyone who disagrees with that? And if that were the case, even though you don't smoke, would you still book a balcony room knowing that the person before you might have been smoking there?

 

I say put smokers on one side or towards the rear of the ship to keep everyone happy.

Which side? What if the best side of the ship for the itinerary is the port side. Who gets that side? Smokers or non-smokers? And towards the rear? Why? Do you prefer mid-ship?

 

Point is, I think the cruise lines have tried to accomodate everyone, and yet there are still people who complain that it isn't enough. Illegal drugs in our society has become more 'acceptable' than smoking. And lawmakers spending their time concentrating on odor restriction? Isn't there something much more important to deal with? If that's the biggest problem in that town to deal with, I think I want to live there.:)

 

And parents that teach their kids how bad and nasty smokers are (a person posted about this and I've seen it myself), have they talked to their children about drugs and STD's? If they're in trouble one day and see a nice woman standing on the sidewalk with a cigarette in her hand (because she can't smoke inside), and a man sitting on a bench by himself watching the playground full of kids... who is that child going to run to?

 

So how many people agree that because of ventiation issues, it's logical to make all the balcony cabins the smoking cabins?

[PescadoAmarillo]

What if the best side of the ship for the itinerary is the port side.

 

This is OT, but I don't think this particular point is very valid. I haven't been on a cruise yet where one side is always favorable over another in every port on the itinerary. A ship can be docked either direction while in port, and for the truly beautiful vistas (i.e. glaciers) the ship will turn in place to allow everyone a good view.

 

But, if it happened that one side was preferable over the other (IF), then, of course, give it to the non-smokers! ;)

[sultan_sfo]

Just got back from LV. At check-in, we were asked "Smoking or Non-Smoking". So the law probably only requires LV hotels to make available non-smoking room. Our whole floor was non-smoking. /Sultan

 

 

Just curious - is Las Vegas enforcing their no smoking policy in all hotel rooms? What about the casinos? What are the restrictions currently? We haven't been there recently.

 

Kaye

[BeachBumMama]

But, if it happened that one side was preferable over the other (IF), then, of course, give it to the non-smokers! ;)

Of course, for that would only be 'fair' - LOL:D

[flarad]

In my "politically correct" community we have some establishments that have a No Fragrance rule. Or at least they hope this will persuade people to tone down their perfumes. This includes the gym where I work out and the public library. Actually, the library had another "odor" problem where homeless people would sleep in the chairs and after several days or weeks without a bath or shower...well, let's just say I won't be buying any of their "fragrance". :eek: If I had my druthers, I could put up with cologne or perfumes over body odor anyday!

GoodAsGold, do you find it a little ironic that there is a Dove ad in your posting about smelly people :D I thought that was funny!

[RuthlessBoss]

The main reason non smokers pick on us smokers is we are the only ones in their reach. Do any of them complain about car emissions, those ungodly fumes from trucks. Do they complain of the cars, busses, and cabs outside the terminal waiting for their passengers while emitting obnoxious fumes? Have they ever looked at or smelled the huge plumes of sooty smoke coming from the stacks of their cruise ship?:confused: :rolleyes:

[Minoushka]

I agree there should not be smoking inside a cabin for safety reasons as well as smelly reasons. Hubby and I are both smokers, and when we stay at a hotel or cruise we never smoke in the cabin or a hotel room. At home we only smoke outside. I can't imagine how smoky it would get after 7 days of no fresh air in there with 2 of us smoking. The least the cruiseships should do is offer smoking or non-smoking cabins at time of reservations.

 

HEAR HEAR I TOTALLY AGREE !!

Started same thread on RCCL board .YOu might find interesting comments by smokers who vindicate their rights to pollute everyone's environmentand got harsh when i suggested the same thing as you111