mbisson Posted July 16, 2010 #1 Share Posted July 16, 2010 Coming soon to a discount TA near you (and this one will certainly be discussed) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alwalaska Posted July 16, 2010 #2 Share Posted July 16, 2010 Coming soon to a discount TA near you (and this one will certainly be discussed) Any details? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbisson Posted July 16, 2010 Author #3 Share Posted July 16, 2010 Any details? Here's a quote from a letter I got just a few minutes ago from a large online TA: "recent policy changes issued by Carnival Cruise Lines and Norwegian Cruise Line. Carnival and NCL will prohibit travel agencies from offering discounted cruise prices as of August 1st, 2010." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njhorseman Posted July 16, 2010 #4 Share Posted July 16, 2010 Coming soon to a discount TA near you (and this one will certainly be discussed) I had heard Carnival was adopting the "no discounting" policy, but I hadn't heard about NCL, although if Carnival is going to do it, it is pretty likely NCL will follow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mommyto2girls Posted July 16, 2010 #5 Share Posted July 16, 2010 I had heard Carnival was adopting the "no discounting" policy, but I hadn't heard about NCL, although if Carnival is going to do it, it is pretty likely NCL will follow. HERE IS WHAT I GOT FROM A LARGE ONLINE AGENCY: "Carnival and NCL will prohibit travel agencies from offering discounted cruise prices as of August 1st, 2010. In lieu of discounted pricing we will offer you the choice of FREE insurance Onboard credits, Insurance, Wine, Gifts & more. You can also choose to receive free travel insurance protection for your cruise. We currently offers the Picture Perfect policy from iTravelInsured. This policy includes trip cancellation, trip interruption, trip delay, emergency medical and dental while traveling, emergency medical evacuation, baggage, and more! " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dutrie Posted July 16, 2010 #6 Share Posted July 16, 2010 I received the same notice from my cruise agent. I wonder if other brands under the Carnival corporate structure (Princess, HAL) will also prohibit discounts. My also stated: In lieu of discounted pricing, (name left out) will offer you the choice of FREE insurance and points that are redeemable in our exclusive Choice Points store towards bonuses like onboard credit. (This promotion is what we currently offer on Royal Caribbean brands.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mooder Posted July 16, 2010 #7 Share Posted July 16, 2010 Coming soon to a discount TA near you (and this one will certainly be discussed) Mongo know how to make gal's day. :( Mooder like her TA! :mad: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbisson Posted July 16, 2010 Author #8 Share Posted July 16, 2010 It could be interesting in a few weeks, to see how those who use discounters feel the value between the lower fares & the free gifts/OBC etc compare Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CT Cruiser10 Posted July 16, 2010 #9 Share Posted July 16, 2010 I think that RCCL already does this. I seem to recall a policy in which Travel Agents are not allowed to undercut the price of booking directly. Of course, a $100 onboard credit is pretty much the same as a $100 discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbisson Posted July 16, 2010 Author #10 Share Posted July 16, 2010 I think that RCCL already does this. I seem to recall a policy in which Travel Agents are not allowed to undercut the price of booking directly. Of course, a $100 onboard credit is pretty much the same as a $100 discount. Agreed! But sometimes I've seen some really LARGE price differences. Even big enough to the point of "Damn, how will I spend all that?" LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliforniaDreamer Posted July 16, 2010 #11 Share Posted July 16, 2010 Looks like we frequent the same online TA. Their discounts were the best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big green Posted July 16, 2010 #12 Share Posted July 16, 2010 Where is the official NCL release on this policy change??? BG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STARFISH*4 Posted July 16, 2010 #13 Share Posted July 16, 2010 WOWWWW that will change things...my TA gives GREAT discounts good thing i have my next 2 cruises booked (at GREAT deals)! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vineyard Ldy Posted July 16, 2010 #14 Share Posted July 16, 2010 I hate to say this but I think my next cruise I will go directly through NCL. My TA is never available and when I do call I am on hold for 20 minutes and get someone who has no clue. TA is attentive when you are ready to purchase but after you have paid in full they lose all interest. The price through NCL is a bit better than what I paid through the TA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MszKitty Posted July 16, 2010 #15 Share Posted July 16, 2010 Where is the official NCL release on this policy change??? BG Here's an email I received from NCL just a few minutes ago: Dear Travel Partner, With our legacy as champion of the travel agency distribution network, today we are announcing an upgraded and more clearly defined rebating policy which encourages travel partners to grow as marketers and not as discounters. The new policy prohibits rebating in the form of price. Alternatively, travel partners will need to formulate a marketing plan, utilizing value-add opportunities, and submit it to their sales representative for approval. Funds to cover the marketing plan will be deducted from the travel partner's commission. Here are the new guidelines, effective August 1, 2010: Travel partners may offer a discretionary value-add, provided... It is not cash or cash equivalent The value or perceived value does not exceed 10% of the total cruise fare including non-commissionable fares (NCFs) The dollar amount or percentage of the value-add is not included in any marketing or advertising with the exception of onboard credit. Value-add opportunities and marketing plans must be approved by Norwegian Cruise Line in advance of promotion launch. Your partner in structuring a value-add opportunity is your Business Development Manager or Business Development Specialist. If you are not sure who to contact, please send an email to sales@ncl.com and we'll put you in touch. We have included with this letter the formal policy statement as well as a list of frequently asked questions. You may have a few additional questions unique to your business model and we encourage you to direct them to your Business Development Manager or Specialist at sales@ncl.com. Best Regards, Andy Stuart EVP, Global Sales and Passenger Services Rebate Policy Effective as of August 1, 2010, the following policy must be adhered to when selling, advertising or marketing and/or promoting Norwegian Cruise Line sailings. Norwegian Cruise Line requires all credit card payments to be made to Norwegian Cruise Line at the Gross Price due for all bookings made on or after August 1, 2010 Travel Partners may offer value-adds to passengers at the time of booking. Travel Partners must adhere to the following guidelines when offering a value-add to the passenger: a. Obtain prior written approval from the Norwegian Cruise Line Sales Department regarding the terms of the value-add b. the value-add cannot be a cash or cash equivalent (except OBC) c. the value or perceived value of the value-add offer cannot exceed 10% of the total cruise fare including ncf's d. the dollar amount or percentage of savings offered as a result of the value-add offer cannot be included in any marketing or advertisement (only onboard credits can be listed in any marketing or advertisement). Travel Partners must contact their sales representative and submit a Sales & Marketing plan for approval. Following the submission of the Sales and Marketing Plan, the Norwegian Cruise Line Sales Department will approve one of two options: A value-add promotion that does not exceed 10% of the total cruise fare including ncf's and that is not cash or a cash equivalent (except for an onboard credit). The Travel Partner will be able to select the value-add offer which they would like to include in the promotion from Norwegian Cruise Line's list of available value-add offers. Or Norwegian Cruise Line will offer a menu of acceptable value-adds that can be used for marketing purposes in conjunction with a "Sale or Promotion" pre-approved by the Norwegian Cruise Line Sales Department with the following parameters: a. Booking period will be defined in the Sales & Marketing plan which requires approval of Norwegian Cruise Line b. "Sale or Promotion" can be inclusive of all product or specific product and/or specific meta categories Once the Norwegian Cruise Line Sales Department approves the "Sale or Promotion", Norwegian Cruise Line will program the internal systems to support the promotion and automatically add to all bookings made with in the promotional time under the agreed upon terms, the value-add offer. In the instance that any Travel Partner violates any terms of this Policy, such Travel partner shall be subject to penalties up to and including a stop sell. In addition, Norwegian Cruise Line may pursue any and all legal remedies available to Norwegian Cruise Line against such Travel Partner. Rebate Policy Questions and Answers Q. All of our marketing is in line with the guidelines but at the time of closing the sale we would like to offer a discount, is this acceptable? A. The marketing guidelines apply to the selling of the cruise as well. If you can not advertise the discount it cannot be offered. The only time the value-add can be included is when it as been pre-approved by Sales as part of a specific Sales & Marketing promotion. Q. Can rates below the approved Norwegian Cruise Line rates and or value-add dollar amounts be advertised to a private membership base, club membership or private opt-in email database. A. This is considered advertising rebated rates. Even in a closed environment, this is against policy. Q. If we are affiliated with a National Account can we advertise a value-add? A. Your corporate office would have to select the product and the offer along with the booking window required. The promotion would be set up for all affiliates to book into. Q. What is an acceptable value-add? A. Anything from our promotional menu or items from our amenities list or anything that is pre-approved by Sales. Q. Can I offer a gift card from a retail store? A. Cash or cash equivalents can not be offered. Q. Can I offer category upgrades to my clients as value-adds? A. Upgrades are not permitted as there is a perceived cash value. Q. Will Norwegian Cruise Line accept less than the gross due for final payments via credit cards? A. All credit card payments will be required to be paid at Gross. We will not accept payment for less than the Gross Amount due. Q. Will Norwegian Cruise Line accept less than the Gross Due when making final payment on a group? A. Our policy on this has not changed for group bookings due to the TC's and amenities that are associated with groups. Q. If an agency has a group with amenity points, can the rates along with the value add be advertised? A. Yes and we highly recommend that amenity points be assigned at time group is blocked to take full advantage of the value-add. Q. What if I do not want to use any items from the Value-Add menu? A. With prior approval from Sales you can offer a value-add item that does not exceed 10% of the total cruise fare and is not cash or a cash equivalent. Q. How do I set up a promotion? A. Contact your sales representative and have a Sales & Marketing Plan ready for their approval. Q. What about Norwegian Cruise Line coupon booklets? Are they considered a value-add under this program? A. No. The coupon booklets are a value-add supplied by Norwegian Cruise Line and are not considered a part of this program. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vickila Posted July 16, 2010 #16 Share Posted July 16, 2010 New policy also says -- not more than $25 onboard credit can be issued. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big green Posted July 16, 2010 #17 Share Posted July 16, 2010 New policy also says -- not more than $25 onboard credit can be issued.[/quote I did not see that in the policy -- I read it as being is no more than 10% of the cruise value--if you paid $5000 it would equate to $500OBC--that is the way I understand it??? BG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
debnjoe1438 Posted July 16, 2010 #18 Share Posted July 16, 2010 Looks like we frequent the same online TA. Their discounts were the best. I'm thinking I use the same TA, what bummer this change will be:( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
can'twaittogoagain Posted July 16, 2010 #19 Share Posted July 16, 2010 Looks like we frequent the same online TA. Their discounts were the best. Ditto to that, we use them too and got the same email. I don't really understand it. They buy blocks of cabins and pass on the savings to us. Everyone wins. Except NCL? I don't know...I am wondering what other changes we might see in pricing structure. Well heck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiyana4 Posted July 16, 2010 #20 Share Posted July 16, 2010 I thought I was waking up from a bad dream when I saw new NCL policy changes so soon as CCL announced its policy changes. One thing I will say, RCL has been doing this for years, yet TA's have always found ways to keep clients happy and I have always found a way to support my TA. I hope this continues to be the case. If NCL is making it harder to find competitive pricing, those that own stock with other companies will be looking more closely as those lines...I know I will. NCL is a privately held company and offer no perks for booking direct (balcony upgrade aside). While I like the freestyle concept, just knowing that OBC is still available on CCL and RCL even if the best pricing is not, gives me a reason to look there. I really hope NCL has thought this one through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big green Posted July 16, 2010 #21 Share Posted July 16, 2010 Sheehan was quoted as saying this on July 6--then on july 17 he screws most of the companies and TA that sell the NCL product, another great move by NCL: "NCL is recommitting itself to the travel agent community. Before, Sheehan admitted, NCL was a bit difficult to work with. Now, "we are looking to enhance our travel agent business," he said, adding that NCL's pricing is up and all ships are booking well. "Agents are the ones who make the business work."" BG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Planer's Edge Posted July 16, 2010 #22 Share Posted July 16, 2010 Sheehan was quoted as saying this on July 6--then on july 17 he screws most of the companies and TA that sell the NCL product, another great move by NCL: "NCL is recommitting itself to the travel agent community. Before, Sheehan admitted, NCL was a bit difficult to work with. Now, "we are looking to enhance our travel agent business," he said, adding that NCL's pricing is up and all ships are booking well. "Agents are the ones who make the business work."" BG I guess this is just another thing that will drive you away from NCL. :D PE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sauer-kraut Posted July 16, 2010 #23 Share Posted July 16, 2010 Well this absolutely stinks! I don't think getting a $75 trip insurance voucher free is any savings, I got my balcony from a discounter for about 1/3 of what NCL was offering which is way more than the price of the 'free' insurance. :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big green Posted July 16, 2010 #24 Share Posted July 16, 2010 I guess this is just another thing that will drive you away from NCL. :D PE You are finally waking up--if the prices are way to high it will, along with a others --- it will be hard in my opinion for NCL to compete with other lines just on brand with out price reductions allowed by TAs. BG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smeyer418 Posted July 16, 2010 #25 Share Posted July 16, 2010 TA still have access to group rates and other rates that may not be on the website. It does take an educated consumer to find these. Pricing maybe up but discounts abound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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