Navigator - dress code actually enforced!

It's a legitimate question though. Everyone keeps saying "contract, sign, rules, responsibility". Oh, that only applies to men. That's rather sexist, is it not? Why is it okay for a sexist double standard to exist?

Ok, then why is it ok for men to go topless around the pool (or even in the elevator as some like to do) but women can't? Double standard??:p

Ok, then why is it ok for men to go topless around the pool (or even in the elevator as some like to do) but women can't? Double standard??:p

Don't know why this keeps coming up. It is not pertinent. The sign at MDR says no shorts for dinner. Doesn't say if that applies to men only or women only.

Yet women are routinely in MDR with shorts. I personally think it is fine for them to be dressed that way. I think it is fine for me to be dressed that way. If RCI is going to have a code, selective enforcement against men but not women is sexist and discriminatory.

Don't know why this keeps coming up. It is not pertinent. The sign at MDR says no shorts for dinner. Doesn't say if that applies to men only or women only.

 

Yet women are routinely in MDR with shorts. I personally think it is fine for them to be dressed that way. I think it is fine for me to be dressed that way. If RCI is going to have a code, selective enforcement against men but not women is sexist and discriminatory.

It is pertinent as women are not allowed to do what men do by the pool - they can't go topless. In some cultures/countries this is totally acceptable, legal and normal. So should men now be required to cover their chest because the rule should apply to everyone?

Look, I totally agree with you on the shorts. If it's the rule then no one should be permitted to wear them, no one - not men, women or children.

I, nor any of my family (husband and 2 children cruising since they were 1) have ever worn shorts in the MDR for dinner, not even on the first night. Not once.

If they want to relax the policy and allow shorts in the dining room so be it, I'm fine with that. But they better stipulate the type of shorts that's allowed (ie "dress" shorts with belt loops or something) because it's a slippery slope. I'm sure most people will dress properly but there are always some who like to push the envelope and will show up in gym shorts, etc. THAT would not be acceptable IMO.

Never cruised with RCI (or any other line, for that matter) during March Spring Break. Probably because I've been told by a few folks that it's not the best time to sail, unless you don't mind tons of children and teens. I have been on a short cruise out of Miami in April years ago that was full of college kids, and that was insane as I recall. Had a good time, but a bit crazy for my tastes.

Does anybody have any Spring Break sailing experiences, good or bad or indifferent to share? Maybe I'll try it one day if the rates/itinerary are good.

Sorry. Ignore the above post, it's for another thread. :(

Don't know why this keeps coming up. It is not pertinent. The sign at MDR says no shorts for dinner. Doesn't say if that applies to men only or women only.

 

Yet women are routinely in MDR with shorts. I personally think it is fine for them to be dressed that way. I think it is fine for me to be dressed that way. If RCI is going to have a code, selective enforcement against men but not women is sexist and discriminatory.

This reminds me of a time - granted, a few years ago - we were in San Juan for a couple days pre-cruise. My BIL was not admitted to a casino - yep, a casino, where we know we are mostly donating - because he was wearing shorts. I, or course, had no problem in my shorts. Wasn't even a place serving food, so couldn't even go with the "hairy legs" argument. But, it was house rules, and they enforced it. No way to know in advance in that case. Guess they just didn't care about his money.

No. Having a choice as to how you respond does not remove the pressure.

Only if you make it.

Now, explain why the group that likes dressing up should feel justified to pressure the group that does not?

That's a two way street. There are plenty of people pressing the issue of more casual dress codes and doing away with them completely.

Oh, I know, the cruise line said so. Well, so what? What would be the reaction from those who do prefer to dress up be if the cruise line were to change the policy? Would they say, oh, well, those are the rules?

Anything is possible and they very well could.

Or, would they threaten to change cruise lines?

Again, anything is possible and they very well could.

Dress codes don't bother us. The only night we could not abide by them was night one because luggage didn't arrive until after supper. IMO and it is just that "My Opinion" the ship has the right to expect their passengers to present themselves a certain way on the ship. You as a customer are an extension of them and their standard and we picked RCI based on what they expect from passengers. We avoided Carnival, for example, because of the college party reputation it has among the people I know that have taken that cruise line. There is nothing wrong with that if that is what you want but we did not. To me dressing up for supper is part of the experience and we enjoyed it. It is not like you got on the ship and they made the announcement about what is required in dining then. It clearly states what is expected whether or not they enforce it or not should not matter since everyone knows what is "expected" just like the speed limit..sure every one tends to speed on occasion but you can't get upset when you finally get a ticket for it.

Do all RCL ships have a 3 tier main dining room?

Why not have, in addition to selecting a time, select a style:

Snob

Slob

Hell if I care

(ok everyone calm down, I'm joking about the category names)

Then based on signups they can sit everyone accordingly.

 

 

That's a two way street. There are plenty of people pressing the issue of more casual dress codes and doing away with them

People that want casual aren't forcing anyone else to dress casual. Those who want a more strict dress code are trying to force others to "dress up". That's the difference

 

 

That's a two way street. There are plenty of people pressing the issue of more casual dress codes and doing away with them completely.

 

So what? If dress codes were done away with, it would not affect the ability of anyone to dress in any fashion they wish. It would not affect in one iota anyone's ability to wear a tuxedo or a suit or a cocktail dress. What harm does this cause anyone?

We do have one group, the dress up group, that does want to dictate the behavior of another group and does have the adverse effect of banning them from the MDR.

Now, once again, explain why the group that likes dressing up should feel justified to pressure the group that does not?

Ok, then why is it ok for men to go topless around the pool (or even in the elevator as some like to do) but women can't? Double standard??:p

You're right.

From now on, women can go topless!:D

I have never seen anyone being turned away from the MDR on casual nights for wearing shorts. I would have a hard time believing that it would happen. I don't care what people are wearing, I'm there to eat.

Truthfully, we've never seen anyone turned away any night. Then again, we're not nosy in other people's business

Agree again with you, we go to the Restaurant to eat, who cares what others are wearing! Ain't going to make the food taste better!:D

But love reading the ninnies getting all bent out of shape about what others wear, and how it bothers them so much these 'lazy', 'evil', 'monstrous' 'sub humans' dare ignore RCL's dress codes, how will RCL ever survive!:eek: ;)

But as an RCL stockholder I can tell you, RCL has done very well ignoring the dress code most of the time.:)

Truthfully, we've never seen anyone turned away any night. Then again, we're not nosy in other people's business

Agree again with you, we go to the Restaurant to eat, who cares what others are wearing! Ain't going to make the food taste better!

 

But love reading the ninnies getting all bent out of shape about what others wear, and how it bothers them so much these 'lazy', 'evil', 'monstrous' 'sub humans' dare ignore RCL's dress codes, how will RCL ever survive!:eek: ;)

But as an RCL stockholder I can tell you, RCL has done very well ignoring the dress code most of the time.:)

Said like a true business owner. With your customers split 50/50 cater to to the old traditionalists ;);) and embrace the new casual style at the same time. Sell to and profit from both. Marketing 101 baby.:D

I have never seen anyone being turned away from the MDR on casual nights for wearing shorts. I would have a hard time believing that it would happen.

I have, so that makes it 1 all.

I actually don't care what others wear fwiw.

I have, so that makes it 1 all.

 

I actually don't care what others wear fwiw.

I've seen it 2 or 3 times. We don't sit right next to the door so the only time that we have seen it was when the person was right in front of us in line entering. Also saw someone sent back because they didn't like his "wife beater" shirt.

You're right.

 

From now on, women can go topless!:D

Ok then. Glad we got one thing straightened out on this thread. :)

I've seen it 2 or 3 times. We don't sit right next to the door so the only time that we have seen it was when the person was right in front of us in line entering. Also saw someone sent back because they didn't like his "wife beater" shirt.

I've never seen anyone turned away, myself, but I don't find that surprising, even if it happens, because one would hope they would be discreet about it. So, most people in the dining room would likely be unaware.

She could stand to miss a meal or 2

 

 

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What are you implying?

Just catching up on CC after our return. Didn't realize I would set off a fire storm. Was just trying to help out future cruisers out of Galveston.

These threads always make me laugh... only because people are so passionate about dress "codes". I do get it though (I think). Seems to me after reading thru this and all the other "dress code" threads that there are 3 general camps of people:

 

1. Those who are irritated with the fact that a "rule" exists and that others are choosing not to follow said rules.

 

2. Those who are questioning the need for or validity of the "rule" in the first place.

 

3. Those who are angry that the thread even exists.

 

I don't want to pack and transport (by plane) formal clothing, so we opt for Windjammer on formal nights. We pack according to the dress policy for the casual nights (pants and collared shirts for DH). I could be wrong here, but I didn't take the OP as being upset. I read it that she was simply trying to say "hey, pack accordingly".

 

When a rule has been in place for many years but has long been unenforced, I think the reasonable assumption would be that it will continue to be a "non-rule". And given the heated debates on CC, it's obvious that this rule has not been enforced across the fleet, or even from day to day on certain cruises. Does that mean the rule doesn't exist? No.

 

I think she and her husband made a normal, reasonable assumption after seeing the rule consistently not enforced on many cruises. I think she was also just letting others know - especially given the volatile emotions that seem to surround the dress code on CC - that the rule that has been widely unenforced is now being enforced on at least one ship, so plan accordingly. That's the purpose of cruise critic (I thought) - to HELP fellow cruisers and to share information. I, for one, am glad she posted. It may help others know to pack according to the rule - rather than according to how things have been done despite the rule.

Sheri, you are a voice of accuracy, logic, and insight - and therefore your post should be removed from this thread.:)

This is an A+ post.