Just canceled 2 2011 and 1 2012 cruises and sold 5600 shares of CCL Stock SMOKING BAN

[Synthetic]

Why haven't you moved out of illinois yet? Do you still allow smoking in your night clubs, or did you cancel them as well?

 

LOL - a comedian... I do live in Ohio though and all of my clubs are SMOKING ALLOWED even though there is a public smoking ban. And all of my clubs are ALWAYS PACKED because my competitors choose to be non-smoking. But thank you for your sarcastic failure at goating...

[gone_cruisin]

I never smoke in my cabin anyway - this is more about the Piano bar and other areas... It was bad enough a few years ago when they banned smoking from the aft lounges...

 

I sympathize with you (to an extent). The piano bar was a smokers haven and always such a lively place. It just got way too smokey for me many times that I had to leave.

 

I look forward to spending more time in the piano bar, but I know it will be at a cost I just won't understand.

 

Now the casino - that makes me scratch my head. :confused:

[LHP]

Not to worry....the OP still has NCL...

 

at least until they follow what has now become the industry standard....

 

(I would have suggested Hal or Costa....but CARNIVAL owns them as well...and since their "conviction" says no Carnival....oh well....)

[nytraveller53]

Well, you sure showed Carnival! I'm sure your boycott will affect their financial status immensely. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

[shwabob]

Yes - I received word from John Heald that this rumor is, in fact, true and will be policy. Too bad - I was looking forward to my next level of Milestone but will now not cruise any of CCL's lines.

 

I remember the debacle and laughing stock that Paradise was in the late 90's then when they painted over the NON-SMOKING signs in 2003.

 

I am in the night club business and Carnival should have learned by the paltry liquor sales aboard Paradise that banning smoking=lower occupancy and far lower alcohol sales. Oh well.

 

Not my problem anymore - shame on you Carnival... You had a good thing going and are now trying to be everything to everyone and that isn't why I cruised your line.

 

[and yes, I did cancel my Seabourn cruise as well. Why cruise with a company that makes ignorant decisions?]

 

Peace out, homie! Good luck trying to find a line that's less restrictive. RCI and it's lines are far more restrictive from what I've seen.

 

Given that I recently watched my grandfather die due to the effects of a lifetime of pack-a-day smoking, I have little sympathy for smokers - including my own mother. Your habit is killing you slowly and causing my health care costs to skyrocket, so give it up already. The least you can do is not endanger my health with the toxic smoke you enjoy filtering through your lungs. Get an e-cig, have a few drinks, and stop whining.

[melli_fera]

Yes - I received word from John Heald that this rumor is, in fact, true and will be policy. Too bad - I was looking forward to my next level of Milestone but will now not cruise any of CCL's lines.

 

I remember the debacle and laughing stock that Paradise was in the late 90's then when they painted over the NON-SMOKING signs in 2003. That ship was entirely non-smoking...this doesn't apply to this new policy

 

I am in the night club business and Carnival should have learned by the paltry liquor sales aboard Paradise that banning smoking=lower occupancy and far lower alcohol sales. Oh well. You can still smoke in night clubs, casinos, outside on deck, on your balcony...just not in your cabin.

Not my problem anymore what problem is there? - shame on you Carnival... You had a good thing going and are now trying to be everything to everyone and that isn't why I cruised your line.

 

[and yes, I did cancel my Seabourn cruise as well. Why cruise with a company that makes ignorant decisions?]

 

See above

[albether7]

WOW!!! At least you make more thought-out decisions, unlike Carnival:rolleyes: I guess you showed them!!

 

It's like... they offended your diety (smoking) with that kind of knee-jerk over-the-edge reaction.:rolleyes:

Say good bye to Half Moon Cay, sense it's your stated favorite port.

Feel better now?:eek::eek:

 

Al

 

Great post, Al...You said it all!

[LHP]

I sympathize with you (to an extent). The piano bar was a smokers haven and always such a lively place. It just got way too smokey for me many times that I had to leave.

 

I look forward to spending more time in the piano bar, but I know it will be at a cost I just won't understand.

 

Now the casino - that makes me scratch my head. :confused:

 

The casino restriction has more to do with poor design.

 

If you will notice the location of the casino on the Carnival ships...there is no way to stop the smoke from transferring into the Promenade area where kids are.

 

On the Fantasy class specifically, there is a real danger of children being burned. I have stopped this from happening on more occasions that I care to think about....

 

the smokers were NOT being irresponsible...they were just sitting and smoking (and holding their cigarettes down by their side between puffs) and the kids were running by...not paying attention to where they were going....

 

the two were simply to close to each other....

[scperk]

Yes - I received word from John Heald that this rumor is, in fact, true and will be policy. Too bad - I was looking forward to my next level of Milestone but will now not cruise any of CCL's lines.

 

I remember the debacle and laughing stock that Paradise was in the late 90's then when they painted over the NON-SMOKING signs in 2003.

 

I am in the night club business and Carnival should have learned by the paltry liquor sales aboard Paradise that banning smoking=lower occupancy and far lower alcohol sales. Oh well.

 

Not my problem anymore - shame on you Carnival... You had a good thing going and are now trying to be everything to everyone and that isn't why I cruised your line.

 

[and yes, I did cancel my Seabourn cruise as well. Why cruise with a company that makes ignorant decisions?]

SEE YAH...my father-in-law died of lung cancer @ 57-Pall Malls and deisel fumes..My little brother died @ 50 of lung cancer-lifetime smoker ..My mother (80) and father (83) can hardly breath and walk at the same time...:(....Dennis

[Blondie008]

Yes - I received word from John Heald that this rumor is, in fact, true and will be policy. Too bad - I was looking forward to my next level of Milestone but will now not cruise any of CCL's lines.

 

I remember the debacle and laughing stock that Paradise was in the late 90's then when they painted over the NON-SMOKING signs in 2003.

 

I am in the night club business and Carnival should have learned by the paltry liquor sales aboard Paradise that banning smoking=lower occupancy and far lower alcohol sales. Oh well.

 

Not my problem anymore - shame on you Carnival... You had a good thing going and are now trying to be everything to everyone and that isn't why I cruised your line.

 

[and yes, I did cancel my Seabourn cruise as well. Why cruise with a company that makes ignorant decisions?]

 

TOTAL RESPECT to you man!

Take my hat off to you, give you my hand!

Here in Scotland, the SLA are now trying to push a law bach through the Scottish parliment, to allow smoking back in bars where food is not served, children are not permitted, and the pubs are owned privately. MILLIONS of jobs have been lost here, with over 37% of pubs closed down, and others on the road out. Standing up for your principles, whether the next man thinks they are right or wrong..is fabulous!

Lang may yer lum reek! (which means incidentally long may your chimney blow smoke but in other words LONG LIFE!)

x

[Cruise Junky]

Question for the OP, do you intend on giving up cruising? where are you going to go?? NCL?? Whaahhhhaaaaa

[cullensmom]

Yes - I received word from John Heald that this rumor is, in fact, true and will be policy. Too bad - I was looking forward to my next level of Milestone but will now not cruise any of CCL's lines.

 

I remember the debacle and laughing stock that Paradise was in the late 90's then when they painted over the NON-SMOKING signs in 2003.

 

I am in the night club business and Carnival should have learned by the paltry liquor sales aboard Paradise that banning smoking=lower occupancy and far lower alcohol sales. Oh well.

 

Not my problem anymore - shame on you Carnival... You had a good thing going and are now trying to be everything to everyone and that isn't why I cruised your line.

 

[and yes, I did cancel my Seabourn cruise as well. Why cruise with a company that makes ignorant decisions?]

 

Wow! You're sure getting beat up by other posters on here.

 

Like you, I disagree with the new rules. I have occasionally had a smoke in my cabin during past cruises. Carnival staff has always done a great job of freshening the cabins and very few people have ever said that their room reeked of smoke. Even non-smokers admitted that Carnival did a great job getting rid of the smoke smell.

 

As far as balcony smoking, I abolutely love Carnival Ecstasy, but she doesn't have very many balconies. Plus if all of the smokers are on the balconies, the non-smokers are really going to have a cow!

 

It looks like I'm out of cruising for a while too.

[Nemspy]

It was only a matter of time until cruise ships were dragged kicking and screaming into the 21st century with regard to smoking policy. I expect it'll be just a matter of time until balconies are 100% smoke-free also. It's a day for great celebration.

[Goldryder]

Its important not to make kneejerk decisions over future bookings or share dealings. The smoking rules would have changed anyway, as with all rules & legislation, they evolve constantly...for a variety of reasons and despite what some here may think, these changes would not have been made flippantly or with any lack of forethought. CCL knows and understands full well that their decisions will always impact how people perceive them...its a risk that every business must take occasionally. It would be crazy to pull bookings without alot of careful consideration...sleep on the rule changes, weigh up if they will really impact your cruise experience, give them a try on your next cruise...you may well find that they do not impact your cruise as much as you fear they will...until you try it, you cannot truly comment or have an opinion that is not a kneejerk opinion. No-one likes change, but things must always change...its a fact of life, like it or not, but it would be a great shame for people to drop CCL without trying to adapt (if any adaption is needed) to the new rules and if you cruise and its not for you, then you can make an educated decision, not a decision based on what might be.

[happy cruzin]

I never smoke in my cabin anyway - this is more about the Piano bar and other areas... It was bad enough a few years ago when they banned smoking from the aft lounges...

 

But didn't the piano bar - and some other areas - go smoke-free way before this announcement today....at least on the Dream and now the Magic??

So it looks to me like Carnival was headed in this direction since the launch of the Dream.....

[ripjerry95]

NCL allows you to smoke in your cabin..and in the casino..However everywhere else in outdoors only..I smoke and think the casino STINKS and I would not smoke in cabin anyway..I smoked in the cabin on our NCL cruise just one time out of the whole week..I think smoking inside is not good..I would NEVER cancel my trip because you cannot smoke..Just smoke outdoors

[travelplanner4thefamily]

I'm so glad I gave up smoking and went to e-cig. They aer assume and can be smoked anywhere. Rumor is they may try to ban them some days(airliners have) but because they don't smell who's going to notice if vape in the room anways. I know don't have to ask for a room close to an exit in a hotel or a balcony room in hotel or cruise. I can go anywhere. Great with the non-smoking bans

[samrothstein]

LOL - a comedian... I do live in Ohio though and all of my clubs are SMOKING ALLOWED even though there is a public smoking ban. And all of my clubs are ALWAYS PACKED because my competitors choose to be non-smoking. But thank you for your sarcastic failure at goating...

 

Good job changing your location from moline, il to Ohio. Glad i got caught "failing".

Having been in the "club scene" in Chicago before and after the smoking ban took effect, I can tell you that it hasn't slowed down because of it. 90% of the patrons are happy they don't go home smelling like an ashtray, and 10 or 15 smokers stand outside and deal with it, like adults.

 

Tell me, do you also refuse to fly because of this smoking ban? How about shop in stores? Go to the movies?

Have a nice knee-jerk reaction of a life.

[Synthetic]

Well, oddly enough, my actions elicited almost the same reaction here as they did on John Heald's FB page. Allow me to explain my actions (since some of you deemed them 'extreme'):

 

1. My decision to sell my shares is based on the fact that they will go down once this circulates the markets. I find it funny that this became public just 2 days after the 2Q11 predictions of business being lower. I just wish they would have done this in January when the stock price was $48/share. This policy change is a BAD business decision and my decision to sell my stocks now is to save from losing even more money.

 

2. Canceling all 3 cruise (1 Carnival and 1 Seabourn in 2011 and another Carnival in 2012) is simply a matter of personal choice. Why should I spend roughly 1/4 of my personal income per year vacationing with a company that does not provide what I need to enjoy myself? I prefer a cigarette while being entertained after dinner. I did not make this decision lightly, as I am already Milestone with Carnival and will have to start from scratch with any other line.

 

3. As you read this thread, pay special attention to the chalky personal attacks from people who do not share my opinion. I do enjoy the internet, as the anonymity here brings out the best and worst in some people...

 

For the record - there are at least 3 cruise lines that have liberal smoking policies... They can have my money...

[zenful6219]

Yes - I received word from John Heald that this rumor is, in fact, true and will be policy. Too bad - I was looking forward to my next level of Milestone but will now not cruise any of CCL's lines.

 

I remember the debacle and laughing stock that Paradise was in the late 90's then when they painted over the NON-SMOKING signs in 2003.

 

I am in the night club business and Carnival should have learned by the paltry liquor sales aboard Paradise that banning smoking=lower occupancy and far lower alcohol sales. Oh well.

 

Not my problem anymore - shame on you Carnival... You had a good thing going and are now trying to be everything to everyone and that isn't why I cruised your line.

 

[and yes, I did cancel my Seabourn cruise as well. Why cruise with a company that makes ignorant decisions?]

 

You seem to be overreacting about their new smoking policy. Is it possible you are letting your nicotine addiction do the thinking?

 

You don't pay Carnival or any cruise line enough to cover the damage your tobacco smoke inflicts on a cabin's fixtures and furnishings. You don't pay enough fare and do NOT have the right to inflict harm on future guests who might stay in the cabin after you. No amount of deodorizer can remove the thousands of deadly chemicals found in tobacco.

 

Perhaps, you should stop letting the nicotine rule your head and be happy that you can still smoke on your balcony or in the casino and bars.

[albether7]

"...1/4 of my personal income per year..."???

 

Yeah right...You'll be back, quietly, tail between your legs.

 

But I'm guessing this isn't the first decision you made driven by anger and

realizing it later:cool:

 

Al...

 

"Say NO to lung cancer!"

[bookcreator]

Yes - I received word from John Heald that this rumor is, in fact, true and will be policy. Too bad - I was looking forward to my next level of Milestone but will now not cruise any of CCL's lines.

 

I remember the debacle and laughing stock that Paradise was in the late 90's then when they painted over the NON-SMOKING signs in 2003.

 

I am in the night club business and Carnival should have learned by the paltry liquor sales aboard Paradise that banning smoking=lower occupancy and far lower alcohol sales. Oh well.

 

Not my problem anymore - shame on you Carnival... You had a good thing going and are now trying to be everything to everyone and that isn't why I cruised your line.

 

[and yes, I did cancel my Seabourn cruise as well. Why cruise with a company that makes ignorant decisions?]

 

That could be quite a tax burden 5600 shares depending on when you bought them and what the capital gains were........I doubt you hurt Carnival's bottom line, but dumping 5600 shares at once probably has the IRS smiling...

[gregg204]

Yes - I received word from John Heald that this rumor is, in fact, true and will be policy. Too bad - I was looking forward to my next level of Milestone but will now not cruise any of CCL's lines.

 

I remember the debacle and laughing stock that Paradise was in the late 90's then when they painted over the NON-SMOKING signs in 2003.

 

I am in the night club business and Carnival should have learned by the paltry liquor sales aboard Paradise that banning smoking=lower occupancy and far lower alcohol sales. Oh well.

 

Not my problem anymore - shame on you Carnival... You had a good thing going and are now trying to be everything to everyone and that isn't why I cruised your line.

 

No problem...10 non smokers just booked for your 1 smoking cancellation. I'm sure carnival can live with that.

[gone_cruisin]

You seem to be overreacting about their new smoking policy. Is it possible you are letting your nicotine addiction do the thinking?

 

You don't pay Carnival or any cruise line enough to cover the damage your tobacco smoke inflicts on a cabin's fixtures and furnishings. You don't pay enough fare and do NOT have the right to inflict harm on future guests who might stay in the cabin after you. No amount of deodorizer can remove the thousands of deadly chemicals found in tobacco.

 

Perhaps, you should stop letting the nicotine rule your head and be happy that you can still smoke on your balcony or in the casino and bars.

 

:rolleyes:

 

that's all I'm going to say

 

:rolleyes:

[truchattycathy]

Ok if OP cancelled two cruises in 2011, and the ban does not take effect until Dec. 1, 2011, he had two cruises booked in December? Otherwise, my PVP says you can't cancel, unless your cruise is after Dec. 1, 2011. Am I confused?