NCL's new non smoking police....$250.00 fine

[che5904]

I seriously hope this doesn't draw anyone's ire, but I'm tired of hearing about smokers' rights. They always say, "what about my rights"?

 

Your rights end where mine begin. Within my 3 feet of personal space.

 

Some of us actually have allergies and it is no fun walking around with a surgical face mask and/or an inhaler for those who have no qualms about lighting up anywhere and anytime they can.

 

Just MHO.

 

Sorry to hear of all your medical woes. And if you own a cruise line you are more than welcome to set whatever policies that you wish.

 

I too have allergies to many things but I still believe you have the right to wear whatever perfume, use any form of soap, shampoo, deoderant and any other scented product you so choose, regardless to how it affects me as they are all legal (the same as cigarettes). I just have to learn how to avoid exposure to you as much as possible.

 

So truthfully IMHO I don't believe it is a case of smoker's rights vs non-smokers rights. It is in fact the person's right to do what is legal and not against some company's rules/policies or not anyone's right to try and change or manipulate that company to suit your own issues.

[che5904]

I smoked a pack-a-day for 20+ years.....and I understand the concept of "smoker's rights".

 

However, I quit cold-turkey 11+ years ago, and I understand that it's hogwash. :)

 

There is no "right" to smoke where you wish. You are (currently) free to smoke, in designated areas...which may change from time-to-time.

 

Sorry, smoker friends. I guess we can't always think alike. :)

 

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LOL I think i agree with most of what you said, except I'm not sure what part you are saying is hogwash, unless you are referring to rights. As I said in my post above I don't think it is a matter of anyone's rights smokers or no smokers. I think it is a matter of company rights to designate what they wish to without everyone wanting to change it/fight it/ or b**** about it. If you don't like what a company sets out, fight it with your dollars and go to the competitor.

[palmyrafan]

Sorry to hear of all your medical woes. And if you own a cruise line you are more than welcome to set whatever policies that you wish.

 

I too have allergies to many things but I still believe you have the right to wear whatever perfume, use any form of soap, shampoo, deoderant and any other scented product you so choose, regardless to how it affects me as they are all legal (the same as cigarettes). I just have to learn how to avoid exposure to you as much as possible.

 

So truthfully IMHO I don't believe it is a case of smoker's rights vs non-smokers rights. It is in fact the person's right to do what is legal and not against some company's rules/policies or not anyone's right to try and change or manipulate that company to suit your own issues.

 

I have asthma because I grew up in a household where my mother smoked 2 packs a day and didn't have any qualms about doing it in the house, the car, anywhere and anytime. She now has emphesyma (sp?) and wonders how she got it and all 4 of her kids have sinus issues, bronchitis and asthma and our personal physicians have said it is likely due to the 2nd hand smoke we encountered growing up.

 

So you will excuse me for being a bit concerned about my asthma. I'm tired of hearing about how smokers' rights are more important than non smokers' rights. I think they are both important. I'm just tired of having it shoved down my throat and having people say to me, "don't like it move somewhere else". I have just as much right as a smoker to enjoy my cruise as they do, smokefree.

[Barb Nahoumi]

There is also the issue of safety. A accidentally dropped cigarette ash can ignite bedding, carpeting or upholstering.

 

For this reason, I'm glad that NCL established this rule.

 

As a former smoker, I understand how people feel.

[vols_159]

For the possible $250 fine I would make sure I shut the door! I shall have to revert to cigarettes as my smoke of choice (small cigars) are no longer allowed on the balcony :(

 

I suspect they might warn for a 1st offence and then fine for persistent offenders. I do not intend to find out - I would rather use $250 for Martinis/Casino/Le Bistro etc..

 

 

Never understand why the ban cigars and not cigaretters.. Cigars smell better than cigarettes

[vols_159]

I have a great Ideal.. btw im a non smoker.. 1/2 the rooms smoke free on each side of the ship.. If you choose to book a room thats in the smoking side "its your own da*n fault.. Or you could go by decks.. Been on 3 cruises only place smoking has been overwealing was in the casino.. Never noticed it being a problem on my balcony... Just me some people just fuss about something they dont understand.. Inless im trapped in a car with a smoker i have no complaints..

[larry_s_taco]

This is exactly the reason I'm glad to see the smoking ban in the cabins. Back in the day when I was an apartment dweller I worried about the same thing (it comes from knowing your neighbors). Who would start a mattress fire while I was sleeping. I also shy from condos for this reason. At least with a land based fire you have a chance of walking away. I'm not really that strong of a swimmer.

There is also the issue of safety. A accidentally dropped cigarette ash can ignite bedding, carpeting or upholstering.

 

For this reason, I'm glad that NCL established this rule.

 

As a former smoker, I understand how people feel.

[SissasMomE]

They need to make the balconies non-smoking, too. I don't want that garbage drifting in to my room from a neighbor's balcony.

[vols_159]

They need to make the balconies non-smoking, too. I don't want that garbage drifting in to my room from a neighbor's balcony.

 

 

Non smokers are worse than smokers fighting for what they beleive in.. Im a non smoker too but could care less what happens out on the balcony in the middle of the big ocean with all the winds/ current sea breeze ect... Would it really bother you if a fellow paxs 2 doors down lit up.. prolly would never know.. if so how long does it take to smoke a cig? 5 minutes? Yes smoking inside is a fire risk... I see nothing wrong with out in the open...

[softsands]

Sorry to hear of all your medical woes. And if you own a cruise line you are more than welcome to set whatever policies that you wish.

 

I too have allergies to many things but I still believe you have the right to wear whatever perfume, use any form of soap, shampoo, deoderant and any other scented product you so choose, regardless to how it affects me as they are all legal (the same as cigarettes). I just have to learn how to avoid exposure to you as much as possible.

 

So truthfully IMHO I don't believe it is a case of smoker's rights vs non-smokers rights. It is in fact the person's right to do what is legal and not against some company's rules/policies or not anyone's right to try and change or manipulate that company to suit your own issues.

 

Rubbish.

[SissasMomE]

Non smokers are worse than smokers fighting for what they beleive in.. Im a non smoker too but could care less what happens out on the balcony in the middle of the big ocean with all the winds/ current sea breeze ect... Would it really bother you if a fellow paxs 2 doors down lit up.. prolly would never know.. if so how long does it take to smoke a cig? 5 minutes? Yes smoking inside is a fire risk... I see nothing wrong with out in the open...

 

It never fails - I am always next to a smoker, and they are always out on their balcony smoking late at night. It definitely comes in to my cabin. :rolleyes:

[SissasMomE]

Rubbish.

 

Yup ;)

[SissasMomE]

There is also the issue of safety. A accidentally dropped cigarette ash can ignite bedding, carpeting or upholstering.

 

For this reason, I'm glad that NCL established this rule.

 

As a former smoker, I understand how people feel.

 

That and a cigarette being thrown overboard can most definitely go right back into someone's room. Can't you smoke in the cigar bars?

[SissasMomE]

I am an ex-smoker, so get that you like to have a cigarette while still in pajamas, but I walked by an inside cabin door last week, and ended up smelling like an ashtray.

 

No one gets how bad places and people smell until they stop smoking, there's no tricking anyone. A tiny bit of smoke blowing in from a balcony would not cause a fine. If you are standing by the balcony door and blowing the smoke outside because it's raining or because you don't feel like stepping onto the balcony, that will still stink up the place enough that they will know it.

 

If they knew how bad their breath was, they'd quit! And as an ex-smoker, I am entitled to say that! Even when I did smoke, I never liked the smell .... didn't care for smokey bars, etc. You are right, though ... there is no tricking anyone. Breath mints, washing your hands, perfume .... it doesn't cover the smell.

[shepherdqueen]

I have asthma because I grew up in a household where my mother smoked 2 packs a day and didn't have any qualms about doing it in the house, the car, anywhere and anytime. She now has emphesyma (sp?) and wonders how she got it and all 4 of her kids have sinus issues, bronchitis and asthma and our personal physicians have said it is likely due to the 2nd hand smoke we encountered growing up.

 

So you will excuse me for being a bit concerned about my asthma. I'm tired of hearing about how smokers' rights are more important than non smokers' rights. I think they are both important. I'm just tired of having it shoved down my throat and having people say to me, "don't like it move somewhere else". I have just as much right as a smoker to enjoy my cruise as they do, smokefree.

 

palmyrafan - sounds like you grew up with my mom - she too now can't walk, or talk and breathe and I too have developed asthma thanks to her heavy (and I mean HEAVY) smoking and the "I only care about me and my ciggy, no one else matters" attitude.

 

I am almost regretting we splurged on the balcony cabin - I hope we don't regret this...

[donaldsc]

I am sure this will start a heated discussion.

 

You have to book a balcony in order to be able to smoke ( I know you have to smoke on the balcony, not in the cabin).

 

If you smoke in your cabin you will be fined $250.00. Is this per day or for the whole cruise?

 

If you normally book an inside cabin, upgrading to a balcony would cost you at least $700.00 more ( for 2 people). What if you smoked in your inside cabin. You would be fined $250.00.

 

This would be a lot cheaper than booking a balcony just in order to smoke.

 

Has anyone smoked in a cabin and been fined since the new rules???????

 

$250 is not a high enough fine. If you violate the smoking rules, they should kick you off the ship at the next port.

 

DON

[donaldsc]

Never understand why the ban cigars and not cigaretters.. Cigars smell better than cigarettes

 

You are kidding. You must be. You can't be serious. Cigars smell worse than anything on earth.

 

DON

[NeilD]

I have asthma because I grew up in a household where my mother smoked 2 packs a day and didn't have any qualms about doing it in the house, the car, anywhere and anytime. She now has emphesyma (sp?) and wonders how she got it and all 4 of her kids have sinus issues, bronchitis and asthma and our personal physicians have said it is likely due to the 2nd hand smoke we encountered growing up.

 

So you will excuse me for being a bit concerned about my asthma. I'm tired of hearing about how smokers' rights are more important than non smokers' rights. I think they are both important. I'm just tired of having it shoved down my throat and having people say to me, "don't like it move somewhere else". I have just as much right as a smoker to enjoy my cruise as they do, smokefree.

 

If it were smoke free, smokers would have NO rights....

[NeilD]

That and a cigarette being thrown overboard can most definitely go right back into someone's room. Can't you smoke in the cigar bars?

 

Really???

[spunkyhungry]

Smokers shouldn't have any rights because they are poisoning the air around them, forcing other people in the area to inhale the toxins. Smoking is disgusting, and I'm glad the cruise lines are enforcing stricter no smoking policies.

[cooki801]

Looks like the OP got what they wanted and that is a big ole fight between smokers and those who aren't.

I try to be very tolerant of those who choose to smoke but I am glad that many public spaces are now smoke free. I kind of feel sorry for those who feel ostrisized by society by smoking but times have changed and those are the new realities and you just have to deal.

I guess that is one good thing about being too cheap to pay for a balcony! LOL No smoking coming in my window:p

[dutchess43]

I know that smokers are allowed to smoke in the casino when we were on the jewel last month unfortunately we had to walk through it coming from dinner a lot of the nights. We hurried as much as possible to get through the cloud of smoke I was most concerned for my 4 year old GS breathing in all that second hand smoke. What I most object to is allowing smoking on the balconies. We had a balcony & at times could not enjoy it due to the heavy smoking from our neighbor next to us. I also paid for a balcony to use not for second hand smoke & to close our door & sit inside. I wish that NCL would make one side of the ship for smokers & no smoking on the balconies.

[SteveH2508]

That and a cigarette being thrown overboard can most definitely go right back into someone's room. Can't you smoke in the cigar bars?

 

Not all of the ships have cigar bars (at least not ones that you can smoke in:confused:)

[che5904]

I know that smokers are allowed to smoke in the casino when we were on the jewel last month unfortunately we had to walk through it coming from dinner a lot of the nights. We hurried as much as possible to get through the cloud of smoke I was most concerned for my 4 year old GS breathing in all that second hand smoke..

 

Isn't the Jewel like most of the other ships where you can just take the elevator or steps right outside the MDR to deck 7 to avoid walking through the casino.

[RNPJN]

Isn't the Jewel like most of the other ships where you can just take the elevator or steps right outside the MDR to deck 7 to avoid walking through the casino.

Yes the middle stairs and elevators are right out side the door of the rest. . The casino on jewel class ships is at the front of the ship .