NCL's new non smoking police....$250.00 fine

[jolgro]

Smokers shouldn't have any rights because they are poisoning the air around them, forcing other people in the area to inhale the toxins. Smoking is disgusting, and I'm glad the cruise lines are enforcing stricter no smoking policies.

I as an asthma patient should agree with you, but I don,t go all the way with you. It,s a fact that someone invented the cigarette and people startet to like it. Than somewere down the line they discovered you can get cancer off it and smokers are

sometimes treated like lepred people (is that the right word)

 

Now in my country now and than someone trie to start a disdussion over " fat taxes" So you should pay more for a big mac that an apple. Now I am a person with a little to much weight. And don,t wanna think that over 10 years or so policy about food has changed and I am not allowed to go into Gagney,s because I am to fat.

And yes smoking is bad for you and you can die from it. But much more people in the rich country,s dies because of overweight. Are we the next groupe to be banned?

Now you can say that you have no choice that you are forced to breath in the smoke someone else blow in the air and it is totaly different from chosing what to eat.

Thats tru. But the goverment makes policys to trie to make smoking almost impossible. Next group will be the people like me with overweight.

 

My point is; it,s everyones choice. Every time I say to my DH he should stop smoking because he can get longcancer, he say,s to me not eat that peace of pie because I can get a heartattack. And you know, he,s right. Let,s respect each other in stead of saying their way of living is disgusted.

Sorry for taking the discussion another way.

[sparks1093]

That and a cigarette being thrown overboard can most definitely go right back into someone's room. Can't you smoke in the cigar bars?

 

Throwing something over the side is a big no no of course.

 

$250 is not a high enough fine. If you violate the smoking rules, they should kick you off the ship at the next port.

 

DON

 

But Don, that's your answer for everything;).

 

Smokers shouldn't have any rights because they are poisoning the air around them, forcing other people in the area to inhale the toxins. Smoking is disgusting, and I'm glad the cruise lines are enforcing stricter no smoking policies.

 

Smoking tobacco is a legal act and smokers' needs must be accomodated, whether anyone likes it or not. That means they have rights.

[Cmdr Cody]

Really???

 

 

Yes really, read this

 

http://www.cruiseshipfires.com/Fires/Star_Princess_Fire_March_23_2006.html

 

On March 23, 2006 around 0300 hours, with 2,600 passengers and a crew of 1,150 aboard, fire broke out on Princess Cruies' Star Princess, injuring dozens and killing one.

Star Princess had left Fort Lauderdale, Florida on March 19, and was en route from Grand Cayman to Jamaica when the blaze started, with about 150 cabins damaged before crew members extinguished the flames.

There was one reported death and numerous injuries. Richard Liffidge, 72, of Georgia, collapsed and died on deck. It differs from the cruise line story of his death.

Two passengers suffered significant smoke inhalation injuries and nine other had minor complications.

Klemens Fass of Toronto, Canada, said that after he and his wife were evacuated with other some passengers , there was someone lying in the hallway passed out. He was being attended to, but it was very, very scary.

The crew put out the fire, then did a cabin-by-cabin search to check for victims and make sure everyone else was safe

Two people were hospitalized in Montego Bay and two other were being treated in the ship’s clinic.

Early reports said the fire apparently started on a cabin balcony. A smoldering cigarette was suspected of causing the fire.

550 passengers with cabins damaged were moved to two hotels in the nearby resort towns of Negril and Ocho Rios. The cruise ship company was arranging to fly other passengers home. 70 cabins had some fire damage, others had water damage from extinguishing the fire. The starboard side of the ship, which faced dockside, showed no damage.

The ship wasn’t seriously damaged, was sea worthy and would sail back to Fort Lauderdale the next day.

The Coast Guard said cabins from decks nine through 12 were affected.

The Star Princess docked in Montego Bay, Jamaica, at about 11:30 a.m. ET. No smoke was seen coming from the vessel as rescue personnel boarded. All passengers remained on the ship.

One passenger onboad, a news reporter, said that people were eating and even sunbathing after the fire.

Investigators into the fire, have released their final report as to the cause of the fire. A cigarette butt has been blamed for the fire. Maritime safety authorities conclude that the fire spread quickly because of its location on a balcony where plastic partitions fed the flames

Due to the location where the fire began, on a passenger balcony, it is highly likely a passenger is to blame for the fire.

It is also highly likely that passenger knows they started the fire, yet nobody has come forward to take the blame.

So you're right. Smokers aren't the problem are they?

Was this caused by you?

[sadiecat]

This thread needs to be closed. There is nothing to be gained here. The majority of non smokers just can not be happy with the new restricted rules and still insist on finding fault and it is getting too old hearing about it from them. I know there are those thinking don't read it if you don't want to, but curiosity gets the better of me. I can recall many other odors worse than cigarette smoke, people passing gas in the elevators comes to mind as a big pet peeve, too much perfume to the point you actually do gag. I've never gagged on cigarette smoke. There really isn't anything new here and to those of you thinking don't read it I probably won't now, just wanted to give my two cents worth like everyone else and it is my right to do so.

[che5904]

Yes really, read this

 

On March 23, 2006 around 0300 hours, with 2,600 passengers and a crew of 1,150 aboard, fire broke out on Princess Cruies' Star Princess, injuring dozens and killing one.

 

Star Princess had left Fort Lauderdale, Florida on March 19, and was en route from Grand Cayman to Jamaica when the blaze started, with about 150 cabins damaged before crew members extinguished the flames.

 

There was one reported death and numerous injuries. Richard Liffidge, 72, of Georgia, collapsed and died on deck. It differs from the cruise line story of his death.

 

 

Two passengers suffered significant smoke inhalation injuries and nine other had minor complications.

 

Klemens Fass of Toronto, Canada, said that after he and his wife were evacuated with other some passengers , there was someone lying in the hallway passed out. He was being attended to, but it was very, very scary.

 

The crew put out the fire, then did a cabin-by-cabin search to check for victims and make sure everyone else was safe

 

Two people were hospitalized in Montego Bay and two other were being treated in the ship’s clinic.

 

Early reports said the fire apparently started on a cabin balcony. A smoldering cigarette was suspected of causing the fire.

 

 

550 passengers with cabins damaged were moved to two hotels in the nearby resort towns of Negril and Ocho Rios. The cruise ship company was arranging to fly other passengers home. 70 cabins had some fire damage, others had water damage from extinguishing the fire. The starboard side of the ship, which faced dockside, showed no damage.

 

The ship wasn’t seriously damaged, was sea worthy and would sail back to Fort Lauderdale the next day.

 

The Coast Guard said cabins from decks nine through 12 were affected.

 

The Star Princess docked in Montego Bay, Jamaica, at about 11:30 a.m. ET. No smoke was seen coming from the vessel as rescue personnel boarded. All passengers remained on the ship.

 

One passenger onboad, a news reporter, said that people were eating and even sunbathing after the fire.

 

Investigators into the fire, have released their final report as to the cause of the fire. A cigarette butt has been blamed for the fire. Maritime safety authorities conclude that the fire spread quickly because of its location on a balcony where plastic partitions fed the flames

 

Due to the location where the fire began, on a passenger balcony, it is highly likely a passenger is to blame for the fire.

 

It is also highly likely that passenger knows they started the fire, yet nobody has come forward to take the blame.

 

So you're right. Smokers aren't the problem are they?

 

Was this caused by you?

 

It's amazing how many times this one fire comes up on a smoking thread. Read the article, it says "suspected" not proven. Now it is a strong possibility that this is what happened, I will agree to that. Although there have been a ton more fires that have started in the engine room and so far they haven't found a way to run the ship without engines, so I guess we'll all have to live with that risk if we choose to cruise.

 

But even if this suspected cause is to blame it is not relavent to the quote that your were responding to, which was "That and a cigarette being thrown overboard can most definitely go right back into someone's room"

[RNPJN]

This thread needs to be closed. There is nothing to be gained here. The majority of non smokers just can not be happy with the new restricted rules and still insist on finding fault and it is getting too old hearing about it from them. I know there are those thinking don't read it if you don't want to, but curiosity gets the better of me. I can recall many other odors worse than cigarette smoke, people passing gas in the elevators comes to mind as a big pet peeve, too much perfume to the point you actually do gag. I've never gagged on cigarette smoke. There really isn't anything new here and to those of you thinking don't read it I probably won't now, just wanted to give my two cents worth like everyone else and it is my right to do so.

people passing gas in the elevators and too much perfume won't kill you:cool:

[che5904]

people passing gas in the elevators and too much perfume won't kill you:cool:

 

I don't know about that, you obviously have not been in an enclosed space with my DH when he lets go :eek: ;)

 

Now on a more serious note. Too much perfume could actually kill someone depending on their reaction to that particular fragrance. It could cause a serious asthma attack.

 

"Asthma and allergies are very real medical conditions that affect many people of all ages. These conditions can be triggered by a wide variety of environmental factors. With asthma, medical research shows that the list of irritants that can potentially trigger an attack includes more than 200 agents, such as animal and insect allergens, house dust mites, cigarette smoke, air pollution, respiratory or sinus infections, various odours, and even everyday odours, including some fragrances, stress, etc. Allergic reactions are also caused by a large number of factors."

[sparks1093]

I don't know about that, you obviously have not been in an enclosed space with my DH when he lets go :eek: ;)

 

Now on a more serious note. Too much perfume could actually kill someone depending on their reaction to that particular fragrance. It could cause a serious asthma attack.

 

"Asthma and allergies are very real medical conditions that affect many people of all ages. These conditions can be triggered by a wide variety of environmental factors. With asthma, medical research shows that the list of irritants that can potentially trigger an attack includes more than 200 agents, such as animal and insect allergens, house dust mites, cigarette smoke, air pollution, respiratory or sinus infections, various odours, and even everyday odours, including some fragrances, stress, etc. Allergic reactions are also caused by a large number of factors."

 

DW's lungs close up tight when someone wearing Axe enters the room (in addition to other strong perfumes).

[SissasMomE]

Really???

 

Yup

[che5904]

DW's lungs close up tight when someone wearing Axe enters the room (in addition to other strong perfumes).

 

With my mother, it used to be anything musk. I really don't know which type of perfume affects me, I've never investigated that far to ask people what they are wearing. I just avoid scents as much as possible because it does not affect me as bad as it did my mother. If I am in the casino and someone sits beside me that has appear to bath in their scents, I just get up and move to another location. The actual thing that affects me the most is vehicle exhaust. Therefore I've chosen to live in the country and only go to a larger city if I have to, as opposed to asking the government to ban cars.

[SissasMomE]

Smokers shouldn't have any rights because they are poisoning the air around them, forcing other people in the area to inhale the toxins. Smoking is disgusting, and I'm glad the cruise lines are enforcing stricter no smoking policies.

 

Agreed. Welcome to CC :rolleyes:

[Cmdr Cody]

It's amazing how many times this one fire comes up on a smoking thread. Read the article, it says "suspected" not proven. Now it is a strong possibility that this is what happened, I will agree to that. Although there have been a ton more fires that have started in the engine room and so far they haven't found a way to run the ship without engines, so I guess we'll all have to live with that risk if we choose to cruise.

 

But even if this suspected cause is to blame it is not relavent to the quote that your were responding to, which was "That and a cigarette being thrown overboard can most definitely go right back into someone's room"

 

My respsonse was to the silly "really?" response to the post you quote. That response along with others from the same poster say it's not possible, I'm just saying it is.

Saying it can't shows a level of ignorance, doesn't it. As a former Naval officer one of the biggest concerns is on a ship onboard fire. It's scary the number of times a "butt can" was found smoldering because the cigerettes in it weren't properly extinquished. I don't give one rats a$$ who smokes, they need to be responsible it they do. How many times have you seen a butt tossed out a window of a moving car at night still glowing? I've seen plenty and with just a little bad luck a brush fire can occur. But the smoker in the car is oblivious to it all.

I don't care who smokes, but they don't have the right to risk "MY' life with fire.

Post Script to this, I received a meritorious service medal for entering a burning apartment building to rescue 2 people trapped by a fire, that was caused by a smoker falling asleep on a couch with a lit cigerette. I spent one day in the hospital due ot smoke inhalation. I told people who called me a hero, that I was stupid, because I could have waited for the fire department to arrive 5 minutes later and just been a bystander like everyone else. But I would have always questioned myself for letting these two people die for the rest of my life.

[time2cruise1]

It's amazing how many times this one fire comes up on a smoking thread. Read the article, it says "suspected" not proven. Now it is a strong possibility that this is what happened, I will agree to that. Although there have been a ton more fires that have started in the engine room and so far they haven't found a way to run the ship without engines, so I guess we'll all have to live with that risk if we choose to cruise.

 

But even if this suspected cause is to blame it is not relavent to the quote that your were responding to, which was "That and a cigarette being thrown overboard can most definitely go right back into someone's room"

 

The real issue with that fire was the flammable materials on the balconies. Even if it was a careless cigarette that fire should have never started and certainly never spread. They have modified the materials on the balcony and several other ships.

 

 

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[SissasMomE]

It's amazing how many times this one fire comes up on a smoking thread. Read the article, it says "suspected" not proven. Now it is a strong possibility that this is what happened, I will agree to that. Although there have been a ton more fires that have started in the engine room and so far they haven't found a way to run the ship without engines, so I guess we'll all have to live with that risk if we choose to cruise.

 

But even if this suspected cause is to blame it is not relavent to the quote that your were responding to, which was "That and a cigarette being thrown overboard can most definitely go right back into someone's room"

 

One would need to be pretty ignorant to think that a cigarette thrown overboard of a moving ship cannot be carried back into a cabin via the wind.

[SissasMomE]

My respsonse was to the silly "really?" response to the post you quote. That response along with others from the same poster say it's not possible, I'm just saying it is.

Saying it can't shows a level of ignorance, doesn't it. As a former Naval officer one of the biggest concerns is on a ship onboard fire. It's scary the number of times a "butt can" was found smoldering because the cigerettes in it weren't properly extinquished. I don't give one rats a$$ who smokes, they need to be responsible it they do. How many times have you seen a butt tossed out a window of a moving car at night still glowing? I've seen plenty and with just a little bad luck a brush fire can occur. But the smoker in the car is oblivious to it all.

I don't care who smokes, but they don't have the right to risk "MY' life with fire.

Post Script to this, I received a meritorious service medal for entering a burning apartment building to rescue 2 people trapped by a fire, that was caused by a smoker falling asleep on a couch with a lit cigerette. I spent one day in the hospital due ot smoke inhalation. I told people who called me a hero, that I was stupid, because I could have waited for the fire department to arrive 5 minutes later and just been a bystander like everyone else. But I would have always questioned myself for letting these two people die for the rest of my life.

 

My husband is a paid firefighter, Cody. This happens FAR too often. Hat's off to you as well!!

[che5904]

My respsonse was to the silly "really?" response to the post you quote. That response along with others from the same poster say it's not possible, I'm just saying it is.

Saying it can't shows a level of ignorance, doesn't it. As a former Naval officer one of the biggest concerns is on a ship onboard fire. It's scary the number of times a "butt can" was found smoldering because the cigerettes in it weren't properly extinquished. I don't give one rats a$$ who smokes, they need to be responsible it they do. How many times have you seen a butt tossed out a window of a moving car at night still glowing? I've seen plenty and with just a little bad luck a brush fire can occur. But the smoker in the car is oblivious to it all.

I don't care who smokes, but they don't have the right to risk "MY' life with fire.

.

 

I agree with what you have written. But stupidity comes in all forms. Curling irons/flat irons that some women insist on bringing on can be equally dangerous if the person is stupid and leaves it unattended. It wasn't that long ago there was a thread by someone who didn't like the lighting and was going to over watt the light fixture by taking off the globe and putting in a very large light bulb and claimed to have NCL's approval to do this. A big concern for fire of mine is these power cords everyone brings with them. These power cords/squids/electrical outlet octopus' people bring on board are equally if not worse than the smoker. And here's the reason why. There have been a lot more fires due extention cords/power cords etc than cigarettes. The smoker has to be "stupid" IMO to not be extra vigilant while on a ship in the middle of the ocean, just as those who bring curling or flat irons. Power cords etc doesn't have anything to do with stupidity (unless you knowingly bring an old worn out one on board, or overload it). You can't see what is under the insulation of that cord and it doesn't take much of a short in those to cause a fire.

 

So as you can see there are many fire dangers on a ship, so my point why pick on just the smokers' regarding fire, push the ship lines to not allow curling irons/hot irons, personal electrical appliances and especially power cord type items.

[sparks1093]

My respsonse was to the silly "really?" response to the post you quote. That response along with others from the same poster say it's not possible, I'm just saying it is.

Saying it can't shows a level of ignorance, doesn't it. As a former Naval officer one of the biggest concerns is on a ship onboard fire. It's scary the number of times a "butt can" was found smoldering because the cigerettes in it weren't properly extinquished. I don't give one rats a$$ who smokes, they need to be responsible it they do. How many times have you seen a butt tossed out a window of a moving car at night still glowing? I've seen plenty and with just a little bad luck a brush fire can occur. But the smoker in the car is oblivious to it all.

I don't care who smokes, but they don't have the right to risk "MY' life with fire.

Post Script to this, I received a meritorious service medal for entering a burning apartment building to rescue 2 people trapped by a fire, that was caused by a smoker falling asleep on a couch with a lit cigerette. I spent one day in the hospital due ot smoke inhalation. I told people who called me a hero, that I was stupid, because I could have waited for the fire department to arrive 5 minutes later and just been a bystander like everyone else. But I would have always questioned myself for letting these two people die for the rest of my life.

 

I suppose an unattended cigarette could have started that fire, but my mind is saying "arson". Those old balcony partitions may have burned easy, but not so easy that a cigarette would ignite them. There is not much that's flammable on a balcony. It is conceivable that someone left a beach towel on a table next to the partition and a cigarette fell on the towel, but my mind is still saying "arson". (We went to GQ on the Ike once because we knew there was a fire but no one could locate it, and I imagine this was the situation on the Star Princess- they couldn't find the fire at first which led to it's spreading.)

 

What you did was brave and deserving of recognition- it is the brave that act when others just watch.

[Partyatsea]

Answer here seems fairly simple. Have a non smoking ship. After its success I'm sure the whole fleet will follow.

O wait I think thats been tried.

[gooch47]

I can't believe it would be a one-time charge of $250. That is nothing more than paying a little extra to be allowed to smoke in your cabin.

[SissasMomE]

Answer here seems fairly simple. Have a non smoking ship. After its success I'm sure the whole fleet will follow.

O wait I think thats been tried.

 

Im ok with the designated smoking areas. I just wish they wouldnt allow it on the balcony - OR for once I would have a neighbor that isnt outside smoking on their balcony every 1/2 hour during the night!

[NeilD]

My respsonse was to the silly "really?" response to the post you quote. That response along with others from the same poster say it's not possible, I'm just saying it is.

Saying it can't shows a level of ignorance, doesn't it. As a former Naval officer one of the biggest concerns is on a ship onboard fire. It's scary the number of times a "butt can" was found smoldering because the cigerettes in it weren't properly extinquished. I don't give one rats a$$ who smokes, they need to be responsible it they do. How many times have you seen a butt tossed out a window of a moving car at night still glowing? I've seen plenty and with just a little bad luck a brush fire can occur. But the smoker in the car is oblivious to it all.

I don't care who smokes, but they don't have the right to risk "MY' life with fire.

Post Script to this, I received a meritorious service medal for entering a burning apartment building to rescue 2 people trapped by a fire, that was caused by a smoker falling asleep on a couch with a lit cigerette. I spent one day in the hospital due ot smoke inhalation. I told people who called me a hero, that I was stupid, because I could have waited for the fire department to arrive 5 minutes later and just been a bystander like everyone else. But I would have always questioned myself for letting these two people die for the rest of my life.

 

It was made to sound like all smokers just chuck their butts overboard when they were done. thats where my reply came from...I never posted anything saying it was not possible. You don't have to make things up to prove your point commander.

[SteveH2508]

Im ok with the designated smoking areas. I just wish they wouldnt allow it on the balcony - OR for once I would have a neighbor that isnt outside smoking on their balcony every 1/2 hour during the night!

 

But if your neighbour was allowed to smoke in their cabin they would probably not be outside on the balcony smoking so much. It cuts both ways. Just saying...

[sparks1093]

But if your neighbour was allowed to smoke in their cabin they would probably not be outside on the balcony smoking so much. It cuts both ways. Just saying...

 

I remember my days of smoking and given the choice between smoking in the cabin or on the balcony I'd have chosen the balcony unless the weather was inclement.

[Sheils65]

I have berk a non smoker for a year now. On my last cruise, I smoked in designated areas. Rules apply to everyone but there are always a few that think they are exception to the rules, just because. I personally think it is a safety issue smoking in cabins. Lets face it many of us stumble back to cabins after night of parrying, light up and can pass out, not safe.

[SteveH2508]

I remember my days of smoking and given the choice between smoking in the cabin or on the balcony I'd have chosen the balcony unless the weather was inclement.

 

Me too - I was just illustrating the Law of Unintended Consequences.