NCL's new non smoking police....$250.00 fine

[sdmike]

Wow, I just smoked ten cigarettes while reading this thread......sure hope I didn't get you "smokey" through the internet! I'm amazed you aren't complaining about smoking on the land as you pass or those reeking volcanoes in Hawaii and Italy.

 

As for those of you worried about "allergic reactions" and "life threatening" situations for your children, perhaps better you all stay home in your insulated bubble....surely none of you live in cities, where the pollution is far more dangerous that a vagrant puff of smoke..

 

I am usually a very courteous smoker, but look forward to cruising with some of you, so I can blow smoke right at you when you enter the smoking area waving and coughing. Enough is enough.

 

 

Volcanoes?

 

My issue with smoking is that the smoke is usually thrust upon me without my consent. If I live in a polluted city or pass a volcano in Italy, I have made that choice, not had it thrust upon me. I stay out of smoking areas when I can, and when I can't (like if I want to play in the casino) I try to find a place that minimizes it. I'm not an arm waver or complainer if I choose to be in designated areas for whatever reason. However, If you intentionally blew smoke in my face, smoking area or not, you're probably going to have to swim to the next port (sorry Che, I guess that sounds like a "hot wind" statement :) )

 

Just gotta love smoking threads. Both side are violently correct, with the occasional few taking the middle of the road, live and let live (no pun intended) view.

[swedish weave]

I am usually a very courteous smoker, but look forward to cruising with some of you, so I can blow smoke right at you when you enter the smoking area waving and coughing. Enough is enough.

 

Your reaction is NOT the act of a courteous person -- smoker or not !!!

 

Perhaps you would graciously accept the act of a non-smoker of throwing a glass of water on you to put out the fire--- both the cigarette and you.

 

Neither is acceptable behaviour in a civilized society.

[mesci14]

Princess cruise lines doesn't have smoking? Is this a policy? CHE904 we have had the discussion regarding smoking on these boards before. I have no problem with you smoking as long as it does not infringe upon my rights to enjoy my cruise. You are right, I will choose NOT to sail or waste money on cruises that allow others to infringe upon my rights. You have a right to smoke, BUT YOU DO NOT HAVE a right to force others to breathe your second hand smoke. Therefore in my eyes a reasonable solution is one side smokers and one side nonsmokers OR smoker vs. nonsmoker cruises. LIKE IT OR not the earlier poster is accurate in her statement regarding the impact of smoke on children with health issues. I believe at some point in time, smoking will be banned in ALL public places including cruise lines because of the known health issues imposed upon innocent bystanders. If you would like I can post a million websites and sources that describe the health issues associated with second hand smoke and how dangerous it is...half of them alone would come from the AMA. I am always surprised by the way that SOME nonsmokers become highly aggressive about any mention of separate smoking and nonsmoking areas and feel they can defend it by ridiculous statements about other toxins in our world or suggesting those who want to be smokefree should live in a bubble. Again you have a right to smoke, but I have a right to live smokefree. I will continue to request this of those cruiselines or vacations that I choose to be a patron of.

[mesci14]

Just saw this when looking to find out out about princess cruises:

 

"Our consumer studies now show that smokers are a small minority of our passengers, and that the large majority of passengers value having their primary living space onboard smoke-free," Executive Vice President Jan Swartz said in a statement.

 

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[che5904]

Princess cruise lines doesn't have smoking? Is this a policy? CHE904 we have had the discussion regarding smoking on these boards before. I have no problem with you smoking as long as it does not infringe upon my rights to enjoy my cruise. You are right, I will choose NOT to sail or waste money on cruises that allow others to infringe upon my rights. You have a right to smoke, BUT YOU DO NOT HAVE a right to force others to breathe your second hand smoke. Therefore in my eyes a reasonable solution is one side smokers and one side nonsmokers OR smoker vs. nonsmoker cruises. LIKE IT OR not the earlier poster is accurate in her statement regarding the impact of smoke on children with health issues. I believe at some point in time, smoking will be banned in ALL public places including cruise lines because of the known health issues imposed upon innocent bystanders. If you would like I can post a million websites and sources that describe the health issues associated with second hand smoke and how dangerous it is...half of them alone would come from the AMA. I am always surprised by the way that SOME nonsmokers become highly aggressive about any mention of separate smoking and nonsmoking areas and feel they can defend it by ridiculous statements about other toxins in our world or suggesting those who want to be smokefree should live in a bubble. Again you have a right to smoke, but I have a right to live smokefree. I will continue to request this of those cruiselines or vacations that I choose to be a patron of.

 

All I said to you was that you found a solution to your issue and glad we all have choices in life. I really don't see where that was a bad thing to say or warranted a lecture on what you thought your specifics rights were.

[CrusinCyndi]

Carnival's Paradise was non-smoking for a little while, could not keep it filled with passengers, so now it's not....so looks like non-smoking ships are not the answer either..just sayin

[che5904]

Carnival's Paradise was non-smoking for a little while, could not keep it filled with passengers, so now it's not....so looks like non-smoking ships are not the answer either..just sayin

 

Most of these smoking threads I will come on, only so a smoker’s voice is heard. There are statements like I posted and reposted by someone above stating that “studies now show that smokers are a small minority of our passengers” (who really knows where that “study” came from). The reason that these “studies” and “companies think that their customers want” is because they only hear from the yellers and not from the ones who quietly sit by and accept what they are doing, thinking this will appease the yellers and they will finally leave us alone.

 

I have lived long enough to remember things like

All I want a smoke free work environment – smoker “sounds fair, you have go to work so I can understand that” smoker sits quietly.

All I want a smoke free department store – smoker “sounds fair, they wouldn’t want to buy clothes that smell used” smoker sits quietly.

All I want a smoke free grocery store – smoker “sounds fair, everyone needs groceries”, smoker sits quietly.

All I want a portion of all places where public can go to be no-smoking – smoker “sounds fair to non-smoker, not overly fair to business owners who get the brunt of possible financial repercussions”.

All I want is a larger portion of all places where public can go to be no smoking (reasons above).

All I want is the complete restaurant, bar, casinos or any other place public can go to be no smoking, smokers now start to speak up as they are getting tired of it.

All I want is beaches and parks….

All I want….

 

Now onto your post above. You are right they did try it and it failed. You do have the truthful ones that will come right out and say “we want the whole world no smoking” and some even go as far as wishing smokers would fly to another planet or disappear into thin air. But most just state things like “all we want is smoke free cabins”. When in fact as we can see by the very long thread that most are still not happy with the progress they have made and wish more. So they move on to “all we want is no smoking balconies” or “1/2 side smoking and ½ side no smoking”.

 

History has told us that that will not satisfy the pro-no-smokers, but they are hoping that by taking one small step at a time and smokers staying quiet that they will get their smoke free ship.

 

And then to add insult to injury, we have the ones that think it is socially acceptable to be down right nasty and totally rude to anyone who smokes because somehow they are less than human.

 

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[mommyto2girls]

Most of these smoking threads I will come on, only so a smoker’s voice is heard. There are statements like I posted and reposted by someone above stating that “studies now show that smokers are a small minority of our passengers” (who really knows where that “study” came from). The reason that these “studies” and “companies think that their customers want” is because they only hear from the yellers and not from the ones who quietly sit by and accept what they are doing, thinking this will appease the yellers and they will finally leave us alone.

 

I have lived long enough to remember things like

All I want a smoke free work environment – smoker “sounds fair, you have go to work so I can understand that” smoker sits quietly.

All I want a smoke free department store – smoker “sounds fair, they wouldn’t want to buy clothes that smell used” smoker sits quietly.

All I want a smoke free grocery store – smoker “sounds fair, everyone needs groceries”, smoker sits quietly.

All I want a portion of all places where public can go to be no-smoking – smoker “sounds fair to non-smoker, not overly fair to business owners who get the brunt of possible financial repercussions”.

All I want is a larger portion of all places where public can go to be no smoking (reasons above).

All I want is the complete restaurant, bar, casinos or any other place public can go to be no smoking, smokers now start to speak up as they are getting tired of it.

All I want is beaches and parks….

All I want….

 

Now onto your post above. You are right they did try it and it failed. You do have the truthful ones that will come right out and say “we want the whole world no smoking” and some even go as far as wishing smokers would fly to another planet or disappear into thin air. But most just state things like “all we want is smoke free cabins”. When in fact as we can see by the very long thread that most are still not happy with the progress they have made and wish more. So they move on to “all we want is no smoking balconies” or “1/2 side smoking and ½ side no smoking”.

 

History has told us that that will not satisfy the pro-no-smokers, but they are hoping that by taking one small step at a time and smokers staying quiet that they will get their smoke free ship.

 

And then to add insult to injury, we have the ones that think it is socially acceptable to be down right nasty and totally rude to anyone who smokes because somehow they are less than human.

 

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Well said..thank you.

[MrsNancyG]

And then to add insult to injury, we have the ones that think it is socially acceptable to be down right nasty and totally rude to anyone who smokes because somehow they are less than human.

 

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Very well spoken!

 

I sometimes feel a memo was sent out at some point which made it OK to treat smokers as though they were somehow "less" human because we smoke.

 

Even though I am a smoker, I'm still human enough to comfort your child when they fall down and get hurt until you get there. I'm still human enough to offer someone less capable than myself a seat if needed. I'm still human enough to offer you courtesy and respect as a human being. Wouldn't it be nice if we all just pushed aside this smoking bru-ha-ha and just remembered that we're all -- human -- and equally deserving of being treated with common courtesy, dignity and respect?

[CrusinCyndi]

And then to add insult to injury, we have the ones that think it is socially acceptable to be down right nasty and totally rude to anyone who smokes because somehow they are less than human.

 

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Very well spoken!

 

I sometimes feel a memo was sent out at some point which made it OK to treat smokers as though they were somehow "less" human because we smoke.

 

Even though I am a smoker, I'm still human enough to comfort your child when they fall down and get hurt until you get there. I'm still human enough to offer someone less capable than myself a seat if needed. I'm still human enough to offer you courtesy and respect as a human being. Wouldn't it be nice if we all just pushed aside this smoking bru-ha-ha and just remembered that we're all -- human -- and equally deserving of being treated with common courtesy, dignity and respect?

 

 

 

 

That would be so nice.................

[ColinIllinois]

I understand that smoking is an addiction and it is very hard to quit but for you smokers.......wouldn't you rather someday be a non-smoker??? :confused:

 

Personally, I find that these days MOST smokers are quite considerate of others in their surroundings.

[CrusinCyndi]

I understand that smoking is an addiction and it is very hard to quit but for you smokers.......wouldn't you rather someday be a non-smoker??? :confused:

 

Personally, I find that these days MOST smokers are quite considerate of others in their surroundings.

 

 

I consider myself considerate, unless provoked...smokers and most non-smokers will never agree/get along

[che5904]

I understand that smoking is an addiction and it is very hard to quit but for you smokers.......wouldn't you rather someday be a non-smoker??? :confused:

 

Personally, I find that these days MOST smokers are quite considerate of others in their surroundings.

 

Truthfully? No, as a matter of fact I wouldn't.

 

But that could be because I don't think of myself (as someone wrote above) a victim that "can't control their needs". I am not addicted to nicotine (and for those naysayers, I know this for a fact). I smoke because I choose to, because it is something I find relaxing and for that reason enjoy.

[LAFUNGUY]

It should be clear that NCL has made an economic decision to restrict smoking but still cater to smokers. Their policy is clear and should be easily understood by all. If smoke bothers you to the point that it will ruin your vacation, it seems obvious that a balcony stateroom is not where you should book. There is roughly a 20% chance that a smoker may be on one side or the other of you. Finding another suitable stateroom should be easy enough or choosing alternative cruiselines such as Azmara, Celebrity, Princess, MSC, Oceania, or Princess, which all restrict balcony smoking. There are lots of alternative choices that should make this a non-issue.

If the loss of dollars becomes great enough, NCL will, of course, make an different policy decision in this matter.

[CPT Trips]

I consider myself considerate, unless provoked...smokers and most non-smokers will never agree/get along

 

I don't think you are correct.

 

While I find the effects of someone else smoking noxious, in an environment (like some ships) where where smoking is severely limited, I will not complain about smokers in the designated place. Observations indicate that I am not alone.

 

I will however avoid those locations that permit smoking (think casino). It's also important that the smoking areas, particularly the indoor ones, have good ventilation or physical separation from the non-smoking areas. Absent that, the non-smoking area is about as worthwhile as a non-peeing area in a swimming pool.

 

ETA - If the smoking area adversely affects the non-smoking area, I will tell management . . . but I won't take it out on rule abiding smokers.

[dread_pirate]

Princess cruise lines doesn't have smoking? Is this a policy?

 

Princess has a no-smoking policy in cabins and on balconies. There are smoking areas on the ships.

[CrusinCyndi]

I don't think you are correct.

 

While I find the effects of someone else smoking noxious, in an environment (like some ships) where where smoking is severely limited, I will not complain about smokers in the designated place. Observations indicate that I am not alone.

 

I will however avoid those locations that permit smoking (think casino). It's also important that the smoking areas, particularly the indoor ones, have good ventilation or physical separation from the non-smoking areas. Absent that, the non-smoking area is about as worthwhile as a non-peeing area in a swimming pool.

 

ETA - If the smoking area adversely affects the non-smoking area, I will tell management . . . but I won't take it out on rule abiding smokers.

 

 

Good to know that you think I am not correct

[CostaRicaChica]

Your reaction is NOT the act of a courteous person -- smoker or not !!!

 

Perhaps you would graciously accept the act of a non-smoker of throwing a glass of water on you to put out the fire--- both the cigarette and you.

 

Neither is acceptable behaviour in a civilized society.

 

May I repeat...when you enter the smoking area waving and coughing. Enough is enough.

 

Stay out of my space and I won't smoke in yours. And if you throw water at me in a SMOKING area, you will find yourself at the receiving end of a lawsuit. Smoking is legal, assault with water is not.

 

As for courtesy, you have no idea how extremely polite and sensitive to others I am in real life, so please don't judge me, some folks are such sanctimonious squids...check yourself for tentacles......

[SuiteCruiser]

I think I've just met my very first smoker that doesn't hope one day to be a non-smoker.

 

Lets face it, the reason it's an issue is that smoker's habits affect those around like no other vice. You can drink and be fall down drunk, and the minute I step out of your way, your effect on me is over.

You can be a degenerate gambler and unless you're a close friend or family member, it is your business and does not affect me. You can be a drug user, a robber, and countless other things and your habits do not affect me (unless you're robbing me).

 

With smoking, the issue is once I walk through the smoke, it's with me for the rest of the day until I shower and then the cycle starts again.

 

I was a smoker for almost 20 years and quit because I wanted to have a family and would not smoke during pregnancy or around children. I know what it's like, I know the relaxation it brings, I know how lousy it feels when you want a cigarette and you cannot have one. I know that I wouldn't want to get dressed to go to a smoking lounge on a ship if that was the only option. I know I hated that in airports when they still had them, those lounges were disgusting places. I know this, and I feel for each and every one of you.

 

Sorry for the novel, I'm just trying to explain where it comes from. There are a lot worse things people could do than smoke, but it's the big evil because it affects everyone around you.

[che5904]

I think I've just met my very first smoker that doesn't hope one day to be a non-smoker.

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Then you live a very sheltered life because I know a lot of us that have no intention of quitting nor want to for the same reasons as I quoted.

 

Mind you I would have been a vaporer instead of a smoker if it wasn't for our dear Canadian Gov't. The legal Canadian e-cig (without nicotine) gave me the exact same relaxation as a regular cigarette and I used it for 2 months instead of smoking cigarettes until the dear Canadian border guards held me for 2 hours trying to remove them claiming I was breaking the law.

 

Or the other reason you may not have heard this before is that perhaps very few would openly admit it since most treat us so poorly and it is far easier to claim to be a victim of nicotine than admit you do something that so many people despise.

[dalgirl]

It is NEVER OK to smoke - it is a carcinogenic killer. It is NOT a habit - a habit is always taking the same route to work. Smoking is an addiction even more powerful on the brain than heroin. Except with heroin you aren't killing the person next to you who is not an addict.

 

Smokers and non-smokers will never see eye-to-eye - that is why this post has gotten so big, on a subject that has been talked to death.

 

I grew up with 2 smokers, all of my grand parents, aunts and uncles smoked, and although my DH did not smoke (the only "relative" I picked out, thank you), both of my boys smoked. All have quit, thank the lord.

 

But if you want to smoke on the ship, out on the balcony that you paid for, as your "God given right," then I will stay in my cabin with my balcony tightly shut without enjoying the balcony I paid for, so that you can indulge in your little "habit."

 

Oh, and as my son found out when he quit - you really do stink to the rest of us:rolleyes:

[skyfire53]

I smoked for over 30yrs and and quit about 5yrs ago, and yes, the smoke does some times bother me in the casino only because if you add the smoke to the crowds and the movement of the ship, it can make me a little sick, but I choose to go into the casino were the smoke is....I have been on both sides of issue and feel that the ship is big enough that if smoke is bothering you in one place, you can move if the person doing the smoking is were they are supposed to be...I used to have a sign that I put on my desk facing the guy accross from me...his sign said thank you for not smoking, and mine said thank you for holding your breath while I smoke...the funny part of that was that he may not have smoked cigaretts, but he smoked pot...nothing like the pot calling the kettle black...no pun intended...:rolleyes:

[Legally Blonde]

I agree that smoking can be more irritating to others than most vices, but it certainly is a vice and not a criminal act. As others have mentioned, overbearing perfume and B.O. can be just as offensive. Especially in dining areas.

 

If someone is smoking next to me outside, I walk away. If I'm in a casino where smoking is allowed and I find myself irritated by someone in particular, I either move or politely ask that person to put his/her ashtray on the other side. It's not ideal, but I know it's allowed going in. I can understand the frustration on both sides when it comes to balconies, and think the suggestion of a non-smoking side of the ship is a win-win idea.

 

When that many people are packed onto a ship for a week or more, we are bound to irritate each other in a variety of ways. Name calling doesn't help. Common courtesy and respectful requests sometimes do. Personally, I'm determined to enjoy my first NCL cruise despite the smoke, sweaty armpits, toddler meltdowns, adult meltdowns, chair hogging, seat stealing, buffet touching and undersized clothing wearing of others in uhhhh... 5 days :):cool:

[armwinder]

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Sorry for the novel, I'm just trying to explain where it comes from. There are a lot worse things people could do than smoke, but it's the big evil because it affects everyone around you.

 

 

Interesting point, I never really thought of it that way when I smoked, I did not really care about other folks either, or what they thought. Now I do appreciate a clean environment around me and smoke does spoil the enjoyment at certain times. It is not just the smoke, but the way smokers smell in general, ever had to stand along side one in a confined space or follow one into a doctors office? I know they can't help it but as we age and mature we do tend to take things a little more seriously.

 

We all quit one day!

[mesci14]

All I said to you was that you found a solution to your issue and glad we all have choices in life. I really don't see where that was a bad thing to say or warranted a lecture on what you thought your specifics rights were.

 

 

Actually last year there was a thread about smoking and we have had this discussion before. It was not a lecture but a statement as to my rights. If I was lecturing then I would be telling you what to do to make improvements in your life (as I would my son/child). That I did not do. Although I do believe you had tongue firmly planted in cheek when making your previous comment.:D