NCL's new non smoking police....$250.00 fine

[skyfire53]

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Sorry for the novel, I'm just trying to explain where it comes from. There are a lot worse things people could do than smoke, but it's the big evil because it affects everyone around you.

 

 

Interesting point, I never really thought of it that way when I smoked, I did not really care about other folks either, or what they thought. Now I do appreciate a clean environment around me and smoke does spoil the enjoyment at certain times. It is not just the smoke, but the way smokers smell in general, ever had to stand along side one in a confined space or follow one into a doctors office? I know they can't help it but as we age and mature we do tend to take things a little more seriously.

 

We all quit one day!

 

one thing about it though, I have never seen a person get mean because they have smoked too much, but I have seen plenty of people get mean because they have drunk too much....:eek:

[mesci14]

Then you live a very sheltered life because I know a lot of us that have no intention of quitting nor want to for the same reasons as I quoted.

 

Mind you I would have been a vaporer instead of a smoker if it wasn't for our dear Canadian Gov't. The legal Canadian e-cig (without nicotine) gave me the exact same relaxation as a regular cigarette and I used it for 2 months instead of smoking cigarettes until the dear Canadian border guards held me for 2 hours trying to remove them claiming I was breaking the law.

 

Or the other reason you may not have heard this before is that perhaps very few would openly admit it since most treat us so poorly and it is far easier to claim to be a victim of nicotine than admit you do something that so many people despise.

 

Do you have the data or statistics to support this statement? Your environment may consist primarily of smokers, you seem to have a strong personality and feel extremely strong about liking to smoke...sometimes strong personalities cause others to keep their own opinions to themselves. Therefore perhaps you have led the sheltered life?

 

I typically have a live and let live stance as long as what you do is not harmful to the people around you or infringing upon the basic rights afforded us. If you choose to smoke so be it as long as I do not have to be around it to enjoy what I am entitled to do. The smokers on our last cruise were breaking no rules, but we were unable to enjoy our cabin...we asked to be moved... they were unable to accommodate us...we were very unhappy about this. We did not make any requests of the smokers nor were we rude to them; as a matter of fact we didn't actually see or speak to them because if they were outside they were smoking and therefore we did not use our balcony. I however will continue to voice my opinions on cruise critic, to the cruise lines and do what I can to be able to enjoy the things I like to do in a smokefree environment...just as some feel they need to be "the voice of the smoker."

[che5904]

Do you have the data or statistics to support this statement? Your environment may consist primarily of smokers, you seem to have a strong personality and feel extremely strong about liking to smoke...sometimes strong personalities cause others to keep their own opinions to themselves. Therefore perhaps you have led the sheltered life?

 

Please re-read my post, I actually stated where I was speaking from "I know a lot of us". I didn't say all smokers, nor would I presume that. But further to that, any smoker that is a victim of addiction to nicotine and so wants to quit have lots of options available to them to help them through that "addiction".

 

Yes I have a very strong personality (as I see you do too). I am not ashamed of that and do see it is a wonderful attribute. But no, the people I associate with are not afraid to speak up (but I'm sure they would thank you for your concern), as I surround myself with very strong personalities because that is the type of character trait in someone that I respect. So yes I respect you for your stance on what you believe in and your need to voice it, I just don't happen to agree with it.

[Luckybee]

Here's what I'm not understanding.....a couple of years back dh and I were scheduled to take a Celebrity cruise and after finding out how restricted their smoking policies were, we cancelled and chose a land based vacation(we had thought about quitting, and probably shld, but we both enjoy it so...). This time around we once again considered celebrity (mainly because we love the look of their penthouse suites with the huge outdoor decks and we prefererred the itinerary a bit to the one we chose with NCL). Once again we decided that it probably wasn't a good fit(with the smoking restrictions being a major no go factor). So we've booked with NCL in a DOS. The suite isnt quite as nice as what we were going to book with X and the only suite NCL had comparable is the GV(but thats 3 bdrms...lol) but I think it will work for us....It was actually pretty simple...there seems to be a myriad of ships from the very limited smoking policies of Oceania and X, to those with more open ones. Why wouldnt those who seem to be so violently opposed to smoking potentially affecting them choose a line with more restrictive policies? Doesnt that make more sense ? Perhaps because we take more land based vacations I can't grasp the concept of choosing a cruise line where I'd be taking a balcony cabin constantly having to worry that someone would prevent me from using mine, just as we realized that having a cigarette on our balcony was something that we would want to be able to do. Are people really that attached to one cruise line or another...and if so and one chooses a line without the restrictive policies why in heavens name would they be on here complaining after the fact? As an example...Mesci...did u not know that smoking was allowed on NCL's balcony when you booked the cruise?

[goldmom]

Here's what I'm not understanding.....a couple of years back dh and I were scheduled to take a Celebrity cruise and after finding out how restricted their smoking policies were, we cancelled and chose a land based vacation(we had thought about quitting, and probably shld, but we both enjoy it so...). This time around we once again considered celebrity (mainly because we love the look of their penthouse suites with the huge outdoor decks and we prefererred the itinerary a bit to the one we chose with NCL). Once again we decided that it probably wasn't a good fit(with the smoking restrictions being a major no go factor). So we've booked with NCL in a DOS. The suite isnt quite as nice as what we were going to book with X and the only suite NCL had comparable is the GV(but thats 3 bdrms...lol) but I think it will work for us....It was actually pretty simple...there seems to be a myriad of ships from the very limited smoking policies of Oceania and X, to those with more open ones. Why wouldnt those who seem to be so violently opposed to smoking potentially affecting them choose a line with more restrictive policies? Doesnt that make more sense ? Perhaps because we take more land based vacations I can't grasp the concept of choosing a cruise line where I'd be taking a balcony cabin constantly having to worry that someone would prevent me from using mine, just as we realized that having a cigarette on our balcony was something that we would want to be able to do. Are people really that attached to one cruise line or another...and if so and one chooses a line without the restrictive policies why in heavens name would they be on here complaining after the fact? As an example...Mesci...did u not know that smoking was allowed on NCL's balcony when you booked the cruise?

 

I think this is probably the most sensible and rational post I've read in a while. Thank you for posting!

[armwinder]

I think this is probably the most sensible and rational post I've read in a while. Thank you for posting!

 

A little hard to read though, not sure what to make of it.

[OhJinkies]

Here's a little insight into the psyche of someone who is biased against smokers...

 

One of my earliest memories is waking each morning to the sound of my dad's coughing and hacking from the next room. I have a scar on my arm from the cigarette my mom accidentally burned me with. Most of my childhood was spent with a tissue in my hand, alternating between a stuffy nose and sneezing. My parents finally wised up and quit smoking, but my allergies persisted. I was finally tested when I was around 13 (50 needles in my arm and 80 scratches on my back). Cigarette smoke was listed as one of the things I was allergic to. Now I got this information from an allergist -- maybe things have changed, but it had a HUGE negative impact on my entire childhood. My mother once recalled what a pathetic little thing I was, always carrying around snotty tissues, always with watery eyes, blowing my nose and trying to get relief.

 

I have tried diligently to avoid cigarette smoke all my life. It's not been easy but since Florida became a "clean air" state things have finally gotten better. My allergies seem to have slightly abated as well -- I even make occasional jaunts to Las Vegas, taking antihistamines, avoiding the extra-smoky older casinos, and moving when a smoker plops down next to me and lights one up. But you can never truly get away from it...

 

A few years ago, a childhood friend invited me to join her at a resort in South Florida while she attended a conference. The room had an odd fragrance but I really didn't think about it. I had a terrible couple of nights, though, as my sinuses suddenly clogged up and I could barely breathe. When I got home, I opened my luggage and the unmistakable odor of cigarette smoke permeated the entire bag. We had been in a smoking room and I hadn't realized it because the smell had been masked. But the smoke residue was still in the room (think of the carpeting, the curtains, the upholstery, the bedcover, even the wall coverings). I learned a lesson that day about always making sure I'm in a nonsmoking room.

 

We have a smoker's patio outside my office building but when the door is opened, the smoke travels down the hallway and up the stairwell that leads to my office -- this is tens of yards away but it doesn't matter. You can't escape the stinky stuff (not to mention the way the smokers smell when they walk past you).

 

I think the worst thing, though, is when I pass by a car in a parking lot and see an adult smoking with small children in the car -- this is child abuse, in my opinion. But then, I'm biased.

[SuiteCruiser]

Here's what I'm not understanding.....a couple of years back dh and I were scheduled to take a Celebrity cruise and after finding out how restricted their smoking policies were, we cancelled and chose a land based vacation(we had thought about quitting, and probably shld, but we both enjoy it so...). This time around we once again considered celebrity (mainly because we love the look of their penthouse suites with the huge outdoor decks and we prefererred the itinerary a bit to the one we chose with NCL). Once again we decided that it probably wasn't a good fit(with the smoking restrictions being a major no go factor). So we've booked with NCL in a DOS. The suite isnt quite as nice as what we were going to book with X and the only suite NCL had comparable is the GV(but thats 3 bdrms...lol) but I think it will work for us....It was actually pretty simple...there seems to be a myriad of ships from the very limited smoking policies of Oceania and X, to those with more open ones. Why wouldnt those who seem to be so violently opposed to smoking potentially affecting them choose a line with more restrictive policies? Doesnt that make more sense ? Perhaps because we take more land based vacations I can't grasp the concept of choosing a cruise line where I'd be taking a balcony cabin constantly having to worry that someone would prevent me from using mine, just as we realized that having a cigarette on our balcony was something that we would want to be able to do. Are people really that attached to one cruise line or another...and if so and one chooses a line without the restrictive policies why in heavens name would they be on here complaining after the fact? As an example...Mesci...did u not know that smoking was allowed on NCL's balcony when you booked the cruise?

 

Seems odd to me to change from a line where I can eat wherever and whenever to switch to one with dress codes and limited dining options and no night life and an average age of 65, because people might smoke on the balcony next to me.

 

There is a lot more that goes into choosing a cruise line than smoke, why on earth should we be expected to do that?

[Luckybee]

Seems odd to me to change from a line where I can eat wherever and whenever to switch to one with dress codes and limited dining options and no night life and an average age of 65, because people might smoke on the balcony next to me.

 

There is a lot more that goes into choosing a cruise line than smoke, why on earth should we be expected to do that?

 

Then what you are in essence saying is that you are prepared to deal with balcony or casino smoke, because otherwise it would make no sense. Life is all about choices. If you choose to cruise on a line that allows smoking ccomplaining after the fact would be akin to complaining that you didn't like the fact it was freestyle dining or the lack of formal dress.

 

You seem to be expecting the cruise line to change to suit your particular desires or needs as opposed to setting their own policy.

[Luckybee]

I think this is probably the most sensible and rational post I've read in a while. Thank you for posting!

 

Thanks! I guess it just seems like common sense to me.

[che5904]

Then what you are in essence saying is that you are prepared to deal with balcony or casino smoke, because otherwise it would make no sense. Life is all about choices. If you choose to cruise on a line that allows smoking ccomplaining after the fact would be akin to complaining that you didn't like the fact it was freestyle dining or the lack of formal dress.

 

You seem to be expecting the cruise line to change to suit your particular desires or needs as opposed to setting their own policy.

 

I agree with you completely. I think the point that was missed was that not every cruiseline will have everything we like. And therefore, it is a matter of prioritizing your wants when you make your choice and deal or put up with the things that are further down on your priority list, instead of expecting cruiselines to change their policies to suit all of your wants. You just have to pick the one that is closest to what you like.

 

My list to choose a cruise would be 1) smoking policy 2) freestyle dining 3) price 4) itinerary 5) activities. So in other words, NCL may not have the perfect itinerary. Another cruise line may be closer to what I want but I won't ask NCL to change their itinerary to more of my liking. So I guess if the top 3 they offer is on my list, I'll have to deal with the itinerary that isn't quite to my liking.

 

Everyone's priorities will be different, but I agree if smoking on balconies is at the top of your list then the only choice you have is choose a line that more meets your needs or don't book a balcony. Sounds pretty simple to me.

[omc329]

It may sound simple, but I don't think it is that simple to put one single item above a myriad of other items.

 

For us, price and smoking issues are both high priorities. The simple fact is that whenever we price Celebrity and Princess, they come out beyond our budget.

 

We ended up on NCL because of the price on a European cruise. We were not outside much on that cruise for smoke to bother us, and the inside, if we avoided the casino area was smoke free. It was fantastic compared to our experience on Carnival where my eyes and nose were running like a sieve. We loved the anytime style of NCl. The experience left us rebooking NCL over Carnival for the next cruise.

 

Fast forward to this fall. I have finally booked our very first balcony at a price I had a hard time passing up. I did this with the knowledge that my balcony might be unusable. I am hoping we will either have non-smokers, or the occasional style smoker vs a chain smoker for a neighbor. If it turns out we can't use our balcony because of the smoke issue, I will know never to book another balcony on NCL, (though we've already got one booked for Alaska next year). We've got our balcony this fall at an ov or inside rate, so I figure worst case we've got a nice ov.

 

I'll be majorly ticked if we can't enjoy Glacier Bay because of smoke. I would hope we will at least have considerate neighbors that will work with us.

 

No, I did not book Celebrity or Princess. I did toy with Princess very much so, but for us the price difference is too much to ignore. I'm a part-time nanny. Our cruises come out of MY income. That income does not pay for higher style lines. $200 for me is a LOT of money. I don't get GV's or suites. It isn't as 'simple' as stating that smoking should be my number one choice of cruise line.

 

Yes, the rules are in place. Yes, I must abide by them. Yes, I have to sit and hope and pray I can use the balcony I paid for, knowing full well I have no recourse if I can't. Yes, I would like to see NCL go non-smoking on balconies. (I could care less about the casino. The smokers can have that to themselves.)

 

I wish there were a way to accomodate everyone on a cruise. There doesn't appear to be any happy mediums on this issue. The problem is, it is an intrusive health issue that a minority hangs onto for one reason or another. I don't care if others smoke or not, I just want to be able to afford a nice vacation that unplugs dh from work for a week. A cruise is it for us. Anything less doesn't work.

 

Life is NOT simple and neither is choosing a cruise line by a single issue.

[rvsullivan]

I am not a smoker! However, I remember when everyone (I know, but you know what I mean) smoked. Not that many years ago. When the no smoking campaign started it began as a "just give us a little smoke free area", when that became a reality, it became "we should move them to their own area". That happened, then "move them outside", now that the smokers are outside in a restricted area, the movement is to ban outside smoking.

Many studies have proven that in most areas of the world, the "junk" in the air from pollution is much worse than smokers generate. Because someone can smell cigarette smoke does not mean they are inhaling harmful properties in anywhere near the level of things we get in normal air in this day and time. To clean up the air we need to shut down auto pollution and industrial smog. No one wants to do what is needed to fix that problem, but will hound a smoker into the ground.

Much more health and financial harm is now being caused by alcohol than smoking in the U.S. now, but no one is working on banning booze??

 

For those that say they have to stick with NCL because it is affordable. There are choices, pick an inside or ocean view, save for a forward or aft suite, or accept that a balcony is a choice you made and is the last available choice for a smoker.

My experience with balconies is this, I've had smokers for neighbors before, they, like me, do not stay on their balcony 7x24, nor do they smoke non stop.

Pick your balcony time and share the outdoors.

[dread_pirate]

Much more health and financial harm is now being caused by alcohol than smoking in the U.S. now, but no one is working on banning booze??

They tried that - it was called Prohibition, and it was a rousing success.

 

For those that say they have to stick with NCL because it is affordable. There are choices, pick an inside or ocean view, save for a forward or aft suite, or accept that a balcony is a choice you made and is the last available choice for a smoker.

Exactly. NCL has actually become more affordable for me. Since I don't want to be next to a smoker on my balcony, I won't book one. If I like everything else, I'll just book an inside.

 

But please note that I can only do this because NCL changed its policy and now forbids smoking in cabins. If they hadn't, then there would be nowhere that I would be assured I could stay comfortably, and I wouldn't have booked NCL.

 

If I want a balcony cabin, I'll book a different line. Easy.

[JerseyJaguar]

I wish I had done my research - we are now taking a $10,000 gamble, and it is too late to back out.

I did my research, I was booked in an oceanview on HAL till I got an email saying smoking would only be allowed on balconies, well, I couldn't afford their balconies and NCL had a similar rule and similar itinerary with cheaper balconies, so there I will be. Not breaking any rules when I smoke in my pjs on the balcony.

 

Smokers portray themselves as victims, as they can't control their needs, but the same argument could be made for rapists and serial killers.

Victims? No, we just state the obvious. Non-smokers wanted smoking stopped in cabins because of the off chance they might smell something when they had the cabin next, so you don't get to then bitch when the cruiselines give you that but continue to allow smoking on balconies. The fact more smokers will be on balconies is the result of the non-smokers wish to get them out of the cabins. Deal with it.

 

As for your ridiculous comparison, to begin with, smoking is legal, heinous crimes are not.

[Luckybee]

A little hard to read though, not sure what to make of it.

 

Sorry about that armwinder. I was typing on my ipad very late at night while lying down. Haven't mastered that well yet I'm afraid :)

[mesci14]

Here's what I'm not understanding.....a couple of years back dh and I were scheduled to take a Celebrity cruise and after finding out how restricted their smoking policies were, we cancelled and chose a land based vacation(we had thought about quitting, and probably shld, but we both enjoy it so...). This time around we once again considered celebrity (mainly because we love the look of their penthouse suites with the huge outdoor decks and we prefererred the itinerary a bit to the one we chose with NCL). Once again we decided that it probably wasn't a good fit(with the smoking restrictions being a major no go factor). So we've booked with NCL in a DOS. The suite isnt quite as nice as what we were going to book with X and the only suite NCL had comparable is the GV(but thats 3 bdrms...lol) but I think it will work for us....It was actually pretty simple...there seems to be a myriad of ships from the very limited smoking policies of Oceania and X, to those with more open ones. Why wouldnt those who seem to be so violently opposed to smoking potentially affecting them choose a line with more restrictive policies? Doesnt that make more sense ? Perhaps because we take more land based vacations I can't grasp the concept of choosing a cruise line where I'd be taking a balcony cabin constantly having to worry that someone would prevent me from using mine, just as we realized that having a cigarette on our balcony was something that we would want to be able to do. Are people really that attached to one cruise line or another...and if so and one chooses a line without the restrictive policies why in heavens name would they be on here complaining after the fact? As an example...Mesci...did u not know that smoking was allowed on NCL's balcony when you booked the cruise?

 

Not when I booked--I made a silly assumption that it was comparable to hotel policies. But I did know prior to cruising based upon what I read here on cruise critic and became concerned, but at that point we would not be able to change our situation. However many are limited because of their location. For example we are from Northern Maine and it is extremely expensive to fly from here to anywhere so we looked for a cruise that we could drive to (Boston-the Dawn) and fit within the time that we could travel for vacation. We also wanted to go to a warm climate. This time we are traveling all the way to Baltimore and trying RCCL and choosing an inside room based on our last experience. I will however continue to call NCL and try to change their Smoking policy because we loved all other aspects of the cruise. If our room could have been moved or changed we would probably be still sailing with NCL. We too value our money and our vacation time together for a variety of reasons and we truly felt we did not get what we paid for the last time from NCL. Somebody mentioned that they are not out on the balconies 24-7...our neighbors pretty much were(they never seemed to leave their room--we thought they might be honeymooners or something)...however I want to stress they were breaking no rules...NCL was not able to provide us with a balcony we could use unfortunately.

[mesci14]

Please re-read my post, I actually stated where I was speaking from "I know a lot of us". I didn't say all smokers, nor would I presume that. But further to that, any smoker that is a victim of addiction to nicotine and so wants to quit have lots of options available to them to help them through that "addiction".

 

Yes I have a very strong personality (as I see you do too). I am not ashamed of that and do see it is a wonderful attribute. But no, the people I associate with are not afraid to speak up (but I'm sure they would thank you for your concern), as I surround myself with very strong personalities because that is the type of character trait in someone that I respect. So yes I respect you for your stance on what you believe in and your need to voice it, I just don't happen to agree with it.

 

The person you had indicated was limited in their experiences (sheltered life) because they had not encountered a smoker who didn't want to quit also was using the 1st person response as you did so I thought your world may have been limited in its exposure as well and if not I wanted to know the research that may have supported your experience. Yes i too have a strong personality, but try to be fully aware of the implications of this on others. I also respect people who know their minds and are not afraid to share their opinions respectfully. I always value a differing opinion that uses logic and reason because it challenges me to examine my own point of view.

[SuiteCruiser]

The person you had indicated was limited in their experiences (sheltered life) because they had not encountered a smoker who didn't want to quit also was using the 1st person response as you did so I thought your world may have been limited in its exposure as well and if not I wanted to know the research that may have supported your experience. Yes i too have a strong personality, but try to be fully aware of the implications of this on others. I also respect people who know their minds and are not afraid to share their opinions respectfully. I always value a differing opinion that uses logic and reason because it challenges me to examine my own point of view.

 

Honestly, I ignored it. I live with a million of my closest friends in an urban centre, travel the world, 7 trips this year alone, and have lived in several countries, have family in Europe and Africa, so no, I'm not sheltered. I stand by my comment that I've never met a smoker who didn't want to be a non-smoker, but agree that perhaps someone along the line has said it out of embarrassment and not meant it.

[Luckybee]

Not when I booked--I made a silly assumption that it was comparable to hotel policies. Not a silly assumption at all. NCL's policy IS similiar to hotel policies at least most that I'm aware of. Only Starwood and Marriott seem to disallow smoking on balconies(and only in N.A for example in Aruba one can smoke on the balcony at Marriotts). We've recently spent time at 4-seasons, Hyatts, Viceroy and Hilton properties where we were able to smoke on our balconies, and/or patios. But I did know prior to cruising based upon what I read here on cruise critic and became concerned, but at that point we would not be able to change our situation. If you really didnt find out untill the non cancel period that is unfortunate , but was your cruise sold out , so that you couldnt have been moved in advance to an inside cabin had you asked ?However many are limited because of their location. For example we are from Northern Maine and it is extremely expensive to fly from here to anywhere so we looked for a cruise that we could drive to (Boston-the Dawn) and fit within the time that we could travel for vacation. We also wanted to go to a warm climate. This time we are traveling all the way to Baltimore and trying RCCL and choosing an inside room based on our last experience. You definitely should take an inside cabin...we have sailed on RCCL, and were quite frankly surprised by the amount of smoking on open decks all over (and we're both smokers)I will however continue to call NCL and try to change their Smoking policy because we loved all other aspects of the cruise. In other words it is as I said, you want the cruise line to change its policies to suit your particular needs and desires. If our room could have been moved or changed we would probably be still sailing with NCL. We too value our money and our vacation time together for a variety of reasons and we truly felt we did not get what we paid for the last time from NCL. Then you obviously should choose a line where you feel like you will get your monies worth. Somebody mentioned that they are not out on the balconies 24-7...our neighbors pretty much were(they never seemed to leave their room--we thought they might be honeymooners or something)...however I want to stress they were breaking no rules. Of course they weren't, they were not the ones with the problem, they were doing exactly what they were allowed to do...NCL was not able to provide us with a balcony we could use unfortunately.

 

Here's hoping you enjoy your cruise on RCCL !

[Luckybee]

Honestly, I ignored it. I live with a million of my closest friends in an urban centre, travel the world, 7 trips this year alone, and have lived in several countries, have family in Europe and Africa, so no, I'm not sheltered. I stand by my comment that I've never met a smoker who didn't want to be a non-smoker, but agree that perhaps someone along the line has said it out of embarrassment and not meant it.

 

Well honestly, I dont wish to be a non-smoker either. Because of health related issues I may have to quit, but that said it isnt because I want to. I quite enjoy smoking, I enjoy the smell and the relaxation.

[mesci14]

Here's hoping you enjoy your cruise on RCCL !

 

All of the hotels we have stayed in do not allow smoking in outside areas other than in a designated outside area 100 feet from any entrance. Some hotels have rooms that allow smoking, but I find they are grouped together away from nonsmoking rooms. According to the cruise line they were fully booked hence we could not be moved. Beside it being outside of the full refund time...we have certain times that we can vacation and this was the only cruise that we could go on that particular year. Many people who enjoy cruising have limits placed upon their vacations for a variety of reasons therefore limiting their options. You are absolutely right I want to cruise and I have limited options in doing so. I will continue to ask NCL to create smokefree environments (this can be accomplished in a variety of ways) as I believe there are many people who desire a smokefree environment as much as my family does. I will continue to research this further in hopes to provide documentation to NCL that supports my stance. Thank you, we are looking forward to our cruise. We actually have read that RCCL is very good about nonsmoking environments even having nonsmoking casino nights!:D

[JerseyJaguar]

All of the hotels we have stayed in do not allow smoking in outside areas other than in a designated outside area 100 feet from any entrance.

And you honestly believed a cruiseline would make cruisers smoke 100 feet from the ship?? You do understand that puts people in the ocean or sea, right?

 

You are absolutely right I want to cruise and I have limited options in doing so. I will continue to ask NCL to create smokefree environments (this can be accomplished in a variety of ways) as I believe there are many people who desire a smokefree environment as much as my family does.

And those that hate anyone being allowed to smoke should go places where they won't run into any smokers. If this isn't your #1 need for cruising, then you need to accept that those following the rules who want to smoke in their pjs will get balcony rooms.

I will continue to research this further in hopes to provide documentation to NCL that supports my stance.

Obviously this will not be proper research since you will continue to ignore what smokers want. I believe NCL already knows what your stance is, and they've given nonsmokers what they asked for, but once again, it's never enough.

[che5904]

And you honestly believed a cruiseline would make cruisers smoke 100 feet from the ship?? You do understand that puts people in the ocean or sea, right?.

 

:D :D I'm really glad I am not the only one that read that statement that way. ;)

[time2cruise1]

Here's hoping you enjoy your cruise on RCCL !

 

May not be the best choice since smoking on balconies like NCL is still permitted. :D