TonicTraveler Posted June 13 #1 Share Posted June 13 Beginning July 1, 2024 the only Simply More published pricing will be without air. Either an Oceania agent or TA will be able to add Oceania Air and the fare will be determined by the city you’re departing from. Oceania is calling this dynamic pricing. Everything else will remain the same, including transfers. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osandomir Posted June 13 #2 Share Posted June 13 13 minutes ago, TonicTraveler said: Beginning July 1, 2024 the only Simply More published pricing will be without air. Either an Oceania agent or TA will be able to add Oceania Air and the fare will be determined by the city you’re departing from. Oceania is calling this dynamic pricing. Everything else will remain the same, including transfers. This looks like an interesting development. I’m looking forward to seeing how it will affect the prices of the business/premium air booked through Oceania. Though, don’t have much hopes for the bargains there. Also, with dynamic pricing I can’t see how the air price will be determined when booking cruise two years in advance. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonicTraveler Posted June 13 Author #3 Share Posted June 13 31 minutes ago, osandomir said: This looks like an interesting development. I’m looking forward to seeing how it will affect the prices of the business/premium air booked through Oceania. Though, don’t have much hopes for the bargains there. Also, with dynamic pricing I can’t see how the air price will be determined when booking cruise two years in advance. You will be able to get pricing for air for all cruises, even those 2 years out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WESTEAST Posted June 13 #4 Share Posted June 13 (edited) It looks like the NCL group is changing - Regent announced that starting July 1, 2024 there are two fare choices: Ultimate All Inclusive includes air (with choice of First, Business or PE - you pay more for Business or First) and then All Inclusive Cruise fare only (no air) which appears similar to what Oceania offered before July 1, 2024. 'Dynamic pricing' wording has been known for airline fares for some time and curious what this Oceania label might infer. Edited June 13 by WESTEAST 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WESTEAST Posted June 13 #5 Share Posted June 13 34 minutes ago, TonicTraveler said: You will be able to get pricing for air for all cruises, even those 2 years out. Just read this and wow that is positive news. We can continue to compare Oceania rates with Business to our TA Consolidator etc. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CurlerRob Posted June 13 #6 Share Posted June 13 40 minutes ago, TonicTraveler said: You will be able to get pricing for air for all cruises, even those 2 years out. Interesting. Given that the airlines don't publish pricing anywhere near that far out, it suggests that Oceania will be making "educated guesses" about pricing. That may require them to include significant contingency in their pricing to pax, or pressure them to arrange low-cost carriers/routings if they have guessed wrongly. Perhaps @FlyerTalker will offer some insight here based on his knowledge. 🍺🥌 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osandomir Posted June 13 #7 Share Posted June 13 1 hour ago, TonicTraveler said: You will be able to get pricing for air for all cruises, even those 2 years out. Thank you for posting this information. It will make me assume that Oceania contracts with the airlines are extended that far. This is way before any published flight prices are available. In this case there won’t be any dynamic pricing involved. Still it’s very interesting to see how it all plays out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare ORV Posted June 13 #8 Share Posted June 13 I would think the bottom line is that any change like this will be in the best interest of the company. 10 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yesimapirate Posted June 13 #9 Share Posted June 13 I'm reading this as price will be "dynamic " based on departure and return airports, not date. Although traditional peak travel seasons may also be involved. It's pretty easy to see historic averages ans realize fortress hubs amd small airports are often more expensive than airports with high competition. Business class to Europe is going to be more from Omaha than NY. The back end with the actual booking of flights and their contracts don't have to change at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SATaxman Posted June 13 #10 Share Posted June 13 10 minutes ago, Yesimapirate said: I'm reading this as price will be "dynamic " based on departure and return airports, not date. Although traditional peak travel seasons may also be involved. It's pretty easy to see historic averages ans realize fortress hubs amd small airports are often more expensive than airports with high competition. Business class to Europe is going to be more from Omaha than NY. The back end with the actual booking of flights and their contracts don't have to change at all. Did you randomly select Omaha as an example, or do you have a connection to Omaha? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yesimapirate Posted June 13 #11 Share Posted June 13 22 minutes ago, SATaxman said: Did you randomly select Omaha as an example, or do you have a connection to Omaha? Totally random. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare FlyerTalker Posted June 13 #12 Share Posted June 13 11 hours ago, CurlerRob said: Perhaps @FlyerTalker will offer some insight here based on his knowledge. 🍺🥌 In the absence of any actual announcement or details, I really have no idea what they mean by "dynamic". I see nothing on the Oceania website, nor in the press, so I wonder the source of this supposed change. If this is really a new program, I would have expected to see it published somewhere. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Vallesan Posted June 13 #13 Share Posted June 13 (edited) I had to ‘google’ ‘dynamic pricing’ and now that I know what it is I just can’t see how it would work with flights for cruises. Time will tell. As it happens we never take cruise line flights but it will be interesting to see if prices for ‘cruise without air’ increase! Edited June 13 by Vallesan 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare FlyerTalker Posted June 13 #14 Share Posted June 13 If, and it's a big IF, I was to take a guess, this might be a combo play. Contract fares for a limited quantity of seats, from a specific subset of cities. These would be available for more than one year out, for the price only, with no guarantees of routings between A and B. Then, within 11 months out, pricing and routings now reflect availability in the spot market, rather than on a contract basis. This would also perhaps upend the paradigm of a customer buying cruise air on a long horizon, but only paying close in. Cruiselines can have big liabilities if they sell long, but get close in cancellations that they may be liable for. Again, this is just a wild guess. Personally, if I was a cruiseline I would never sell air unless I could either: a) Insist on air payment at booking b) Build in significant margin in the air dept to cover cancellation costs c) Only sell seats after airlines have released published schedules, prices and inventory Anything else, including the current system, are primarily marketing tools. With associated net costs. In effect, the cruiseline is booking the bets that customers will keep their cruiseline air, and won't cancel either the air or the underlying cruise. 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
golfguyhhi Posted June 13 #15 Share Posted June 13 (edited) Why does a google search find no indication of this supposed new Oceania air program? Would the OP please come back and tell us the source of their knowledge of this big change? Especially since it is supposed to be starting on July 1. Edited June 13 by golfguyhhi clarifying wording 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare FlyerTalker Posted June 13 #16 Share Posted June 13 10 minutes ago, golfguyhhi said: Why does a google search find no indication of this supposed new Oceania air program? Would the OP please come back and tell us the source of their knowledge of this big change? Especially since it is supposed to be starting on July 1. I suspect this was an "I heard it from a friend, who heard it from their TA, who heard it from another TA who heard it from an O rep." 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonicTraveler Posted June 13 Author #17 Share Posted June 13 2 hours ago, FlyerTalker said: In the absence of any actual announcement or details, I really have no idea what they mean by "dynamic". I see nothing on the Oceania website, nor in the press, so I wonder the source of this supposed change. If this is really a new program, I would have expected to see it published somewhere. The information came from a webinar I attended with the VP of sales. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonicTraveler Posted June 13 Author #18 Share Posted June 13 1 hour ago, golfguyhhi said: Why does a google search find no indication of this supposed new Oceania air program? Would the OP please come back and tell us the source of their knowledge of this big change? Especially since it is supposed to be starting on July 1. The information came directly from the Oceania VP of sales and head of the air department. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare FlyerTalker Posted June 13 #19 Share Posted June 13 7 minutes ago, TonicTraveler said: The information came from a webinar I attended with the VP of sales. In which case we should have greater details. The official silence is deafening. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonicTraveler Posted June 13 Author #20 Share Posted June 13 2 minutes ago, FlyerTalker said: In which case we should have greater details. The official silence is deafening. Look at the Oceania website on July 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare FlyerTalker Posted June 13 #21 Share Posted June 13 So, in other words....there's a new program coming out in two weeks, but you'll have to wait for any details. Woulda saved about 19 posts. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WESTEAST Posted June 13 #22 Share Posted June 13 20 minutes ago, TonicTraveler said: Look at the Oceania website on July 1. Appreciate the advance info; an Oceania media release should be imminent (Regent's air program media release was May 29th for a July 1st effective date). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonicTraveler Posted June 13 Author #23 Share Posted June 13 36 minutes ago, FlyerTalker said: So, in other words....there's a new program coming out in two weeks, but you'll have to wait for any details. Woulda saved about 19 posts. The details are in the original post. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Vallesan Posted June 13 #24 Share Posted June 13 Looking at Facebook this looks like it’s come from a TA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare FlyerTalker Posted June 13 #25 Share Posted June 13 21 minutes ago, TonicTraveler said: The details are in the original post. We obviously have a difference of opinion as to the meaning of "details". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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