Cruising With A Service Dog....everything You Ever Wanted To Know!

[Miki_moto]

Roz, England is so much easier these days. The first trip in 2007, I had to do the six month wait after a clean rabies titer test. Just about stopped my heart when I got the official report and saw they transposed two of the microchip numbers! No six month wait now but a whole different set of hoops to jump through. Totally worth it, though.

 

Certainly there is an element of "stuffy" on Cunard! Something to do with the older, largely British demographic?

 

Chris, I do like the Pet Passport. If nothing else, it keeps a record of all inoculations in one place.

 

I will update as I get more information.

Karen

[Miki_moto]

I received a reply from Cunard:

"While onboard, the ship will establish a convenient location for a relief area for your Service Animal.

The relief areais a 4x4, box filled with Cedar Mulch (or similar material) and the guest is responsible for cleaning up after the Service Animal. Please note, the relief area is not permitted on guest’s balconies and under no circumstance, are animals allowed to relieve themselves in cabins or cabin restrooms. The use of relief pads is prohibited.

Service Animals must be on a leash or harness at all times while in public areas of the ship and may not sit on any surface other than the floor, strollers and dog carrying handbags are prohibited."

I guess that settles the question of putting it on our balcony.

[S.S. Cruisers]

Heeelllll-o,

Hope everyone is either cruising or really busy. No posts since 1-26? I know I have been crazy busy. For the folks that have been on here along time, we (Travis and I) have been getting Travis ready for his Eagle Scout in Boy Scouts. So exciting! He will be 15!!!!! in March. It's been a long road, but we are so proud of him!

 

We want to take him on a cruise for all the hard work he has been doing, BUT to our dismay he has no interest in going. We took him when he was 3, which he doesn't remember. He says he is too afraid that he might fall over board or someone might push him! Poor guy, I have to admit, I have never had that thought enter my mind!

 

Hope everyone has a great week-end, coming up! :*

[Insuregal]

Heeelllll-o,

Hope everyone is either cruising or really busy. No posts since 1-26? I know I have been crazy busy. For the folks that have been on here along time, we (Travis and I) have been getting Travis ready for his Eagle Scout in Boy Scouts. So exciting! He will be 15!!!!! in March. It's been a long road, but we are so proud of him!

 

We want to take him on a cruise for all the hard work he has been doing, BUT to our dismay he has no interest in going. We took him when he was 3, which he doesn't remember. He says he is too afraid that he might fall over board or someone might push him! Poor guy, I have to admit, I have never had that thought enter my mind!

 

Hope everyone has a great week-end, coming up! :*

 

Hi Nancy!

 

Congratulations on Travis's great milestone! Sounds like you have been working really hard. Hopefully you and Travis can come to a happy choice for his reward.

 

I have been wondering where everybody is and what they are up to these days. Roz must be swamped with her office move. Maybe our other friends will pop in and give us an update on their activities. Need to know what is happening across the pond with Aruba and Bonnie; Jagger down in Florida; Hearing dog Raylene wherever she may be traveling right now; and of course Wexler, and Gretel.

 

Here in Kansas City Gibson has been to the vet twice. First time we found out he has crystals in his urine that could have become bladder stones. This required a change in food, because he was getting too much phosphorus and magnesium. Second time he had developed a really messy yeast infection in both ears. My daughter is putting medicine in both ears and massaging them each day; then he shakes his head and the stuff flies everywhere. He isn't wild about ear drops, but is so tolerant for whatever she does with him. (The vet thought it was funny that all she had to do to get the urine sample was hold a small plastic dish under him, easy-peasy!)

 

Alrighty now everybody! We want to know what you are all up to the first day of February!

 

Thanks!

Beckie

[lostspoke]

Good Morning Everyone! I'm back.

 

It was a wonderful 15 day Hawaii cruise. Horton was treated like a rock star. His potty box was in place, on the veranda, from day one. The filler was the pellets, which are so hard on dogs with web toes. I brought a roll of artificial turf, laid it on top of the pellets and it stayed there for the complete cruise [i left it behind when he disembarked.] The Steward provided trash bags, which he tied to a lounge chair and I picked up the solids, which were disposed of daily.

 

I'm not really fond of sea days and Hawaii cruises are full of them. So, there were a lot of days filled with playing games, people watching, reading and watching folks ooh! and aah! over Horty. The ship offered hula lessons, singing, spa, reading and just lazing around. It was too cold to lay by the pools [and, the Captain was a real Parnelli Jones], the ship was bobbing and weaving so much that there were puke bags by every elevator. We had left port late so he was making up for the time by driving like a crazy man. I, personally, love the rocking and rolling as does Horton and my daughter. The worst was trying to go to the bathroom in the middle of the night.

We brought our Ukulele's but never really brought them out. There were no lessons offered. The food was good, not great, but very good. The service was excellent. The show's were minimal because of the rough seas. The magician and comedian onboard were very good. The music in the various was very good. And, having the drink package was the best idea ever. We had bottled water, specialty coffee's and top of the line drinks whenever we wanted them. I will ALWAYS purchase the drink package, no matter what ship I'm on!

 

I prefer port intensive cruises so that almost daily you're in a different place and most folks leave the ship so there are no lines. However, the shops and casino onboard will be closed a lot. Going to Hawaii there's a lot of chances to shop and to gamble.

 

As you all know the paperwork, vet visits and Direct Release Specialist visit by the Maui Humane Society [while onboard] were very expensive. Horton was inspected by by the Specialist who was very impressed by his behavior and the condition of his skin, fur and cleanliness of his ears, paws, etc. Her name was Melissa and her visit was pre-arranged by phone [808-877-3680] and cost $224.00. The first thing she did was run her scanner over Horton to check for his Micro-chip and then she examined all my paperwork which included a copy of his OIE-FAVN Blood test [Rabies antibody], which costs $245.00. These costs do not include the Vet visit and any immunizations which must be brought current. The blood test is good for 3 years, so if you're planning another trip within this time your dogs is all good to go.

 

I've said this before and I'll say it again, please DO NOT LEAVE YOUR DOG IN YOUR CABIN WITHOUT SUPERVISION. So much can happen. Most ships won't allow this anyway! If my dog can't go or if I have a questionable port.....I don't go. His life and his well being is way too important to me.

 

I now have something in writing from the HR Director at my new job site asking me to please NOT take Horton into the ladies room, kitchen or employee's lounge. Remember, I've been working for this company for over 20 years and this is the first time anyone has ever made such a request of my dogs [who have worked with me since 2002!] I've already had one employee who won't go into the elevator with me if Horton is in it. Now I enter the elevator and if there are people already in it, I ask, "is anyone afraid of the dog?" I NEVER ask is "anyone allergic?"

 

Thank you all for your good wishes and good suggestions for dealing with my new issues at my new job site.

 

Hi Roz,

 

Did you coordinate with Hawaii prior to arrival? I ask because there should not be any charge for inspection of a SD. We coordinate with the main office months ahead of the trip and Honolulu arranges for the inspection (i.e. not through the owner), that way it is covered. The honolulu office maintains copies of your documentation which is all tied to the chip ID. This is for your reference and others that may bring an SD to Hawaii. Hope it helps for any future/repeat visits.

[wizard-of-roz]

Wex is ready for a cruise!

 

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Hello Handsome ♥

[wizard-of-roz]

My first service dog made six round trips - Seattle/London - and my second service dog has made one trip so far. It really isn't that big a big deal.

 

We fly business class with British Airways and I know the form your talking about re: won't relieve themself on board. I think I might have even signed it once or twice.

 

Since we're always the first on and the last off, I'm usually looking at close to ten hours on the plane. Fourteen flights without a hiccup - maybe I shouldn't jinx it!

 

 

We're booked on a ten day Queen Elizabeth Alaskan cruise in June, 2019. I'm undecided about taking Nico with me. It's likely I'll be spending most of the time on the ship.

 

As I get older, staying onboard the ship is the best part and time of the cruise. I've got the entire ship to myself. No long lines, no crowded elevators and getting from one place to another is so much easier!

I've never done the Queen Elizabeth, maybe it's time!

[wizard-of-roz]

I received a reply from Cunard:

 

"While onboard, the ship will establish a convenient location for a relief area for your Service Animal.

The relief areais a 4x4, box filled with Cedar Mulch (or similar material) and the guest is responsible for cleaning up after the Service Animal. Please note, the relief area is not permitted on guest’s balconies and under no circumstance, are animals allowed to relieve themselves in cabins or cabin restrooms. The use of relief pads is prohibited.

Service Animals must be on a leash or harness at all times while in public areas of the ship and may not sit on any surface other than the floor, strollers and dog carrying handbags are prohibited."

I guess that settles the question of putting it on our balcony.

 

Nonsense! it's exactly what I was told for years on different cruise lines......until I confronted a Hotel Manager to show me where the Health Law is that states we can NOT have the potty box placed on our veranda. After much frustration on his part, he finally relinquished [because I wouldn't back down] and, asked his crew [maintenance dept.] to place the box on our veranda immediately.

Since that incident, onboard the Golden Princess, and on every subsequent cruise [about 15], I just insist that it be moved to my veranda if it's not there already. I do tell the Special Needs Dept. where I want the box placed, I do go to the Guest Services Desk, the moment we arrive onboard [even before I check the cabin] to make the box is properly placed. Sometimes, there's absolutely NO HASSLE and sometimes I have to ask for the Hotel Manager. But, no matter what cruise line I'm on........I get my needs met.

I do believe in following the rules but this is something I will NOT back down on. There's no reason the cruise line can't make it easier for us.

If you don't have a veranda, insist that they put it in a crew work closet or stairwell NEAR your cabin.

Wouldn't it be easier if our dogs would just go potty on the toilet? :confused:

[wizard-of-roz]

Happy weekend everyone! We're having a heat wave here in L.A. I'm going to the beach! :cool:

[Miki_moto]

Nonsense! it's exactly what I was told for years on different cruise lines......until I confronted a Hotel Manager to show me where the Health Law is that states we can NOT have the potty box placed on our veranda. After much frustration on his part, he finally relinquished [because I wouldn't back down] and, asked his crew [maintenance dept.] to place the box on our veranda immediately.

 

Since that incident, onboard the Golden Princess, and on every subsequent cruise [about 15], I just insist that it be moved to my veranda if it's not there already. I do tell the Special Needs Dept. where I want the box placed, I do go to the Guest Services Desk, the moment we arrive onboard [even before I check the cabin] to make the box is properly placed. Sometimes, there's absolutely NO HASSLE and sometimes I have to ask for the Hotel Manager. But, no matter what cruise line I'm on........I get my needs met.

 

I do believe in following the rules but this is something I will NOT back down on. There's no reason the cruise line can't make it easier for us.

 

If you don't have a veranda, insist that they put it in a crew work closet or stairwell NEAR your cabin.

 

Wouldn't it be easier if our dogs would just go potty on the toilet? :confused:

 

Good to know, Roz! It would sure make my life easier having it on the balcony, although I wouldn’t think twice about taking him to toilet in my pj’s!

 

I’m sure I got the standard reply since it’s clear whoever handled my request for information didn’t really pay much attention to my email.

 

When I phoned the booking number I was told to add a list of needed information, including what my SD did for me, when I wrote to the access department. Not a problem, I followed all the instructions ~ only to get a reply telling me Nico would be added to my reservation as soon as I told them what tasks he does for me! Now I’m waiting for confirmation that he’s been added to my reservation.

 

A heat wave ~ lucky you! We seem to be stuck in a perpetual weather front of rain, rain and more rain. We had snow for Christmas but now... rain. :(

[wizard-of-roz]

Heeelllll-o,

Hope everyone is either cruising or really busy. No posts since 1-26? I know I have been crazy busy. For the folks that have been on here along time, we (Travis and I) have been getting Travis ready for his Eagle Scout in Boy Scouts. So exciting! He will be 15!!!!! in March. It's been a long road, but we are so proud of him!

 

We want to take him on a cruise for all the hard work he has been doing, BUT to our dismay he has no interest in going. We took him when he was 3, which he doesn't remember. He says he is too afraid that he might fall over board or someone might push him! Poor guy, I have to admit, I have never had that thought enter my mind!

 

Hope everyone has a great week-end, coming up! :*

 

Yay Travis! We've known you for a long time and I'm so glad to hear that your successes are many!!!!

I must say I've never, ever thought about someone throwing me or me falling overboard. I have looked down into the vast ocean, at night, and it was a bit scary, I must admit. Thank goodness, that scary moment goes away very quickly as I think about the wonderful adventures and fun people I'm going to meet!!! ;)

[wizard-of-roz]

Hi Nancy!

 

Congratulations on Travis's great milestone! Sounds like you have been working really hard. Hopefully you and Travis can come to a happy choice for his reward.

 

I have been wondering where everybody is and what they are up to these days. Roz must be swamped with her office move. Maybe our other friends will pop in and give us an update on their activities. Need to know what is happening across the pond with Aruba and Bonnie; Jagger down in Florida; Hearing dog Raylene wherever she may be traveling right now; and of course Wexler, and Gretel.

 

Here in Kansas City Gibson has been to the vet twice. First time we found out he has crystals in his urine that could have become bladder stones. This required a change in food, because he was getting too much phosphorus and magnesium. Second time he had developed a really messy yeast infection in both ears. My daughter is putting medicine in both ears and massaging them each day; then he shakes his head and the stuff flies everywhere. He isn't wild about ear drops, but is so tolerant for whatever she does with him. (The vet thought it was funny that all she had to do to get the urine sample was hold a small plastic dish under him, easy-peasy!)

 

Alrighty now everybody! We want to know what you are all up to the first day of February!

 

Thanks!

Beckie

 

Hi Beckie, all is good for me. I'm still NOT taking my Horton into the "forbidden" city of places that 2 other employee's don't want to see him in. I find myself, while Horton and I are walking to the potty, avoiding both these people when I see them. I stop in my tracks, ask Horton to sit and wait until they pass. If other folks are nearby they really notice it and I hope the "allergy" people are totally embarrassed. I'm not shy about making it very noticeable and when everyone goes into a strategy meeting I make sure to bring Horton with me and then I love to watch them scramble for the furthest away from us seat. I'm enjoying the game play and could care less about how they feel! I'm so mature, aint I? :halo:

I still haven't made up my mind if I'm going to retire yet.......I'm certainly of the age, I certainly could but I don't think I'm ready, not yet! Maybe next week! :o

[wizard-of-roz]

Hi Roz,

 

Did you coordinate with Hawaii prior to arrival? I ask because there should not be any charge for inspection of a SD. We coordinate with the main office months ahead of the trip and Honolulu arranges for the inspection (i.e. not through the owner), that way it is covered. The honolulu office maintains copies of your documentation which is all tied to the chip ID. This is for your reference and others that may bring an SD to Hawaii. Hope it helps for any future/repeat visits.

 

Of course I coordinated with Hawaii before my cruise. I was in communication with the Animal Quarantine Station who, because Horton is a Service Dog, allowed me to fax all the information instead of the usual waiting time. They have such strict rules about not opening or pre-reviewing documents unless it is a Service Dog.

The Quarantine Station sent me a Dog & Cat Import Form [from the Dept. of Agriculture], which had to be filled out by me, notarized, and faxed back along with the Vet signed, Aphis 7001 paperwork and a complete itinerary of our cruise. Because he was NOT being quarantined and coming in by cruise ship there was a "5 days or less" fee of $224.00. Then I had to call and set-up an inspection by the Maui Humane Society, with a "Direct Release Specialist", again, because we were coming in via cruise ship. She came to the ship the day we were in Maui. She checked every orifice of Horton's body. And, Horton NEVER went ashore!!!!

There was also the blood draw for the Rabies Titer that cost $245.00, this does not include the current immunizations and Vet visit.

Going to Hawaii with a Service Dog is not cheap by any means. I can't imagine flying in with a pet. What a nightmare!

My other children want their turn on a Hawaii cruise. So, I'm booked for 15 days onboard the Emerald Princess on December 4, 2018. We won't have to get the Rabies Titer again because it's good for 3 years. But, we do have to have Direct Release Specialist again and the Vet check.

[Miki_moto]

 

Going to Hawaii with a Service Dog is not cheap by any means. I can't imagine flying in with a pet. What a nightmare!

We won't have to get the Rabies Titer again because it's good for 3 years. But, we do have to have Direct Release Specialist again and the Vet check.

 

Yikes!

When England required the rabies titer it didn’t expire ~ as long as you kept up to date on vaccinations. Of course, the record was kept in the Pet Passport which the vet filled out and signed. Since there’s no equivalent for the PP in the US but for a year or two we went to England with all the proper forms. When after I got the PP the airline people in Seattle went by the forms.

 

Makes an impromptu trip impossible and hedging your bets by getting the Titer Test done gets kind of expensive! :(

[lostspoke]

Of course I coordinated with Hawaii before my cruise. I was in communication with the Animal Quarantine Station who, because Horton is a Service Dog, allowed me to fax all the information instead of the usual waiting time. They have such strict rules about not opening or pre-reviewing documents unless it is a Service Dog.

 

The Quarantine Station sent me a Dog & Cat Import Form [from the Dept. of Agriculture], which had to be filled out by me, notarized, and faxed back along with the Vet signed, Aphis 7001 paperwork and a complete itinerary of our cruise. Because he was NOT being quarantined and coming in by cruise ship there was a "5 days or less" fee of $224.00. Then I had to call and set-up an inspection by the Maui Humane Society, with a "Direct Release Specialist", again, because we were coming in via cruise ship. She came to the ship the day we were in Maui. She checked every orifice of Horton's body. And, Horton NEVER went ashore!!!!

 

There was also the blood draw for the Rabies Titer that cost $245.00, this does not include the current immunizations and Vet visit.

 

Going to Hawaii with a Service Dog is not cheap by any means. I can't imagine flying in with a pet. What a nightmare!

My other children want their turn on a Hawaii cruise. So, I'm booked for 15 days onboard the Emerald Princess on December 4, 2018. We won't have to get the Rabies Titer again because it's good for 3 years. But, we do have to have Direct Release Specialist again and the Vet check.

 

I am sorry to hear that Roz. AQS waived the "direct release specialist" fees for us and coordinated the inspection onboard the ship and paid them directly. Not sure why they didn't do the same for you. Best of luck for the next trip.

Tommy

[wizard-of-roz]

Good to know, Roz! It would sure make my life easier having it on the balcony, although I wouldn’t think twice about taking him to toilet in my pj’s!

 

I’m sure I got the standard reply since it’s clear whoever handled my request for information didn’t really pay much attention to my email.

 

When I phoned the booking number I was told to add a list of needed information, including what my SD did for me, when I wrote to the access department. Not a problem, I followed all the instructions ~ only to get a reply telling me Nico would be added to my reservation as soon as I told them what tasks he does for me! Now I’m waiting for confirmation that he’s been added to my reservation.

 

A heat wave ~ lucky you! We seem to be stuck in a perpetual weather front of rain, rain and more rain. We had snow for Christmas but now... rain. :(

 

When we rain, we get flash floods that kill and destroy. We desperately need the rain to water our barren waste lands. We live in a double edged sword kind of universe, here in Southern Calif.

[wizard-of-roz]

I am sorry to hear that Roz. AQS waived the "direct release specialist" fees for us and coordinated the inspection onboard the ship and paid them directly. Not sure why they didn't do the same for you. Best of luck for the next trip.

Tommy

 

Tommy, I'm finding this more than disturbing. They really should treat everyone the same. I never expected to get any special dispensation because I have a Service Dog but, had I known that they are capable of waiving the expensive fees for some and not others, I would have insisted they waive it for me. They collected the fees over the phone and would not continue to schedule the inspection until the fees were paid. What a racket!!! :mad:

[lostspoke]

Tommy, I'm finding this more than disturbing. They really should treat everyone the same. I never expected to get any special dispensation because I have a Service Dog but, had I known that they are capable of waiving the expensive fees for some and not others, I would have insisted they waive it for me. They collected the fees over the phone and would not continue to schedule the inspection until the fees were paid. What a racket!!! :mad:

 

I understand. I coordinated the visit a year ahead and work it all through the Honolulu main office.

Tommy

[rpclmc]

:(For some reason I was not able to access cc for a few days.

 

I have been crazy busy getting my books and paperwork (my husband and I own a commercial construction business) ready for the accountant. As well as getting settled into my new place in Florida. I haven't had a lot of free time. But everything is coming together and I anticipate I will be back to working the books/business about 5-10 hours a week, regular cleaning (house here is smaller and easier to keep clean). I plan on doing some minor remodeling, mostly just painting to update, I do have to get the garden tub replaced to a walk in shower.

 

My husband is spending most his time in Idaho managing jobs. Once we are completely debt free, he will be able to winter here with me. With my disease, I become close to immobile with the cold, I just HAVE to spend my time in warmer climates.

 

Nancy, the Eagle is such a wonderful thing to have. In my immediate family, grandpa, dad, 3 brothers, 2 nephews and several cousins we have many Eagles and 3 Silver Beavers (the highest boy scout award given, to adults who have earned their Eagle, then stayed involved for many years beyond).

 

Linda and Halo

[DUTRAVEL]

Tommy, I'm finding this more than disturbing. They really should treat everyone the same. I never expected to get any special dispensation because I have a Service Dog but, had I known that they are capable of waiving the expensive fees for some and not others, I would have insisted they waive it for me. They collected the fees over the phone and would not continue to schedule the inspection until the fees were paid. What a racket!!! :mad:

 

It's different if you go directly into Honolulu - there is no fee because the Dept of Agriculture does the inspection.

 

If your first point of entry is one of the other islands, they charge an inspection fee because they do not have any state inspectors on the other islands and they contract out the inspection to the humane society or a private vet.

 

Danne

Edited February 3, 2018 by DUTRAVEL

[S.S. Cruisers]

Argghh. I have been having problems logging in, also. It lets me get to "signing in" then sits with the little hooly majigger going round and round, saying "waiting for a response". News flash, "I'm waiting, too!" and not very patiently.

Thank you for all the well wishes for Travis, he and I are very excited for his achievements. I believe he will stay involved, he has grown up with the other boys and enjoys going for now. He will 15 and right now has no desire to start driving! Thank you Heavenly Father. Of course that may change with girls getting thrown into the mix. He has had one girl that he "hung out" with for awhile, She is even busier than him, so they are "just friends" now, still see each other every day.

Beckie, great to hear from you! Hope the others check in soon. Miss the updates on how all are doing.

Roz, yes you are the mature one! I love playing mind games with "morons". :p I am glad you found a happy medium that suits you and Horty, not them. You are totally "allowed" to sit and walk where ever you want. Let them move, they are the ones causing the problems. Just like non-smokers (I am one, never smoked) that are sooooo dramatic, coughing and choking, bringing attention to themselves, as they sit right next to a smoking section. I love you to bits! Also, I have never thought about being "tossed" or "falling" over board, but with Travis being a very non-water boy, I can see his caution. He doesn't remember his first cruise and how high the rails really are.

Our niece is on her first cruise! She is loving it and already planning her next one!

Edited February 3, 2018 by S.S. Cruisers
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[Caribbean Chris]

I am sorry to hear that Roz. AQS waived the "direct release specialist" fees for us and coordinated the inspection onboard the ship and paid them directly. Not sure why they didn't do the same for you. Best of luck for the next trip.

Tommy

 

Did you arrive in Honolulu, Oahu? If so, that’s why there were no fees. Direct release is if you arrive on another of the islands where a local vet must be paid (by you) for the inspection.

[wizard-of-roz]

It's different if you go directly into Honolulu - there is no fee because the Dept of Agriculture does the inspection.

 

If your first point of entry is one of the other islands, they charge an inspection fee because they do not have any state inspectors on the other islands and they contract out the inspection to the humane society or a private vet.

 

Danne

 

Exactly! I knew this was the reason and had totally forgotten what the Inspector had told me when she was talking to me on the phone.

 

Thank you for the clarification. She couldn't have been nicer when she was inspecting Horton. I'm always so mindful of how Horton is handled by strangers. He's such a lovely, gently spirited animal, it would break my heart if he was treated badly!

 

Thanks for the clarification.

[wizard-of-roz]

:(For some reason I was not able to access cc for a few days.

 

I have been crazy busy getting my books and paperwork (my husband and I own a commercial construction business) ready for the accountant. As well as getting settled into my new place in Florida. I haven't had a lot of free time. But everything is coming together and I anticipate I will be back to working the books/business about 5-10 hours a week, regular cleaning (house here is smaller and easier to keep clean). I plan on doing some minor remodeling, mostly just painting to update, I do have to get the garden tub replaced to a walk in shower.

 

My husband is spending most his time in Idaho managing jobs. Once we are completely debt free, he will be able to winter here with me. With my disease, I become close to immobile with the cold, I just HAVE to spend my time in warmer climates.

 

Nancy, the Eagle is such a wonderful thing to have. In my immediate family, grandpa, dad, 3 brothers, 2 nephews and several cousins we have many Eagles and 3 Silver Beavers (the highest boy scout award given, to adults who have earned their Eagle, then stayed involved for many years beyond).

 

Linda and Halo

 

Congratulations on your move......take care of yourself! Come to California, we're having a heat wave of all heat wave's. It's above 80 degrees everyday!

[wizard-of-roz]

And, the heat wave goes on. If we had the Santana Winds we'd really be in trouble. So far, so good but hot!