Have you Known Someone Be Put Ashore Early

[Deaf Dude]

This recently happend on an airline, but from what I have heard it was also a policy many years ago on cruiselines. 4 deaf people were told they couldn't fly on Tiger Airlines in Austrailia because they were deaf and needed a care giver to fly with them who could communicate with them. Here is a link to the story

 

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hO6qRL7k31VRltOkZAChkUBwkXVQD8VVH3G80

 

In Jamaica, deaf people are not even allowed to drive. Even in the US many people don't know that deaf people are allowed to drive. One time I was in a book store paying for a book with my credit card (yes, we have t hem too:D ) when the cashier asked me a question. I didn't understand her and told her I was deaf so she asked again. she was asking for my driver's license. I handed it to her and she said " well, if you are deaf, how can you have a driver's license?:eek: It's hard to believe that stuff like this still happens in the world.

[Papasaurus]

I was put off a ship in St. Maarten in January 2006. We were aboard RCI Radiance of the Seas.....to make a really long story shorter, my 19 yr old son brought a friend along on this cruise who was also 19 and we had known him for 10 yrs. Turns out you never really know someone until you are with them 24/7. He was , evidently, on medication for ADD and a few other things and had decided not to take it ( I had no prior knowledge of his conditions) as a result of him trying to jump off the back of the ship we were put off to find our own way home. $3500.00 later we had a flight booked from St. Maarten to Miami then another $1500.00 later we had our flight booked home to St. Louis. I in no way blame RCI for putting us off...it was the right thing to do, although I was freaking out trying to figure out how we would get back to the states, RCI was very helpful in making the travel arrangements. Moral to this story is to never take responsibility for anyone elses child, and if you do make sure you ask the right questions about medical conditions/ medications. As a result of this situation I am not longer able to travel on RCI with a minor in my custody. If anyone has any questions I'd be happy to answer them.....Incidently, I do realize that ADD does not cause most people to react this way , but this kid had more problems than just that.

He is over the age of majority. Sue him to recover the additional costs. Good one for Judge Judy

[australian_girl]

I was in Fiji the week this happened. I remember reading this and watching it on the news there. There was many people upset about this. I have often wondered what happened to this young women. As I haven't heard anything lately about her.

 

Schapelle is still in an Indonesian jail.

[NYCFOD]

It can happen and how would you defend against it???? Schapelle Corby, Australian, is fighting a 20 year prison sentence in Bali for just this reason. I just can't imagine spending 20 years in a foreign prison-away from family and friends, not speaking the language and not having a support system. But it can and does happen.

 

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/asiapcf/05/27/corby.appeal/index.html

 

While I certainly think it is possible for baggage handlers to be smuggling drugs in innocent passengers luggage, Schapelle Corby's defence wouldn't have worked in any court in Australia either. My sister is a barrister and solicitor in Canberra, and the legal community there were of one voice in saying that they wouldn't have had any joy with an Australian court with the baggage handler defence.

 

Barristers and solicitors are a pretty cynical bunch, so I'm probably a lot more sympathetic to Ms. Corby than my sister.

[snoodel]

Actually they will,,, :)

When I was on a mine sweeper,, we would Astern Refuel.. We were too small to Side by Side.. When the lines were released, of coarse you would "Drip" a few gallons over the side.. If you light off a OBA canister and toss it into the drink, it will generate the heat needed and "POP'.. Not a huge explosion,, but a nice M-80 size pop...

And admitted, We only did this one time,, Damn Officers.. Never let us have any fun...

[Philip217]

I know plenty of people who have been put ashore early. Because I am the guy who decides to put them ashore every week.

 

I sent 4 cabins ashore in one day last week. That is the record so far this year. They had all smuggled alcohol onboard, had wild parties, trashed their cabins, upset their neighbors, and generally made nuisances of themselves.

 

They all had the same story: "You can't do this to me."

I always have the same answer: "Watch me".

 

So Ship Security and the local police went to their cabins and escorted them and their suitcases ashore. Two were in handcuffs.

They are lucky it wasn't a US Port; the FBI would have been waiting for them.

 

No refunds, no flights, no hotel arrangements. They are on their own. And they are blacklisted from ever sailing with us again.

[PhoenixCruiser]

I know plenty of people who have been put ashore early. Because I am the guy who decides to put them ashore every week.

 

I sent 4 cabins ashore in one day last week. That is the record so far this year. They had all smuggled alcohol onboard, had wild parties, trashed their cabins, upset their neighbors, and generally made nuisances of themselves.

 

They all had the same story: "You can't do this to me."

I always have the same answer: "Watch me".

 

So Ship Security and the local police went to their cabins and escorted them and their suitcases ashore. Two were in handcuffs.

They are lucky it wasn't a US Port; the FBI would have been waiting for them.

 

No refunds, no flights, no hotel arrangements. They are on their own. And they are blacklisted from ever sailing with us again.

 

I bet their fellow passengers were ecstatic!! Good job :D

 

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[SherriZ366]

I bet their fellow passengers were ecstatic!! Good job :D

 

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Ditto!!!! I have heard of passengers watching the disembarkation of rowdy guests and clapping!!!

[AllieInMD]

I read a thread on one of the boards here where the wife was upset about what happened on their cruise. Her husband was evidently intoxicated and the bartending staff cut him off - he went to other bars trying to get a drink but he was 'flagged' in the system for no more drinks. So the wife decides to go get a drink and give to him. They cut her off too.

 

The why? maybe cuz they feel a duty to save folks from their own stupidity (falling over) - or from being sued by the referenced stupid folks.

 

 

Other than a bartender or server *possibly* having a moral responsibility to try to prevent a passenger from harming themselves or others, I do not believe cruiselines have policies for cutting off intoxicated passengers. Nor should they. The cruiseline is not a babysitter.

 

How can the cruise line be expected to enforce it? How intoxicated should the passenger be? If they are not causing a problem for other passengers, how do you justify cutting them off? Who should enforce it? The bartender?

 

This does occur in bars on land, but the concern is about lawsuits resulting from the customer getting into a car and killing someone.

 

I'm not sure what you mean by "band them". Are you talking about physical restraint, or did you mean "ban" them from the bar?

 

Jeff

[jorgesgirll]

I Seen It Happen Before! It Was On The Carnival Victory In Feb. 2001. It Was No Fault Of The Gentleman Who Had To Be Airlifted Off The Ship! Earlier That Day The Ship Lost One Of Its Stabilizers And It Did A Nasty Tilt!! Later In The Day The Man Had A Heart Attack! The Captain Never Came To Captains Night And We Never Got An Apology Or Anything!, But A Real Good Reason To Drink!!!

 

The Next Day In Puerto Rico The Rest Of The Family And About 4 Other Couples Did Disembark!

A Couple Of My Freinds Have Not Been Back On But I Said Screw It, Nothing Would Ever Keep Me From Cruising!! Atleast Ill Die Doing Something I Loved!!!! Benn Every Year Since!!!!!

Have A Safe And Fun Time Cruising!!!!!

Monica!!

[SherriZ366]

I Seen It Happen Before! It Was On The Carnival Victory In Feb. 2001. It Was No Fault Of The Gentleman Who Had To Be Airlifted Off The Ship! Earlier That Day The Ship Lost One Of Its Stabilizers And It Did A Nasty Tilt!! Later In The Day The Man Had A Heart Attack! The Captain Never Came To Captains Night And We Never Got An Apology Or Anything!, But A Real Good Reason To Drink!!!

 

The Next Day In Puerto Rico The Rest Of The Family And About 4 Other Couples Did Disembark!

A Couple Of My Freinds Have Not Been Back On But I Said Screw It, Nothing Would Ever Keep Me From Cruising!! Atleast Ill Die Doing Something I Loved!!!! Benn Every Year Since!!!!!

Have A Safe And Fun Time Cruising!!!!!

Monica!!

I've seen a couple of medical emergencies by helicopter and boat but I think the actual focus of this thread is people who have been thrown off the ship for rowdy, destructive etc. behavior. I hope the anecdotal information on the thread are indicative of RCI and other cruise lines being pro-active in removing those passengers who have the potential to negatively impact other folks cruises.

[lovebug33]

On my parents last cruise, they showed up to dinner the fourth night and the family that was eating with them was gone. Apparently, the boys (teenagers :eek:) had gone into some restricted access places, wreaked havoc and got caught. Mom and dad were relieved not to have to eat with them for the rest of the cruise :D

[SherriZ366]

On my parents last cruise, they showed up to dinner the fourth night and the family that was eating with them was gone. Apparently, the boys (teenagers :eek:) had gone into some restricted access places, wreaked havoc and got caught. Mom and dad were relieved not to have to eat with them for the rest of the cruise :D

This situation sounds like a prime example of those folks that get tossed out. I would have asked for a change of tables with those types of tablemates.

[cruisemamma99]

It can happen and how would you defend against it???? Schapelle Corby, Australian, is fighting a 20 year prison sentence in Bali for just this reason. I just can't imagine spending 20 years in a foreign prison-away from family and friends, not speaking the language and not having a support system. But it can and does happen.

 

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/asiapcf/05/27/corby.appeal/index.html

 

 

We really don't know if she did have pot in her suitcase, thats the problem I see.

[cruisemamma99]

While I certainly think it is possible for baggage handlers to be smuggling drugs in innocent passengers luggage, Schapelle Corby's defence wouldn't have worked in any court in Australia either. My sister is a barrister and solicitor in Canberra, and the legal community there were of one voice in saying that they wouldn't have had any joy with an Australian court with the baggage handler defence.

 

Barristers and solicitors are a pretty cynical bunch, so I'm probably a lot more sympathetic to Ms. Corby than my sister.

 

 

There's another girl Michelle something that is doing hard time for having esctasy on her. My feeling is those are drugs, and you have to do the time. Pot is the same imo, so all I can say is you have to pay for your actions just like the people on cruiseships that are put ashore. Doesn't bother me a bit! :)

 

 

http://www.stuff.co.nz/AAMB4/aamsz=300x44_MULTILINK/4513376a12.html

[NYCFOD]

There's another girl Michelle something that is doing hard time for having esctasy on her. My feeling is those are drugs, and you have to do the time. Pot is the same imo, so all I can say is you have to pay for your actions just like the people on cruiseships that are put ashore. Doesn't bother me a bit! :)

 

 

http://www.stuff.co.nz/AAMB4/aamsz=300x44_MULTILINK/4513376a12.html

 

Provided the accused/convicted is actually guilty I don't have a problem with what happens to them, even if it's a one way ticket to Changi Prison. Corby's claim was that baggage handlers at Australian airports were stashing drugs in passenger bags to be picked up by coconspirator baggage handlers at the destination. Unfortunately she didn't have any credible evidence that this is what happened in her case.

[odblnt]

Provided the accused/convicted is actually guilty I don't have a problem with what happens to them, even if it's a one way ticket to Changi Prison. Corby's claim was that baggage handlers at Australian airports were stashing drugs in passenger bags to be picked up by coconspirator baggage handlers at the destination. Unfortunately she didn't have any credible evidence that this is what happened in her case.

 

OK, but take a look at these extracts from that article:

 

During the trial, Corby's team was buoyed by news that the Australian Federal Police and Qantas Airways were investigating the role of baggage handlers in a cocaine smuggling operation.

 

The panel of three judges dismissed every defense witness, including testimony from Australia prisoner John Ford, who backed Corby's claim that she was an unwitting "drug mule."

The judges found Corby's defense team unable to prove if there was another person responsible for the drugs.

But her defense team raised concerns about the failure of police to fingerprint the plastic bag containing the drugs or to videotape the search. In addition, a request to have the marijuana tested to reveal its source was denied.

 

 

I'm not saying she did or didn't know about the drugs. The standard of proof in that country is different than many others.

[Cuizer2]

It seems there is a story from 'someone' from almost every sail.

 

Well I've been on ten cruises and I have never seen anyone escorted off the ship.

[Philip217]

On almost every mass market sailing from Miami and New York, at least one cabin is prematurely emptied due to mis-behaving passengers.

 

It is obviously not good for business when passengers see other passengers going off in handcuffs. The cruise lines try to downplay it as much as possible.

 

For the same reasons, even though there is a death on nearly every sailing of a mass market cruise ship, passengers rarely see us taking the body ashore in port.

[SherriZ366]

On almost every mass market sailing from Miami and New York, at least one cabin is prematurely emptied due to mis-behaving passengers.

 

It is obviously not good for business when passengers see other passengers going off in handcuffs. The cruise lines try to downplay it as much as possible.

 

There is a n upside for passengers to see other passengers being kicked off -- they know that RCI is cracking down so that these problem passengers do not spoil their cruise.

[DGNY]

...there is a death on nearly every sailing of a mass market cruise ship

 

Really?

 

Is this because people of questionable health go on cruises anyway? Or is there some other cause?

[English Teacher]

I agree with you, Sherri--that was my first reaction to these fascinating stories!

 

The worst I have personally seen was when the people at the next table had a very noisy birthday party that really bothered us--hysterical, overly loud and long laughter, pounding on the table, etc.--we managed to grit our teeth and say, "They're just having fun," but then we went to the show and they came in and sat behind us. They were very drunk, and disrupted everything. Someone came in and escorted them out, and we did not see them again for the rest of the cruise.

 

Lou-Ann

[Retired LEO]

Really?

 

Is this because people of questionable health go on cruises anyway? Or is there some other cause?

 

Keep in mind that cruise ships now are like small cities. People die in your home town every day. Cruise ships are no different.

[Cuizer2]

Keep in mind that cruise ships now are like small cities. People die in your home town every day. Cruise ships are no different.

 

I hope there is a difference, because in my home town people die from traffic accidents and shootings. I would hope this is not a problem on the cruise ship.

[celle]

Really?

 

Is this because people of questionable health go on cruises anyway? Or is there some other cause?

 

I think it's because many cruisers fit the demographic for heart attacks and strokes - age group, many overweight, etc.