If you cruised with new smoking policy, what do you think?

[leroy.p.bedwetter]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure smoking vs. non-smoking isn't a viable reason that a certain lounge, club, or facility is or isn't well attended. That just seems a little too far fetched to even consider.

 

If we were to use that logic then I guess out in California all the dining establishments should have closed their doors and gone out of business when the non smoking laws went into effect....

 

 

 

Progressive cities in the United States have made smoking in public buildings illegal. That includes office building, stores, restaurants, bars, theaters, etc. When the law was proposed in my city, many business owners claimed that a smoking ban would negatively impact their business. There is no research to support this line of thinking, however, bars claimed that alcohol sales would decline, restaurants claimed that customers would go to neighboring towns to eat where smoking was allowed, etc..

Kentucky is a big tobacco producing state, thus, our income is directly impacted by the tobacco industry. Yet, several Kentucky cities have laws related to public smoking.

In my city, now that the law has been in place for a while, everyone has grown used to it and complaints are no more. Some businesses have actually reported an increase in business. What was not considered prior to the law was that the number of nonsmokers significantly outnumbers smokers. It appears that nonsmokers were staying away from businesses to avoid the smoke. Now that smoke is not an issue, traffic and sales in some establishments has increased.

My dad was a smoker all his life. He stated at 12 and smoked until his death at 82. He never contracted cancer or any lung related illness. However, my mother, who has never been a smoker, is currently dealing, in addition to lung and heart issues, with her third type of cancer. All related, according to the doctors, to second hand smoke. Thus, while my father did not pay any consequences for his smoking, he has caused my mother much pain.

Before I get flamed for “blaming my father” for my mother’s illness, I want to point out that when my father smoked around my mother, the dangers of second hand smoke were not known. As soon as he learned the impact, he began taking great lengths to ensure that neither she, nor anyone else in the family, was exposed to his smoke. It was just too late at that point.

Today, we know the impact of second hand smoke, yet, we continue to subject others to tobacco smoke. I believe that everyone has a right to smoke, however, I believe that your rights end where my begin and my right to breath clean air trumps the right to pollute it. It will not hurt the smoker to breath clean air, however, everyone's health is risked when breathing in tobacco smoke. Screw up your own health if you wish, however, don't try to screw mine us as well.

[halos]

Piano Bar now smoke free.....you bet I'll set and have a drink in there now ! Before I couldn't stand the smoke !

 

Geez relax already, enjoy your smoke free piano bar. Some of you anti-smokers are so over the top LOL.

 

How was that 'over the top'??? :confused:

 

;) Ooops, never mind. I see the LOL now that you pointed it out...sorry :)

[farler05]

While I don't question the gallop poll, I would think that there is a good chance that Carnival cruises would have a higher percentage of passengers that smoke than what the poll says or what the national average is due to the fact that Carnival is pretty much the cheapest out there and it's no secret that a higher percentage of smokers are in the lower income brackets.

 

The fact that Carnival has / had the most liberal smoking policies of all the major lines would also cause the number to be higher.

 

I have a couple of friends who smoke that are in the higher income brackets and they prefer Carnival over other cruise lines so I do think smokers are drawn to Carnival.

 

Another factor that would cause the percentage of smokers to be higher on some sailings would be shorter cruises which of course are cheaper.

 

Just my two cents.

But wouldn't it also be true that the higher percentage of smokers in that lower income brackets can't afford to cruise? You're lumping welfare recipients & people below the poverty line in to say that Carnival has a higher percentage of smokers than the general population. I hardly think they'd be cruising & raising the percentage of passengers on Carnival cruises who smoke.

 

In 2009, 31% of adults below the federal poverty level smoked, compared with 19% of those at or above the poverty level.2†

o Thirty-two percent of men below the poverty level were smokers compared with 22% of men at or above poverty level.

o Twenty-six percent of women below the poverty line were smokers compared with 17% of women at or above poverty level.

• In 2009, there were nearly 17 million poor or near poor current smokers aged 18 or over in the United States.3†

• More unemployed adults smoke (42%) than adults working full or part time (26% and 24%, respectively).4

[Ratt]

But wouldn't it also be true that the higher percentage of smokers in that lower income brackets can't afford to cruise? You're lumping welfare recipients & people below the poverty line in to say that Carnival has a higher percentage of smokers than the general population. I hardly think they'd be cruising & raising the percentage of passengers on Carnival cruises who smoke.

 

In 2009, 31% of adults below the federal poverty level smoked, compared with 19% of those at or above the poverty level.2†

o Thirty-two percent of men below the poverty level were smokers compared with 22% of men at or above poverty level.

o Twenty-six percent of women below the poverty line were smokers compared with 17% of women at or above poverty level.

• In 2009, there were nearly 17 million poor or near poor current smokers aged 18 or over in the United States.3†

• More unemployed adults smoke (42%) than adults working full or part time (26% and 24%, respectively).4

 

Agreed that very few if any people below the poverty level are cruising, but you never know. I see plenty of people on government assistance driving around in some very nice vehicles. :mad:

 

There's really no way to truly know what the percentages are but in general I would think that Carnival attracts a higher percentage of smokers due to the fact that smokers tend to be on the lower end of the income scale and Carnival tends to be on the lower end of the cruise pricing scale.

 

Kind of like how all the rich snobs that don't smoke are drawn to Celebrity. ;)

[lego7191]

Okay, I am a non-smoker but have plenty of smoking friends. My last cruise was in April. What are the differences in the smoking policy from then until now? In April, I saw people on the decks smoking (on one side of the ship - can't remember which side) which seems to still be allowed now, correct? And I saw people in the casino smoking, and they have a smoking section in the casino now, from what I read. So what are the differences? They aren't allowing smoking in the piano bar now, I gathered that much. And I understand the Dec 1 cutoff for smoking in the staterooms, but other than that, what am I missing regarding where smoking is allowed?

 

My sister is a smoker and whatever these changes are will affect her, so I'd kind of like to give her a heads-up, but I don't know what to tell her the differences are compared to the last time we cruised. Thanks for any help or clarification! (and yes I have read the smoking policy that someone copied and pasted here but it really seems to me that not much has changed, but I figured as a non-smoker, I never really knew what the former restrictions or allowances were)

[Shipbound]

One of the posts said the amount of people in the clubs, ect depends on the type of guests on the ship, more single people, the more active the ship and they spend money, if the ship has many more families that is a different story. That is my take on the subject.

[itchin2cruz]

I just got back from the Fascination and didn't notice any big difference at all. I did notice however that the Fascination had more smokers than any cruise we have been on and the only cruise I have been on where smokers and non-smokers got along fabulously lol. Never heard the first gripe or complaint and there were alot of non-smokers sitting on the smoking side of the Lido deck. One group of non-smokers told us they didn't smoke but chose to sit on the side with the cool people (seriously and that is not necessarily my opinion so don't flame me lol).

[mousey]

I personally don't understand it at all.

Smoking causes cancer, its a fact! Second hand smoke causes cancer, some say its a fact, some don't, either way don't do it around me! I don't have a death wish! I'm extremely happy about the limiting of smoke pollution on the ships. And by the way, even though I don't smoke, I'm considered to be be a pretty "cool", fun person. However, to each his own, I would never tell someone not to smoke, just not around me or my family, thank you!:D

[harleydiver]

Progressive cities in the United States have made smoking in public buildings illegal. That includes office building, stores, restaurants, bars, theaters, etc. When the law was proposed in my city, many business owners claimed that a smoking ban would negatively impact their business. There is no research to support this line of thinking, however, bars claimed that alcohol sales would decline, restaurants claimed that customers would go to neighboring towns to eat where smoking was allowed, etc..

Kentucky is a big tobacco producing state, thus, our income is directly impacted by the tobacco industry. Yet, several Kentucky cities have laws related to public smoking.

In my city, now that the law has been in place for a while, everyone has grown used to it and complaints are no more. Some businesses have actually reported an increase in business. What was not considered prior to the law was that the number of nonsmokers significantly outnumbers smokers. It appears that nonsmokers were staying away from businesses to avoid the smoke. Now that smoke is not an issue, traffic and sales in some establishments has increased.

My dad was a smoker all his life. He stated at 12 and smoked until his death at 82. He never contracted cancer or any lung related illness. However, my mother, who has never been a smoker, is currently dealing, in addition to lung and heart issues, with her third type of cancer. All related, according to the doctors, to second hand smoke. Thus, while my father did not pay any consequences for his smoking, he has caused my mother much pain.

Before I get flamed for “blaming my father” for my mother’s illness, I want to point out that when my father smoked around my mother, the dangers of second hand smoke were not known. As soon as he learned the impact, he began taking great lengths to ensure that neither she, nor anyone else in the family, was exposed to his smoke. It was just too late at that point.

Today, we know the impact of second hand smoke, yet, we continue to subject others to tobacco smoke. I believe that everyone has a right to smoke, however, I believe that your rights end where my begin and my right to breath clean air trumps the right to pollute it. It will not hurt the smoker to breath clean air, however, everyone's health is risked when breathing in tobacco smoke. Screw up your own health if you wish, however, don't try to screw mine us as well.

The progressive cities really don't care about their businesses--they're more concerned with being politically correct. On the other hand, Carnival is concerned with making money. If smokers in the casino cannot find a smoking machine to play because they are full and the non-smoking machines are empty, they will play on a non-smoking machine for a short while, leave, and not return. When the non-smokers go to bed at 11:00 PM, the casino will be half empty. Personally, if I find it difficult to vape in the casino on my cruise next week because someone is afraid that vapor looks like smoke, I won't be donating my usual $100+ per day. The bottom line is if the new policy affects Carnival's bottom line, the policy will be adjusted in a hurry.

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Personally, if I find it difficult to vape in the casino on my cruise next week because someone is afraid that vapor looks like smoke, I won't be donating my usual $100+ per day. The bottom line is if the new policy affects Carnival's bottom line, the policy will be adjusted in a hurry.

 

Do come back here and report on your vaping experience in the casino after your cruise

[Proudairborne/RangerMom]

Just returned from the Glory. Sports Bar, Piano Bar....EMPTY! Piano Bar had at best 6 - 10 people every night when we were in there or passed by it at various times. The piano player was actually good on this Ship so it wasn't due to anything on his part. We saw him on another Ship this past year and the Piano Bar was packed (but that was when there was smoking).

 

The Jazz Club which is smoking had people every night and was definitely busier than when it was a smoke-free lounge. The smoking side of Lido was busier than the non-smoking side and quite a few of the tables on the Smoking side had non-smokers sitting at them. The lounge chairs were full on the Smoking side and the Non-smoking side had plenty available. Saw no difference in Casino....Smoking tables and machines were busy and Non-Smoking machines had a few people playing and the tables were empty. The Casino Bar which is 1/2 Smoking and 1/2 Non-Smoking was always busy on the Smoking side and the Non-Smoking side was empty except on occasion with one couple now and then.

 

Wow, sounds like your cruise had an awful lot of smokers! I hope there are less on our cruise. I don't mind the ships that have one side designated for smokers like say port side non smoking and star board side smoking. When they have clearly defined areas it is easy to be able to avoid them esp don't want a cabin that was smoked in. It's not that I have anything at all against people who want to smoke but I have asthma and this cruise my 8 yr old grandson will be accompanying us and I don't like exposing his precious lungs to smoke. Now if they could just tell the men and women who feel the need to bathe in their colognes perhaps I wouldn't even need to bring my inhaler and nebulizor! LOL I swear some of those stink worse then the cigerette smoke! If anyone else has asthma they will understand how the smoke and smells of so much perfume abosolutely just suck all the air out of you lungs and it's hell to fight to breathe. want to smoke go ahead just be mindful of others and we all want to smell good and wear colognes but a little less would be awesome!

 

I think after the fires that have occured on board it will be a good thing to stop the smoking in the cabins, esp the balcony ones where even though they tell you not to throw your butts overboard many do and the wind sometimes is so strong it blows the head of your cigarrette right off and causes someone to get burned or worse like on the star a fire.

 

just my two cents worth...happy cruising all

[Proudairborne/RangerMom]

Yes, I'm a smoker, and was somewhat unhappy to see the new smoking policy announced just after I booked my first cruise on Carnival. Having said that, and as I told my companion, I'll just make the best of it. If I go to a bar/club/casino and want to have a smoke, well, I'll just step outside and have one, and come back when I'm done. Here in NJ, there is no smoking in ANY bars or restaurants... while I did enjoy not having to leave a bar to have a smoke, this will be just like home... except the weather on deck should be better.

 

Now if they could only find a way to get the smoke smell off the people when they step back inside then those of us with asthma and allergies will be able to breathe! It's not just the first hand smoke if you only knew how much you effect others even after you smoke. And what about all the children and their little pure virgin lungs! I wish they had different ships for smokers and non smokers, not just one ship with few sailings for non smokers. We should have just as much right to clean air to breath as the smokers have for breathe their polluted air without polluting the rest of us. I'm sorry but it is so harmful and smells horrible to boot I've gone into bad asthma attacks because someone at our dining table kept going out every ten minutes to have a cigarette, by the third time my airways were shutting down and let me tell you that hurts and it gets down right scary when you aren't able to open them and what if you can't??? don't any smokers realize how harmful this is and can be down right deadly too? You smell worse after you smoke then while you are smoking and it still is harmful. I know you are all addicted to it so was my parents and it killed them both, but getting off it is the best thing you can do for yourselved and your loved ones. I wish you all the best in becoming unhooked from such a bad addiction.

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Now if they could only find a way to get the smoke smell off the people when they step back inside then those of us with asthma and allergies will be able to breathe! It's not just the first hand smoke if you only knew how much you effect others even after you smoke. And what about all the children and their little pure virgin lungs! I wish they had different ships for smokers and non smokers, not just one ship with few sailings for non smokers. We should have just as much right to clean air to breath as the smokers have for breathe their polluted air without polluting the rest of us. I'm sorry but it is so harmful and smells horrible to boot I've gone into bad asthma attacks because someone at our dining table kept going out every ten minutes to have a cigarette, by the third time my airways were shutting down and let me tell you that hurts and it gets down right scary when you aren't able to open them and what if you can't??? don't any smokers realize how harmful this is and can be down right deadly too? You smell worse after you smoke then while you are smoking and it still is harmful. I know you are all addicted to it so was my parents and it killed them both, but getting off it is the best thing you can do for yourselved and your loved ones. I wish you all the best in becoming unhooked from such a bad addiction.

 

Smokers will never be able to do anything to satisfy some of the non-smokers....it should be enough that they're banished from "polite society" but it seems even that isn't good enough.

 

My son is very allergic to perfumes and when someone walks into his store wearing perfume he begins sneezing and his allergies really kick in. So, to him, your perfumes are truly disagreeable....just sayin....

[happy cruzer]

Okay, I am a non-smoker but have plenty of smoking friends. My last cruise was in April. What are the differences in the smoking policy from then until now? In April, I saw people on the decks smoking (on one side of the ship - can't remember which side) which seems to still be allowed now, correct? And I saw people in the casino smoking, and they have a smoking section in the casino now, from what I read. So what are the differences? They aren't allowing smoking in the piano bar now, I gathered that much. And I understand the Dec 1 cutoff for smoking in the staterooms, but other than that, what am I missing regarding where smoking is allowed?

 

My sister is a smoker and whatever these changes are will affect her, so I'd kind of like to give her a heads-up, but I don't know what to tell her the differences are compared to the last time we cruised. Thanks for any help or clarification! (and yes I have read the smoking policy that someone copied and pasted here but it really seems to me that not much has changed, but I figured as a non-smoker, I never really knew what the former restrictions or allowances were)

 

Depending on which ship you sail, in addition to the piano bar a couple more of the lounges should be no smoking. It seems the disco and one other lounge will allow smoking and the rest will be no smoking, at least that's how I read the policy. That's why this thread was supposed to be about what folks were experiencing on the ships:o vs. a debate on the policy:).

 

Thanks to those who gave us some new info. I'll get to see for my self in about 2 montsh.

[Blondie008]

Now if they could only find a way to get the smoke smell off the people when they step back inside then those of us with asthma and allergies will be able to breathe! It's not just the first hand smoke if you only knew how much you effect others even after you smoke. And what about all the children and their little pure virgin lungs! I wish they had different ships for smokers and non smokers, not just one ship with few sailings for non smokers. We should have just as much right to clean air to breath as the smokers have for breathe their polluted air without polluting the rest of us. I'm sorry but it is so harmful and smells horrible to boot I've gone into bad asthma attacks because someone at our dining table kept going out every ten minutes to have a cigarette, by the third time my airways were shutting down and let me tell you that hurts and it gets down right scary when you aren't able to open them and what if you can't??? don't any smokers realize how harmful this is and can be down right deadly too? You smell worse after you smoke then while you are smoking and it still is harmful. I know you are all addicted to it so was my parents and it killed them both, but getting off it is the best thing you can do for yourselved and your loved ones. I wish you all the best in becoming unhooked from such a bad addiction.

 

Nope, dont buy into an asthma attack brought in by someone who has GONE for a smoke...

"Virgin lungs"... I live in very rural countryside, NO POLLUTION, FACT - As a smoker I have lower carbon monoxide levels that an average non smoker living in the city.

Asthma is brought on by pollution, not just smoking!

Yes, indeed we are addicted, and many of us would like to stop. BUT, whilst we do, we do our research and CHOOSE to cruise on lines which make adequate provisions for us. I LOVE Celebrity, dont cruise with them anymore, most of our group smokes, parties, are fairly well off,(thus price is not the issue) so speak with our $$$$$$$s and take them elsewhere.

IF your asthma is so bad, that, one would have an attack by someone who has exhaled their cigarette LONG time before they reached the dining table, suggest YOU do the same as us, choose a cruise line which meets your demands. They are plenty out there now.

Personally, I think this will be our last 14 nights on a cruise ship, although I am trying to stop, I doubt most of my friends will. Sooner or later, Carnival will join the others, In the meantime however, I WILL enjoy my cruise(s), smoke on my balcony, hell, even go for a cigarette after dinner...

So, do avoid me please, I wouldnt like to bring on your asthma attack by walking past you..

 

Will give you this though!

SMOKING & NON SMOKING SHIPS..FAB IDEA!

Can guess which one where the ship would be rockin, the people talking, the party swinging, and the cash till ringing!

[RuthlessBoss]

Nope, dont buy into an asthma attack brought in by someone who has GONE for a smoke...

"Virgin lungs"... I live in very rural countryside, NO POLLUTION, FACT - As a smoker I have lower carbon monoxide levels that an average non smoker living in the city.

Asthma is brought on by pollution, not just smoking!

Yes, indeed we are addicted, and many of us would like to stop. BUT, whilst we do, we do our research and CHOOSE to cruise on lines which make adequate provisions for us. I LOVE Celebrity, dont cruise with them anymore, most of our group smokes, parties, are fairly well off,(thus price is not the issue) so speak with our $$$$$$$s and take them elsewhere.

IF your asthma is so bad, that, one would have an attack by someone who has exhaled their cigarette LONG time before they reached the dining table, suggest YOU do the same as us, choose a cruise line which meets your demands. They are plenty out there now.

Personally, I think this will be our last 14 nights on a cruise ship, although I am trying to stop, I doubt most of my friends will. Sooner or later, Carnival will join the others, In the meantime however, I WILL enjoy my cruise(s), smoke on my balcony, hell, even go for a cigarette after dinner...

So, do avoid me please, I wouldnt like to bring on your asthma attack by walking past you..

 

Will give you this though!

SMOKING & NON SMOKING SHIPS..FAB IDEA!

Can guess which one where the ship would be rockin, the people talking, the party swinging, and the cash till ringing!

Non smokers with allergies, asthma etc. got their problems either genetically or from many sources, not always smoke induced. They refuse to accept causes to be from smog, household chemicals, car emissions etc. If they have an attack at home, what do they blame then?

[vermonter16]

I no longer smoke....but I want to know for those that are so up and up on the second hand smoke issue - and your health, etc....how many of you drive gas guzzling SUVs and toxic chemicals to clean your houses? The OP above and I were thinking the exact same thing....

 

And where were all those asthma attacks on the airplanes and office buildings back when everybody smoked inside? Not that I'm advocating that at all....but people are soooooo sensitive now...

 

Sheesh....get a grip and toughen up. And when you stop driving your vehicle and start eating organic only foods, and only use non-toxic products to do cleaning - get back on here and let us know...because all that stuff is affecting my health too - not to mention the overall environment - way more than any secondhand smoke ever did.

[mousey]

Smoking and second hand smoke cause cancer!

 

Enough said!

[Ratt]

Smoking and second hand smoke cause cancer!

 

Enough said!

 

and so does breathing ;)

[Lady_831]

It's a not big issue for me as it rarely happens anymore, but there was a point in my life where my asthma was severe enough that my breathing was affected just being in the presence of someone who had just finished smoking. I had to use my inhaler in those instances.

 

As long as smokers smoke in the designated areas, I don't have a problem with it. There is a way for both parties to co-exist...lol

[hockeygirl14]

I liked the policy. I felt it was enforced and the smokers on our ship were courteous to the nonsmokers.

[leroy.p.bedwetter]

The progressive cities really don't care about their businesses--they're more concerned with being politically correct. On the other hand, Carnival is concerned with making money. If smokers in the casino cannot find a smoking machine to play because they are full and the non-smoking machines are empty, they will play on a non-smoking machine for a short while, leave, and not return. When the non-smokers go to bed at 11:00 PM, the casino will be half empty. Personally, if I find it difficult to vape in the casino on my cruise next week because someone is afraid that vapor looks like smoke, I won't be donating my usual $100+ per day. The bottom line is if the new policy affects Carnival's bottom line, the policy will be adjusted in a hurry.

 

Bull. Show me the research that ties smoking to revenue. Just as smokers claim that they will stay away because they are not allowed to smoke where they want to, there are non-smokers who stay away because of the smoke. Non-smokers greatly outnumber smokers. Your empty cabin resulting from your decision to stay away will be quickly filled by a non-smoker.

 

Again, you have the right to smoke. I have the right to clean air and my right to clean air trumps your right to blow smoke.

 

With the knowledge we have today of the health issues associated with smoking makes we wonder why anyone would smoke. Why no just jump in front of a bus, it would be a quicker and less painful death.

[leroy.p.bedwetter]

and so does breathing ;)

 

That statement is just stupid.

[Ratt]

That statement is just stupid.

 

Really? Did you not notice the little wink?

[babies12]

Now if they could only find a way to get the smoke smell off the people when they step back inside then those of us with asthma and allergies will be able to breathe! It's not just the first hand smoke if you only knew how much you effect others even after you smoke. And what about all the children and their little pure virgin lungs! I wish they had different ships for smokers and non smokers, not just one ship with few sailings for non smokers. We should have just as much right to clean air to breath as the smokers have for breathe their polluted air without polluting the rest of us. I'm sorry but it is so harmful and smells horrible to boot I've gone into bad asthma attacks because someone at our dining table kept going out every ten minutes to have a cigarette, by the third time my airways were shutting down and let me tell you that hurts and it gets down right scary when you aren't able to open them and what if you can't??? don't any smokers realize how harmful this is and can be down right deadly too? You smell worse after you smoke then while you are smoking and it still is harmful. I know you are all addicted to it so was my parents and it killed them both, but getting off it is the best thing you can do for yourselved and your loved ones. I wish you all the best in becoming unhooked from such a bad addiction.

 

OMG! You got to be kidding me! I'm just floored by this post. Please go back into your bubble and stay put.