Casino "Vault"

[Bunkie103]

I love that machine that pushes the quarters. One NCL cruise we were on we ran into a Nor'easter. EVERYONE was sick. Only a few of us hardy souls roaming around. I played the slots for a while because DH was sick and it was the middle of the day. I was sitting near one of those quarter machines and kept hearing the quarters falling as the ship rocked and pitched. Must admit as they fell I appropriated them.....it was me or the next person in the casino!:rolleyes:

[dljones]

This seems crazy. So you have to line up the key perfectly then hope that it's your turn for it to pay out? I mean that's tougher than a slot machine. At least a slot will pay out, no skill required.

 

I don't think that is true. I watched a lot of players on our most recent cruise and the machine does what it does. No matter where you think you have to stop it, it goes a bit further or less and no payout. I even saw it go through the keyhole but not pay out. So, I think it is less a game of skill than of chance. IF you get it in the general area AND the machine is set to pay out it does. Just my two cents...

[golfadj]

I don't think that is true. I watched a lot of players on our most recent cruise and the machine does what it does. No matter where you think you have to stop it, it goes a bit further or less and no payout. I even saw it go through the keyhole but not pay out. So, I think it is less a game of skill than of chance. IF you get it in the general area AND the machine is set to pay out it does. Just my two cents...

 

Very disappointing

[trizzou]

I thought I was going to shed some light on this machine but I see most people already knew how it works. It has a "payout schedule" that can be set so the owner still makes an ROI (return on investment) regardless of how big the prize is. Just like slot machines and crane machines.

 

I'm assuming SOME skill is involved even when it's time to payout, I'm sure you have to get somewhere near the keyhole.

[golfadj]

I thought I was going to shed some light on this machine but I see most people already knew how it works. It has a "payout schedule" that can be set so the owner still makes an ROI (return on investment) regardless of how big the prize is. Just like slot machines and crane machines.

 

I'm assuming SOME skill is involved even when it's time to payout, I'm sure you have to get somewhere near the keyhole.

 

Cant believe we had no clue this was going on.

[trizzou]

Cant believe we had no clue this was going on.

 

I just figured it out not too long ago myself. When I started researching my upcoming cruises I saw a video of people playing it and thought it looked interesting.. after digging around I found this:

 

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B3SmqkZkICgvOGU5NjQ0MDktMmEyNy00MjE5LWFlNzYtOTMxNGY0M2ZlNjE1/edit?hl=en_US&pli=1

 

The real name for this machine (as someone else mentioned) is the Sega Keymaster.. that link is the page of the setup manual that shows how to change the payoff for each row. You'll notice each row can be set to payoff after up to 9999 "credits".. and by default 1 credit is $1. I'm not saying Carnival has them set to 9999 but that's the max. You can also make each row different so I'm sure the bottom rows are set lower. I guess if you see 9998 other people put a dollar in it's time to play :D

Edited July 21, 2012 by trizzou

[kansas kruiser]

I just figured it out not too long ago myself. When I started researching my upcoming cruises I saw a video of people playing it and thought it looked interesting.. after digging around I found this:

 

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B3SmqkZkICgvOGU5NjQ0MDktMmEyNy00MjE5LWFlNzYtOTMxNGY0M2ZlNjE1/edit?hl=en_US&pli=1

 

The real name for this machine (as someone else mentioned) is the Sega Keymaster.. that link is the page of the setup manual that shows how to change the payoff for each row. You'll notice each row can be set to payoff after up to 9999 "credits".. and by default 1 credit is $1. I'm not saying Carnival has them set to 9999 but that's the max. You can also make each row different so I'm sure the bottom rows are set lower. I guess if you see 9998 other people put a dollar in it's time to play :D

:cool: Isn't that kinda the same way slot machines are set to pay off?? Just asking!!:)

[jrmende63]

Just returned from a B2B on the Glory. The Casino Vault game is a major rip off. I never once played it but found it interesting how Carnival would take one iPad and some money out of the machine halfway through each cruise to give the appearance that someone won something. If people are winning as Carnival says they are, that means on back to back cruises on the Glory, they gave away 2 iPads and about $3000 in 9 days.

My brother in law won the iPad and the 500 cash attached to it...so folks do win.

[yogimax]

My brother in law won the iPad and the 500 cash attached to it...so folks do win.

 

No one is saying that folks don't win. Obviously, they do.

 

The point is that a lot more money will go into the machine than will come out.

[WinnipegCruiser]

No one is saying that folks don't win. Obviously, they do.

 

The point is that a lot more money will go into the machine than will come out.

 

Ahhh ya... it is a casino game. All of the casino games are exactly like that.

 

Big difference though is that this game DOES NOT give you points towards 'free' drinks.

 

[CruiserCindy]

were you on the 6/10 glory cruise? my brother in law was the guy who won. I was in the comedy show and he walked in with the thousand cash money in hand.

 

Hi Yes i was. He had already won when i saw him ,and was trying again!Lots of people playing,I just enjoyed watching!!!!!!!

[kansas kruiser]

No one is saying that folks don't win. Obviously, they do.

 

The point is that a lot more money will go into the machine than will come out.

:cool: Isn't that the point of a Casino??:confused: They don't build those big Ol' casino's because everybody wins!!:eek:

[trizzou]

:cool: Isn't that kinda the same way slot machines are set to pay off?? Just asking!!:)

 

Yup, same thing. The only difference is people see these and think it's actually based on skill. I used to think the same thing... I was crushed the day I found out that crane machines had a payout schedule too, lol.

[Geezers]

I just figured it out not too long ago myself. When I started researching my upcoming cruises I saw a video of people playing it and thought it looked interesting.. after digging around I found this:

 

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B3SmqkZkICgvOGU5NjQ0MDktMmEyNy00MjE5LWFlNzYtOTMxNGY0M2ZlNjE1/edit?hl=en_US&pli=1

 

The real name for this machine (as someone else mentioned) is the Sega Keymaster.. that link is the page of the setup manual that shows how to change the payoff for each row. You'll notice each row can be set to payoff after up to 9999 "credits".. and by default 1 credit is $1. I'm not saying Carnival has them set to 9999 but that's the max. You can also make each row different so I'm sure the bottom rows are set lower. I guess if you see 9998 other people put a dollar in it's time to play :D

 

You are close on this but read the chart wrong. One credit is 1 coin. That means that $1 = 4 credits. Max setting at 9999 credits would be 2499.75 before changing to skill mode for the true player control. Of course this could be changed to $9999.00 if they disabled the coin slots and only ran the bill acceptor with a 1 bill = 1 credit setting.

The question is - - Do the coin mechs work on these machines ?

 

 

 

[CRJ700]

You are close on this but read the chart wrong. One credit is 1 coin. That means that $1 = 4 credits. Max setting at 9999 credits would be 2499.75 before changing to skill mode for the true player control. Of course this could be changed to $9999.00 if they disabled the coin slots and only ran the bill acceptor with a 1 bill = 1 credit setting.

The question is - - Do the coin mechs work on these machines ?

 

 

 

 

Dollar bills only. $1 = 1 play.

[Geezers]

Dollar bills only. $1 = 1 play.

 

Then they are paying back about 10% of revenue taken in . Fairly standard in high turnover locations with few regular repeat customers.

[clhayes]

Dream Feb 2012 Galveston my friend got the key in and won the iPad and $500. right in front of me. Very popular game. OP give it a rest! I know Carnival casinos very well for years in fact. This could not be further from the truth.

[1PCcruiser]

Just like Presidential candidates............I don't trust any of them!

[willyy]

Hi Yes i was. He had already won when i saw him ,and was trying again!Lots of people playing,I just enjoyed watching!!!!!!!

He put $20 in to start and won on the 19th dollar, he dumped another $100 back in thinking he could win the IPad and $500

[Tutankhamen]

I know Carnival casinos very well for years in fact. This could not be further from the truth.

 

 

So, you do know that the game is programed to allow wins after a certain amount of money has been deposited in the machine?

 

I watched the game for a long time on the Dream. About 90% of the time the player over shot the hole. If it was all skill then reason would tell you that it should be closer to a 50 50 split with going above the hole and going below the hole. The machine can not stop it short as the machine doesn't know which hole you are going to. So the only way the machine can keep you from winning is to keep moving a fraction of a second after you let go so it misses the hole.

 

If you stand far enough back so you can see the players hand and the key, you will see that every time the machine rides above the hole it runs a fraction of a second longer then the player held the button. When it falls short (only can happen do to player letting go to early) the key stops moving at the exact moment the player lets go.

 

The machine will allow a payout once it reaches a certain amount of take. After the take has been reached, the first player with the skill to get key in hole will win.

[golfadj]

So, you do know that the game is programed to allow wins after a certain amount of money has been deposited in the machine?

 

I watched the game for a long time on the Dream. About 90% of the time the player over shot the hole. If it was all skill then reason would tell you that it should be closer to a 50 50 split with going above the hole and going below the hole. The machine can not stop it short as the machine doesn't know which hole you are going to. So the only way the machine can keep you from winning is to keep moving a fraction of a second after you let go so it misses the hole.

 

If you stand far enough back so you can see the players hand and the key, you will see that every time the machine rides above the hole it runs a fraction of a second longer then the player held the button. When it falls short (only can happen do to player letting go to early) the key stops moving at the exact moment the player lets go.

 

The machine will allow a payout once it reaches a certain amount of take. After the take has been reached, the first player with the skill to get key in hole will win.

 

Will have to watch for this on our next cruise.

[yogimax]

 

So, you do know that the game is programed to allow wins after a certain amount of money has been deposited in the machine?

 

 

This is probably not true.

 

If the machine has the same chip as a basic slot machine, it contains a RNG (random number generator). On a slot, as soon as the spin button is hit, the chip will generate a random number which correspnds to a physical payout.

 

Thus, it is possible that a jackpot could go thousands of spins before being hit or could be hit on consecutive spins.

 

It is my guess that this machine contains the same type of RNG. So it would be possible to see multiple people win in a short period of time.

 

It would be too easy to figure out if the machine paid out only when a certain dollar amount was put in. Then simply stand there and count.

[FlipFlopCruiser]

Just returned from a B2B on the Glory. The Casino Vault game is a major rip off. I never once played it but found it interesting how Carnival would take one iPad and some money out of the machine halfway through each cruise to give the appearance that someone won something. If people are winning as Carnival says they are, that means on back to back cruises on the Glory, they gave away 2 iPads and about $3000 in 9 days.

 

 

Did i miss it when the OP came back to answer the question about whether or not he actually SAW what he claims Carnival does?

[Tom-n-Cheryl]

Watched this game for several minutes on the Liberty... saw many people come very close (key word: close).

 

It did not LOOK hard (I thought the people playing it were simply not well coordinated, LOL) but I chose to spend my $ elsewhere.

 

I'll do it for fun (perhaps $10) on our next trip.

 

Tom

[Shaded Lady]

Just got off the Paradise... 10 year old boy won $100- never saw a little kid so excited!