Norwegian Escape - Smoke issue still there?

[disneywackerdh]

This is a shame. Yes, that is the article I read. Kind of irresponsible of the author not to retract it after it has gone over a year without NCL actually doing what they say. I've been on the Getaway and I don't remember the atrium area being as much as a problem as people claim on here for the Getaway/Breakaway/Escape, but I was hoping that at least the casino would be part smoke-free now.

[Casino Comp Chick]

I asked....on what cruise ships. Common sense says a cruise ship casino with a captive audience is not the same as a land based casino where people can go somewhere else to gamble.

 

As for Paradise, that was not a casino experimentation. That was a whole ship experimentation at a time when smoking rates were about 10% higher than they are today. Plus, Carnival struggled with maintaining a 100% non smoking crew.

 

So again I ask, on what cruise ships did they trial non-smoking casinos and they failed?

 

Because all I've seen so far are successes with Celebrity, and now HAL.

 

Using your words "a captive audience", common sense would tell you that if NCL went casino smoke free, me and all other smoking gamblers will take our business to another cruise line that allows it. NCL knows this and that is exactly why they will not change any time soon.

NCL carefully monitors the money in-money out on both sides of the casino and they know their bread and butter comes from people like me.

When I walk through the nonsmoking side of the casino I see lots of empty seats and the ones that are occupied are playing 30-60 cents a spin. When trying to find a seat in the smoking section I see everyone playing max bet from $3 to $7.50 a spin.

Yeah NCL knows where the money comes from and you would be foolish to think otherwise.

Edited December 6, 2016 by Casino Comp Chick

[stickey_mouse]

Can someone please remind me, are there smoking and non-smoking sections in the casino on the newer ships? I'm not asking if they make a difference (we all know it really doesn't), just if they're present.

[Casino Comp Chick]

Can someone please remind me, are there smoking and non-smoking sections in the casino on the newer ships? I'm not asking if they make a difference (we all know it really doesn't), just if they're present.

 

Yes, they are present.

[stickey_mouse]

Yes, they are present.

Can somebody explain to the best of their ability where the (imaginary) divider is on the Getaway?

[LakeWobegon]

I may have maybe smelled smoke once or twice on our cruise last year but "horrible," no. My son is hyper sensitive to smells and never once mentioned anything about it when we walked through the casino to the MDR many times over. If you lingered for awhile when eating at LeBistro, perhaps. Then I would just make sure to eat inside there vs the atrium.

[Two Wheels Only]

...common sense would tell you that if NCL went casino smoke free, me and all other smoking gamblers will take our business to another cruise line that allows it. NCL knows this and that is exactly why they will not change any time soon.

NCL doesn't care about the passengers who smoke. NCL cares about the money that smokers lose in the casino.

 

It's obvious that NCL cares more about income than making smokers happy. Look at the words that they use...

 

"Active Casino players may smoke cigarettes in the Casino during gaming hours."

 

In other words, you can smoke if you're gambling (losing your money).

 

Since smoking is more addictive than gambling (based on studies), it's likely that smokers care more about smoking than they care about the money that they are losing in the casino.

 

Smokers care about smoking. Gambling is a secondary addiction for many of them. An argument could be made that smokers are gambling with their own health...and (unfortunately) the health of those around them.

[Aquahound]

Can somebody explain to the best of their ability where the (imaginary) divider is on the Getaway?

 

Good question because I do not remember a non-smoking section on Escape.

 

Using your words "a captive audience", common sense would tell you that if NCL went casino smoke free, me and all other smoking gamblers will take our business to another cruise line that allows it. NCL knows this and that is exactly why they will not change any time soon.

 

Smokers said that about Celebrity, and it turned out to not be true. Smokers said that about HAL, and it's turning out to not be true. Smokers said that about balconies on every cruise line and it turned out to not be true.

 

This argument has been going on for years. Eventually, smoking will be banned in NCL casinos and the result will be just like every other recent smoking policy change. It'll please the majority and if anything, it'll improve attendance in those areas.

[Casino Comp Chick]

Good question because I do not remember a non-smoking section on Escape.

 

 

 

Smokers said that about Celebrity, and it turned out to not be true. Smokers said that about HAL, and it's turning out to not be true. Smokers said that about balconies on every cruise line and it turned out to not be true.

 

This argument has been going on for years. Eventually, smoking will be banned in NCL casinos and the result will be just like every other recent smoking policy change. It'll please the majority and if anything, it'll improve attendance in those areas.

 

Yeah I am sure NCL cannot wait for more 30 cent betters in their casinos.

[Coastalbreezes]

Good question because I do not remember a non-smoking section on Escape.

 

On Escape the non-smoking section is in the back (aft) with some very good machines and also the machines that line the two entry hallways are non-smoking.

 

Tracy

[stickey_mouse]

Yeah I am sure NCL cannot wait for more 30 cent betters in their casinos.

You lost me with this statement. Are you saying nonsmokers gamble with less money?

 

The way I see it (and I could be completely incorrect) is that the concern of a smoking ban isn't that it would keep smokers out of the casino, but rather that it would curtail their time spent in it-- they would take time off of gambling for smoking breaks and may or may not return. However, I do know that certain people won't step foot in a casino because of the smoke. I'm guessing that the addition of these 'new' gamblers would offset the reduced gambling time of the smokers, making it a wash. In my mind, I think it's more fair to allow the most people to partake and force those who desire to smoke to remove themselves from the area than it is to make the experience miserable for some. I'm not a smoker, but I can't imagine a smoker being miserable just b/c he/she is gambling without a cigarette in hand. Just my $.02 .

[Two Wheels Only]

I'm not a smoker, but I can't imagine a smoker being miserable just b/c he/she is gambling without a cigarette in hand. Just my $.02 .

 

You could try an experiment on your next cruise....

 

 

Walk up to a smoker in the casino and tell him/her "You can smoke here but not gamble."

 

Then walk up to another smoker in the casino and tell him/her "You can gamble here but not smoke."

 

Which person do you think would be more furious with you?:p

(I know the answer)

[stickey_mouse]

You could try an experiment on your next cruise....

 

 

Walk up to a smoker in the casino and tell him/her "You can smoke here but not gamble."

 

Then walk up to another smoker in the casino and tell him/her "You can gamble here but not smoke."

 

Which person do you think would be more furious with you?:p

(I know the answer)

Isn't that a question of which addiction is stronger? Of course they'd be furious. I'd be quite furious if anybody approached me and told me I couldn't do something I thought was permitted. It's an amusing experiment, but not sure it proves anything.

 

My point was that I don't think anybody gambling but not allowed to smoke is automatically miserable because of it, whereas a non-smoker gambling in the presence of secondhand smoke could feasibly be miserable, especially given any health concerns, and might have to leave. Are smokers miserable while watching a show in the main theater? eating dinner in the MDR? That's more my point.

Edited December 7, 2016 by stickey_mouse

[Casino Comp Chick]

Isn't that a question of which addiction is stronger? Of course they'd be furious. I'd be quite furious if anybody approached me and told me I couldn't do something I thought was permitted. It's an amusing experiment, but not sure it proves anything.

 

My point was that I don't think anybody gambling but not allowed to smoke is automatically miserable because of it, whereas a non-smoker gambling in the presence of secondhand smoke could feasibly be miserable, especially given any health concerns, and might have to leave. Are smokers miserable while watching a show in the main theater? eating dinner in the MDR? That's more my point.

 

I dont know, what shows do they have? In fact where is the theatre? I never seem to make it past deck 7 atrium area, oh right, that's the casino.

As far as MDR, I never eat there either but I will have a smoke in the casino between my apps and my entree. I don't bother with desert since the casino is usually calling my name by then.

[stickey_mouse]

I dont know, what shows do they have? In fact where is the theatre? I never seem to make it past deck 7 atrium area, oh right, that's the casino.

As far as MDR, I never eat there either but I will have a smoke in the casino between my apps and my entree. I don't bother with desert since the casino is usually calling my name by then.

Just wondering, do you like the casino?

[Casino Comp Chick]

Just wondering, do you like the casino?

 

Ya think?

 

:D

[jcann4444]

Let me preface by saying that I don't smoke yet I accept it when I go to a casino. I also get comped cruises with regularity by CAS. As to a non smoking pit on the Escape, I have no recollection of it and was on it not too long ago. If you decide to gamble you have to deal with the smoke. At the same time NCL could put doors on the outside of the casino to address the issues.

 

 

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