lenquixote66 Posted March 24, 2019 #1 Share Posted March 24, 2019 Why do they do that ? It is just costing them more because they pay the TA's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CruiserBruce Posted March 24, 2019 #2 Share Posted March 24, 2019 Are you sure? What is your sampling on this? As they don't have to pay a commission if you book with them, your statement doesn't make sense... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenquixote66 Posted March 24, 2019 Author #3 Share Posted March 24, 2019 4 minutes ago, CruiserBruce said: Are you sure? What is your sampling on this? As they don't have to pay a commission if you book with them, your statement doesn't make sense... 4 minutes ago, CruiserBruce said: Are you sure? What is your sampling on this? As they don't have to pay a commission if you book with them, your statement doesn't make sense... 4 minutes ago, CruiserBruce said: Are you sure? What is your sampling on this? As they don't have to pay a commission if you book with them, your statement doesn't make sense... You are making my point. If people book directly with the cruise line the cruise line does not have to pay the TA a commission. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CruiserBruce Posted March 24, 2019 #4 Share Posted March 24, 2019 You totally missed the question...what is your evidence on your statement? 2 minutes ago, lenquixote66 said: You are making my point. If people book directly with the cruise line the cruise line does not have to pay the TA a commission. My feeling is they don't care if you book with a TA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare LHT28 Posted March 24, 2019 #5 Share Posted March 24, 2019 Maybe the cruise line would have to employ/train more people to take the bookings probably at a higher rate than the commssions they pay the TA's Plus there is a higher turnover in the res centre & then they are spending time/money to train new employees JMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenquixote66 Posted March 24, 2019 Author #6 Share Posted March 24, 2019 2 minutes ago, CruiserBruce said: You totally missed the question...what is your evidence on your statement? My feeling is they don't care if you book with a TA. 2 minutes ago, CruiserBruce said: You totally missed the question...what is your evidence on your statement? My feeling is they don't care if you book with a TA. 2 minutes ago, CruiserBruce said: You totally missed the question...what is your evidence on your statement? My feeling is they don't care if you book with a TA. That makes no sense,it costs them money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CruiserBruce Posted March 24, 2019 #7 Share Posted March 24, 2019 6 minutes ago, LHT28 said: Maybe the cruise line would have to employ/train more people to take the bookings probably at a higher rate than the commssions they pay the TA's Plus there is a higher turnover in the res centre & then they are spending time/money to train new employees JMO 4 minutes ago, lenquixote66 said: That makes no sense,it costs them money. The cruise line balances the cost of having more cruise booking employees with the commission they have to pay. Remember both are costs to them, and employees come with benefit costs. If a given cruise line said we will discount if you book with us, or you can only book with us, those are also costs to the cruise line. Thus, they balance between the options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CruiserBruce Posted March 24, 2019 #8 Share Posted March 24, 2019 8 minutes ago, lenquixote66 said: That makes no sense,it costs them money. You still have offered no evidence or logical support for your statements. Is that difficult for you to understand? You made a statement with no support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenquixote66 Posted March 24, 2019 Author #9 Share Posted March 24, 2019 There are millions of unemployed people who would jump at the chance for employment with cruise lines at mininum wage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CruiserBruce Posted March 24, 2019 #10 Share Posted March 24, 2019 Just now, lenquixote66 said: There are millions of unemployed people who would jump at the chance for employment with cruise lines at mininum wage. Again... a statement with no support. In case you missed it, employers can't get enough workers right now. And you want just anyone off the street booking your cruise? Really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenquixote66 Posted March 24, 2019 Author #11 Share Posted March 24, 2019 Just now, CruiserBruce said: You still have offered no evidence your logical support for your statements. Is that difficult for you to understand? You made a statement with no support. I think you do not understand the point I am making .The cruise line has to pay 30 percent for each cruise booked with a TA .Let us say hypothetically that the average cruise is $5000.00 that means they pay $1500.00.An employee working for $10 an hour would cost so much less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CruiserBruce Posted March 24, 2019 #12 Share Posted March 24, 2019 I have never heard of a 30% commission...the most I have heard of is in the low teens. Where are you getting this number? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenquixote66 Posted March 24, 2019 Author #13 Share Posted March 24, 2019 2 minutes ago, CruiserBruce said: Again... a statement with no support. In case you missed it, employers can't get enough workers right now. And you want just anyone off the street booking your cruise? Really? I worked for the Federal Office of the NYS Department of Labor.We were training discharged soldiers who had skills of shooting guns to do work for mininum wage .They were very happy to have employment. The millions of unemployed,many of whom are educated will take any kind of employment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenquixote66 Posted March 24, 2019 Author #14 Share Posted March 24, 2019 1 minute ago, CruiserBruce said: I have never heard of a 30% commission...the most I have heard of is in the low teens. Where are you getting this number? I am getting this number from every TA I have used in the years I have been cruising. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare LHT28 Posted March 24, 2019 #15 Share Posted March 24, 2019 9 minutes ago, lenquixote66 said: I think you do not understand the point I am making .The cruise line has to pay 30 percent for each cruise booked with a TA .Let us say hypothetically that the average cruise is $5000.00 that means they pay $1500.00.An employee working for $10 an hour would cost so much less. not many TA's get 30% let me know who gets that I will apply for a job 🙂 the average is 10-20% & not on the full cruise price so your $5000 cruise only $3500 may earn commission ..just an example figures not accurate 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njhorseman Posted March 24, 2019 #16 Share Posted March 24, 2019 6 minutes ago, lenquixote66 said: I am getting this number from every TA I have used in the years I have been cruising. I owned a travel agency for a number of years. Typically commissions paid by cruise lines were 10 to 20%. Very simply it's cheaper to pay commissions to travel agents than to employ sufficient numbers of in house agents to service all the customers. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenquixote66 Posted March 24, 2019 Author #17 Share Posted March 24, 2019 1 minute ago, njhorseman said: I owned a travel agency for a number of years. Typically commissions paid by cruise lines were 10 to 20%. Very simply it's cheaper to pay commissions to travel agents than to employ sufficient numbers of in house agents to service all the customers. My TA in NYC , RA told me that he got 30 percent from HAL. Another TA ,AA told me 30 percent from Carnival. I assume that this would be a standard amount with all cruise lines and all Travel Agents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capriccio Posted March 24, 2019 #18 Share Posted March 24, 2019 Assumptions can be dangerous. Not to mention believing what others tell you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenquixote66 Posted March 24, 2019 Author #19 Share Posted March 24, 2019 9 minutes ago, capriccio said: Assumptions can be dangerous. Not to mention believing what others tell you. I did not make an assumption. Why would TA's lie about the commission they earn ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njhorseman Posted March 24, 2019 #20 Share Posted March 24, 2019 13 minutes ago, lenquixote66 said: My TA in NYC , RA told me that he got 30 percent from HAL. Another TA ,AA told me 30 percent from Carnival. I assume that this would be a standard amount with all cruise lines and all Travel Agents. No...that would be an unusually high commission. A bad assumption on your part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njhorseman Posted March 24, 2019 #21 Share Posted March 24, 2019 4 minutes ago, lenquixote66 said: That is your choice to want to work for big bucks. With the exception of two years I worked non profit my entire life and was quite happy doing so. You have no idea about what I was saying. At the commission levels we were paid it was difficult to earn a decent living. There's little sense in working 55 hours a week to make next to nothing. I could have made more money flipping burgers at Mickey D's. At 30% I could have made an acceptable living but I certainly wouldn't have gotten rich. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenquixote66 Posted March 24, 2019 Author #22 Share Posted March 24, 2019 I just called a neighbor who is a retired travel agent. He said when he first started out the commission averaged 10 perecent but that he had received as much as 20 percent. I told him that several of the TA's I used said they were getting 30 percent. He believes that it does not seem likely but that it is possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenquixote66 Posted March 24, 2019 Author #23 Share Posted March 24, 2019 11 minutes ago, njhorseman said: You have no idea about what I was saying. At the commission levels we were paid it was difficult to earn a decent living. There's little sense in working 55 hours a week to make next to nothing. I could have made more money flipping burgers at Mickey D's. At 30% I could have made an acceptable living but I certainly wouldn't have gotten rich. 11 minutes ago, njhorseman said: You have no idea about what I was saying. At the commission levels we were paid it was difficult to earn a decent living. There's little sense in working 55 hours a week to make next to nothing. I could have made more money flipping burgers at Mickey D's. At 30% I could have made an acceptable living but I certainly wouldn't have gotten rich. I worked 60 hours a week ,non profit and I was very happy.I did not need luxuries.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njhorseman Posted March 24, 2019 #24 Share Posted March 24, 2019 11 minutes ago, lenquixote66 said: I just called a neighbor who is a retired travel agent. He said when he first started out the commission averaged 10 perecent but that he had received as much as 20 percent. I told him that several of the TA's I used said they were getting 30 percent. He believes that it does not seem likely but that it is possible. Which is exactly what I and others have said. 10 to 20% is typical. 30 is not likely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare LHT28 Posted March 24, 2019 #25 Share Posted March 24, 2019 10 minutes ago, lenquixote66 said: I worked 60 hours a week ,non profit and I was very happy.I did not need luxuries.. some people need to pay bills & buy food glad you did not have that problem you are more fortunate than others trying to make a living & survive but what that has to do with your original post ..not sure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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