Change to RCI smoking policy - effective today

[mohavemommy]

Interesting reading:

http://www.mercurynews.com/breakingnews/ci_7805984

 

Law banning smoking in cars with minors goes into effect Jan. 1

[Captain Jake]

Right, and when your guest says 'I did not smoke in that room - I don't smoke" what does your company do? Do they fine them anyway and lose the business? Of a person that is saying you are clearly mistaken? Because if that is the case I'd like to know the name of your hotel so I don't stay there! Besides, the fine goes on the credit card they use for check in/out and IS easily contestable. As I said, look it up, do a little research on it and you'll see. I think the NY Times did an article on it in the business section last year or so - and it certainly reflected the hospitality industry I know.

Also, when I said drifting into the room, I meant on a cruise ship balcony room. People always mention that smoke was drifting into their rooms from outside and it smelled awful. So I guess your companies thinking is too bad for this type of guest? I hope RCCL isn't like that to me!

The Princess fire wasn't proven to be cause by anything, actually, they beleive it was possible it was a ciggarette. But of all the cruise fires you've heard of, how many were electrical and how many were cigarettes?

I don't smoke, but I just hate hearing all of these chicken little horror stories. Why don't you call your doctor and ask him about your health risks of standing on a balcony with smoke drifting by? Now ask him about living in a city or driving a car or just living in this country and swallowing pollutants all day. Are you this adament about smokestack pollutions and automobiles? You can't just read a study of second hand smoke from 1989 - it was proven to be flawed. Try to read studies from objective sites - its a real eye opener. You inhale much worse toxins all day long then you will walking through the open air deck of the smoking allowed area. Just my opinion.

 

 

But the vast majority of people seek out establishments that take a hard line on smoking thats why its a trend that spreading rapidly.Only a fool would dismiss the hazzards of second hand smoke.I along with other non-smokers know how we feel the next day after an evening exposed to secnd hand smoke..My guess is that you can find a study saying its good for me.While it may not be manatory that a hotel be completely smoke free I expect the room to be

[berwyn]

The corn is popping.

[Happy ks]

Thanks, I appreciate the support.

 

You have my support as well, what a positive reward system you have for yourself. :)

 

When I stopped smoking, I was pregnant so it may have been easier for me than for others, but I had a mantra "I will never smoke another cigarette as long as I live"....and it has worked.

 

I didn't even notice a difference in my health until over a year later and thought it was not a big deal what I had done to myself all those smoking years. Until we went to Las Vegas for a weekend and we were subjected to smoke again, none of our friends or family smoked. Yikes...I was so sick from it and now every time I'm around it for any length of time it takes me a couple of days to recover.

 

I know smokers don't like to read or hear this type of thing, I certainly hated it when I was still a smoker. But it is the absolute truth that they cannot be aware of until they quit themselves. I try my best not to be a pest towards smokers and respect their choice and privacy, so I leave if their smoke is bothering me. It's too bad some of them react to you in a nasty fashion, even when you don't say anything or hold your nose or give any indication at all, they will just make rude remarks towards you as you are leaving their area. I respect them, why can't they do the same for non-smokers?

[mohavemommy]

You have my support as well, what a positive reward system you have for yourself. :)

 

When I stopped smoking, I was pregnant so it may have been easier for me than for others, but I had a mantra "I will never smoke another cigarette as long as I live"....and it has worked.

 

I didn't even notice a difference in my health until over a year later and thought it was not a big deal what I had done to myself all those smoking years. Until we went to Las Vegas for a weekend and we were subjected to smoke again, none of our friends or family smoked. Yikes...I was so sick from it and now every time I'm around it for any length of time it takes me a couple of days to recover.

 

I know smokers don't like to read or hear this type of thing, I certainly hated it when I was still a smoker. But it is the absolute truth that they cannot be aware of until they quit themselves. I try my best not to be a pest towards smokers and respect their choice and privacy, so I leave if their smoke is bothering me. It's too bad some of them react to you in a nasty fashion, even when you don't say anything or hold your nose or give any indication at all, they will just make rude remarks towards you as you are leaving their area. I respect them, why can't they do the same for non-smokers?

Very well said. :) I have had many previous smokers tell me similar things. They just didn't realize how bad it was until they became a non-smoker.

[Captain Jake]

You have my support as well, what a positive reward system you have for yourself. :)

 

When I stopped smoking, I was pregnant so it may have been easier for me than for others, but I had a mantra "I will never smoke another cigarette as long as I live"....and it has worked.

 

I didn't even notice a difference in my health until over a year later and thought it was not a big deal what I had done to myself all those smoking years. Until we went to Las Vegas for a weekend and we were subjected to smoke again, none of our friends or family smoked. Yikes...I was so sick from it and now every time I'm around it for any length of time it takes me a couple of days to recover.

 

I know smokers don't like to read or hear this type of thing, I certainly hated it when I was still a smoker. But it is the absolute truth that they cannot be aware of until they quit themselves. I try my best not to be a pest towards smokers and respect their choice and privacy, so I leave if their smoke is bothering me. It's too bad some of them react to you in a nasty fashion, even when you don't say anything or hold your nose or give any indication at all, they will just make rude remarks towards you as you are leaving their area. I respect them, why can't they do the same for non-smokers?

 

 

We'll said!It's time take smokers realize that non-smokers are the victims!

[luckyprincess]

You have my support as well, what a positive reward system you have for yourself. :)

 

When I stopped smoking, I was pregnant so it may have been easier for me than for others, but I had a mantra "I will never smoke another cigarette as long as I live"....and it has worked.

 

I didn't even notice a difference in my health until over a year later and thought it was not a big deal what I had done to myself all those smoking years. Until we went to Las Vegas for a weekend and we were subjected to smoke again, none of our friends or family smoked. Yikes...I was so sick from it and now every time I'm around it for any length of time it takes me a couple of days to recover.

 

I know smokers don't like to read or hear this type of thing, I certainly hated it when I was still a smoker. But it is the absolute truth that they cannot be aware of until they quit themselves. I try my best not to be a pest towards smokers and respect their choice and privacy, so I leave if their smoke is bothering me. It's too bad some of them react to you in a nasty fashion, even when you don't say anything or hold your nose or give any indication at all, they will just make rude remarks towards you as you are leaving their area. I respect them, why can't they do the same for non-smokers?

Good for you. I'm sure its very difficult to stop smoking. Wow - what rude remarks did smokers make when you quietly left? Did you just get up from the smoking area and go to the exit? Why would anyone make a remark if someone got up? Wouldn't they assume you were going to the bathroom or something? That just seems weird to me. I left a casino near a table when I was the only non smoker - the air was just so thick! I cashed out and got up and went to the slots. But noone said anything and I don't even think they knew I was leaving due to the smoke. I guess if I had said something like "ugh, I can't take the smoke" and left they would know. I don't think you can say that you can generalize smokers with nasty remarks. If someone is going to make a rude remark to someone that walks past them (they didn't know you left because of smoke) then thats just a nasty person. Prejudging a group due to a nasty person in it is a bad habit to get into.

Its a great gift to give your children to improve your health in every way when they come into your life. Its also good for them to see that you can be strong enough to quit bad habits and stick with it. Good job!

And great job to you, too, Sue!

[lovetocruiserccl]

You don't know what rules and/or penalties RCI has put into effect for the room stewards and crew. If the next person in the room complains about linens and furniture that smells like smoke they will know the room steward didn't do his job. The fine can be added to the credit card after the room has been inspected.

 

I'm sure they clean the linens before the next people come in,

[Happy ks]

Good for you. I'm sure its very difficult to stop smoking. Wow - what rude remarks did smokers make when you quietly left? Did you just get up from the smoking area and go to the exit? Why would anyone make a remark if someone got up? Wouldn't they assume you were going to the bathroom or something? That just seems weird to me. I left a casino near a table when I was the only non smoker - the air was just so thick! I cashed out and got up and went to the slots. But noone said anything and I don't even think they knew I was leaving due to the smoke. I guess if I had said something like "ugh, I can't take the smoke" and left they would know. I don't think you can say that you can generalize smokers with nasty remarks. If someone is going to make a rude remark to someone that walks past them (they didn't know you left because of smoke) then thats just a nasty person. Prejudging a group due to a nasty person in it is a bad habit to get into.

Its a great gift to give your children to improve your health in every way when they come into your life. Its also good for them to see that you can be strong enough to quit bad habits and stick with it. Good job!

And great job to you, too, Sue!

 

I just don't know why people have to be nasty to each other. And...you're right, they would have had no idea why I was leaving the area, they must just be on the defense and have their dukes up to anyone :rolleyes:

 

My kids are now 19 and 16 and neither has smoked (thankfully) and I do hope they never start. I firmly believe that our choice to stop and bring them up in a clean, smoke-free environment has been a positive influence so far.

 

I have two friends where there are parent smokers in the home, both of them have teen smokers even though the smoking parent always smoked outside. Both of them begged their kids not to start.

[Sue L]

I just don't know why people have to be nasty to each other. And...you're right, they would have had no idea why I was leaving the area, they must just be on the defense and have their dukes up to anyone :rolleyes:

 

My kids are now 19 and 16 and neither has smoked (thankfully) and I do hope they never start. I firmly believe that our choice to stop and bring them up in a clean, smoke-free environment has been a positive influence so far.

 

I have two friends where there are parent smokers in the home, both of them have teen smokers even though the smoking parent always smoked outside. Both of them begged their kids not to start.

 

 

Thanks for the nice comments Happy, I really do appreciate all the support I have been getting on here. I am amazed at all the different people on here who have mentioned that they are too in the process of quitting. Today I found two more. Just having my count UP clock in my signature has started a lot of conversations. I think we need to have a support group on the boards like they do for losing weight. :p

[dirtgirl]

Thanks for the nice comments Happy, I really do appreciate all the support I have been getting on here. I am amazed at all the different people on here who have mentioned that they are too in the process of quitting. Today I found two more. Just having my count UP clock in my signature has started a lot of conversations. I think we need to have a support group on the boards like they do for losing weight. :p

 

 

That would be a great idea, Sue!

[Sue L]

quote=dirtgirl;12845934]That would be a great idea, Sue!

 

I just emailed the mods to see if it could be added.

[coffeebean]

Your free pass is approved, but just this one time! :D

 

My DW and I are both "Evil Smokers" but we obey the rules and are courteous to our non-smoking cruising friends. :D

 

We will sail on the Radiance in about two weeks and I will report back to you what happens to us on our balcony with this new policy. After repeated requests, I have not received a reply from RCI on how to dispose of our cigarette butts in the cabin. We know not to throw them into the Ocean or flush them down the toilet. This leaves only putting them in the trash can in the cabin.

 

We are wondering if someone in RCI will use "butts in the trash can" to accuse us of smoking in the cabin and charge us the $250 fee. Many non smokers have told me that the "butts in the trash can" will "stink up" the room almost as bad as smoking in the room.

 

I will let you all know what happens when we return from the cruise.

 

I quit smoking three years ago Jan 1st after absolutely loving every cigarette I smoked for 35 years. I still love the smell of a lit cigarette.

 

Anyway... if the only place to smoke in the passenger cabin area is the balcony, I would hope passengers could request a "special" cigarette recepticle which encloses the used cigarettes. Hopefully this recepticle could be kept on the balcony. If all RCCL supplies is an open ashtray, then the stateroom attendant should empy it with each service that is provided for the stateroom.

 

Back in the day when I smoked only on our balcony, the stateroom attendant emptied the ashtray with each service of the stateroom. It worked out well. I never did smoke in my cabin as DH, a non smoker, prohibited it.

[Tra4]

We'll said!It's time take smokers realize that non-smokers are the victims!

 

Thats been my point before. I really don't mind if people smoke in their own homes or outside, but when it directly affects others who become sick from it, then the rules should be followed. Similar to drunk driving, why should others be at risk for your actions?

 

Sue, and others who have quit, A huge congratulations on your success. My brother-in-law has an asthmatic son which is what made him quit. Doing inhaler treatments on a 3 year old was too much for him to do.

[amybear912]

quote=dirtgirl;12845934]That would be a great idea, Sue!

 

I just emailed the mods to see if it could be added.

 

 

Keep me informed Sue... I'm seeing the doc about that Chantrix stuff to see if it would be appropriate for me... When the time comes, I'll want all the support I can get... and this would be a great place to get support while we quit and plan those first non-smoking cruises... You and FitzLA have been a real inspiration to me the last couple of months... Keep it up... I suspect the worst is over for you now! Nothing left to do but plan all those extra cruises you can afford now that you are a non-smoker... :)

[jandjfun]

I am not, and have never been, a smoker. As an R.N. for forty years, I have taken care of so many patients, I guess, who have been hospitalized because of the results of their smoking, many very wonderful people who did not survive to cruise or enjoy their loved ones. I applaud anyone who manages to stop smoking and I realize what a difficult task that can be.

 

Some people cannot afford a balcony cabin when they cruise and, for smokers, I think it is very hard to go to a starboard outside deck, in the middle of the night if you wake up and want a cigarette. I don't know what the solution should be.

 

I live in California and I love it. We are more and more a smoke free state. There is no smoking even in bars.

Well thank God nobody in the bar will die from 2nd hand smoke! Of course since they probably didn't walk to the bar, they will now be drinking and driving. But that's Ok becuase we all know that nobody has ever been hurt or killed by a drunk driver.

[coffeebean]

Nobody will rat anybody out, except the smoker themselves. On a recent bridge tour on the Navigator I was surprised to learn that the bridge is alerted to any smoke in any cabin. A computer screen revealed several cabins where smoke was present. It was a little funny seeing this as I could imagine the smoker thinking there was no way anyone would know they were smoking in the cabin. The question is will Royal use this technology to enforce their new rules. I suspect not!

 

 

RG10203

 

How does the smoke detection equipment on the bridge distinguish what type of smoke is in any given cabin??? Can it discern if it is cigarette smoke vs other smoke???

[above sea level cruiser]

I never did read the whole thread - But I do find it amazing at the number of respondents that actually have a brain.

[amybear912]

RG10203

 

How does the smoke detection equipment on the bridge distinguish what type of smoke is in any given cabin??? Can it discern if it is cigarette smoke vs other smoke???

 

 

I don't think it distinguishes between the kind of smoke present, more that there IS smoke present...

 

We smoked in our cabin once on a cruise a few years ago and were quite surprised at how sensitive their system is... At the time, only DH was smoking, he had just lit up and the smoke detector went off and our steward had to come and shut it off for us... we never smoked in our cabin again...

 

My mother once set hers off after getting out of a very steamy shower...

[NavigatorT5]

Right, and when your guest says 'I did not smoke in that room - I don't smoke" what does your company do? Do they fine them anyway and lose the business? Of a person that is saying you are clearly mistaken? Because if that is the case I'd like to know the name of your hotel so I don't stay there! Besides, the fine goes on the credit card they use for check in/out and IS easily contestable. As I said, look it up, do a little research on it and you'll see. I think the NY Times did an article on it in the business section last year or so - and it certainly reflected the hospitality industry I know.

Also, when I said drifting into the room, I meant on a cruise ship balcony room. People always mention that smoke was drifting into their rooms from outside and it smelled awful. So I guess your companies thinking is too bad for this type of guest? I hope RCCL isn't like that to me!

The Princess fire wasn't proven to be cause by anything, actually, they beleive it was possible it was a ciggarette. But of all the cruise fires you've heard of, how many were electrical and how many were cigarettes?

I don't smoke, but I just hate hearing all of these chicken little horror stories. Why don't you call your doctor and ask him about your health risks of standing on a balcony with smoke drifting by? Now ask him about living in a city or driving a car or just living in this country and swallowing pollutants all day. Are you this adament about smokestack pollutions and automobiles? You can't just read a study of second hand smoke from 1989 - it was proven to be flawed. Try to read studies from objective sites - its a real eye opener. You inhale much worse toxins all day long then you will walking through the open air deck of the smoking allowed area. Just my opinion.

No one ever disputes the charge, We have never had an issue telling weather a room was smoked in or not. The odor doesnt stick if its not continually done, and heck many people may have gotten away with it because they where smart enough to vent the room, or not leave evidence of thier smoking in the room. I am the one who usually is the smellerator, and I havent ever mistaked a room for being smoked in personally, usually its an easy thing to tell, Smoked in like a chimney vs a open balcony door with the smell wafting through.

 

 

Regardless of how we apply the fee ect. The whole its bad for you thing may be disproved or whatever (and I still cant imagine its good for you anyways), but it still doesn't smell good and until they make it smell like glade plug ins, I think you'll be hard pressed to find a non smoker who wants to smell the odor that cigarettes give off, let alone breathe it in.

 

I also am aware that the air isn't perfect, but is it really a good idea to make it worse? Exhaust smells bad and cows fart ect, but how much of it do you actually smell? I mean unless you crawl around on the ground by highways, I don't think people are going to be as heavily effected by car emissions, vs sitting in a lounge filled with cigarette smoke.

 

I am also one of those prudes who believes smoking has no use and no one should smoke anyways, but some people like to argue it some how does something good for them, however alcohol isnt good for you either, but I really cant complain about it, since people having a wine or a beer on their balconies doesn't make the cabins or bars they are at reek of alcohol, nor do I think in any restaurant's(no smoking) have I ever herd some one say "it reeks of alcohol in here"

 

Sooooo case in point, it does effect other people, it doesn't have a use or health benefit, and it inst something done stealth like drinking where it can go unnoticed to the nose. So I still say, if you can save the money for a cruise, you can "relax" without a cigarette, since I never seen a medical journal say its a clinically proven way to relax, VS say a message.

[Cruising89143]

Thanks for the nice comments Happy, I really do appreciate all the support I have been getting on here. I am amazed at all the different people on here who have mentioned that they are too in the process of quitting. Today I found two more. Just having my count UP clock in my signature has started a lot of conversations. I think we need to have a support group on the boards like they do for losing weight. :p

 

Sue, congrats and keep it going. You're doing great.:)

[Sue L]

Sue, congrats and keep it going. You're doing great.:)

 

 

Thanks very much!!

[Tra4]

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Well thank God nobody in the bar will die from 2nd hand smoke! Of course since they probably didn't walk to the bar, they will now be drinking and driving. But that's Ok becuase we all know that nobody has ever been hurt or killed by a drunk driver.

 

Yes, many have died of drunk driving, that is why it is illegal. Seems to me that Christopher Reeves wife died of lung cancer (who never smoked) but played in smokey clubs which contributed to her death. So yes, people do die of 2nd hand smoke. Drunk driving is illegal, kills others, so does 2nd hand smoke. You do the math!

[Hondu]

And those non-smokers who are chapping their hands applauding might not be so gleeful when they try to use their balconies and have smoking neighbors.:(

 

Really doesn't matter because prior to the policy most non-smokers could not use the balcony anyway due to smokers with the attitude that they paid too.

[cruisegirl]

While I'm looking forward to dealing with less smoking on the Brilliance, I am concerned about the option to smoke on the balcony. I've experienced that before and for a non-smoker it makes being on your balcony very difficult. I think I'd just as soon people be allowed to smoke in their rooms!