Carnival Pride Accident investigation

This is not recent.

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Obviously the incident wasn't recent, but the NTSB accident report was just issued. !!

https://www.ntsb.gov/investigations/AccidentReports/Reports/MAB1706.pdf

Obviously the incident wasn't recent, but the NTSB accident report was just issued. !!

 

 

 

https://www.ntsb.gov/investigations/AccidentReports/Reports/MAB1706.pdf

Nothing earth shaking here, just an officer inexperienced with approach to this dock. An example of why and how simulator training is very effective.

Nothing earth shaking here, just an officer inexperienced with approach to this dock. An example of why and how simulator training is very effective.

https://www.voyagereport.com/news/ntsb-speed-human-error-blamed-for-cruise-ship-collision/:eek:

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Very interesting read. It gave great detail of the incident.

I even learned a new nautical term, allision.

Thanks for posting the link.

Cheng, are there many ports where the pilots turn over the conn to a staff captain?

I'll let the King Pointer talk to the civilian side. Navy ships never turn the conn over to pilots. A Conning Officer always issues the orders to the Helm, even if the Pilot is the one issuing the orders...and as a professional Mariner, you'd be foolish to ignore a competent Harbor Pilot. On the few occasion when we disregarded a Pilots orders, we fully complied with his intent. In every case, it was due to a pilot overseas who didn't understand how much power he really had available with a cruiser or destroyer engineering plant with all 4 engines on line.

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delete the last portion of the link / eek:

King Pointer? Any relation to the Kings Pointer, formerly the Liberty Star?

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Mine too,

Cheng, are there many ports where the pilots turn over the conn to a staff captain?

The Staff Captain is a licensed unlimited Master, just like the Captain, typically the only difference is that he is generally less experienced, particularly with the ship serving on at the time. Cruise ship Captains typically handle the controls (helm, throttle, thrusters) while docking under the pilot's orders (conn), and frequently "interpret" the pilot's orders before complying. Actually turning over the conn is somewhat common, but I don't know if there are more ports where "agreements" are in place.

On the NCL ships in Hawaii, both the Captain and the Staff Captain have full pilotage for the ports, and the ships never take pilots. They also have a simulator console/monitor onboard so that the officers could practice approaches, docking and undocking using various combinations of propulsion, steering, and thrusters to simulate problems and weather conditions.

King Pointer? Any relation to the Kings Pointer, formerly the Liberty Star?

The ex-Liberty Star is the current training vessel Kings Pointer at the USMMA. The PP was using the term "Kings Pointer" to refer to me, an alumnus.

We were at the port in Baltimore waiting to embark the morning this happened. It was amazing that no one got hurt. I took some pretty cool pictures.

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Go to the home page and the article is there on the left...second one down. That link opens.

Nothing new. Most people already guessed it that the person in charge, failed the parking test section and was allowed to drive the ship and ultimately crashed a ship, into the dock. :D

I'm sure that someone got fired for this one.

I'll let the King Pointer talk to the civilian side. Navy ships never turn the conn over to pilots. A Conning Officer always issues the orders to the Helm, even if the Pilot is the one issuing the orders...and as a professional Mariner, you'd be foolish to ignore a competent Harbor Pilot. On the few occasion when we disregarded a Pilots orders, we fully complied with his intent. In every case, it was due to a pilot overseas who didn't understand how much power he really had available with a cruiser or destroyer engineering plant with all 4 engines on line.

The Staff Captain is a licensed unlimited Master, just like the Captain, typically the only difference is that he is generally less experienced, particularly with the ship serving on at the time. Cruise ship Captains typically handle the controls (helm, throttle, thrusters) while docking under the pilot's orders (conn), and frequently "interpret" the pilot's orders before complying. Actually turning over the conn is somewhat common, but I don't know if there are more ports where "agreements" are in place.

 

On the NCL ships in Hawaii, both the Captain and the Staff Captain have full pilotage for the ports, and the ships never take pilots. They also have a simulator console/monitor onboard so that the officers could practice approaches, docking and undocking using various combinations of propulsion, steering, and thrusters to simulate problems and weather conditions.

Thanks to both of you! I have a photo of oldest son at the conn on his destroyer a few years ago (not docking) - a very pensive look on his face. His CO was standing directly behind him, as it turns out.;)

Does anyone know who the Captain & Staff Captains were on this voyage ?